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Quote from: Questat on September 30, 2024, 12:15:21 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 29, 2024, 11:38:30 PM

It's not the only reason though, if you will have to research, the Philippines, is in the grey area as far as (FATF Financial Action Task Force), which means we are being considered to be one of those countries that facilitates money laundering through gambling and so we have been under this watchful eyes of this financial watch dogs and for sure the current President Marcos wanted to this to erase.

We are one of those nations, together with Malta or Gibraltar which we know issues licenses to online gambling platform. Maybe believed, that online gambling is one avenue for criminals to launder money, and it could also include crimes like human trafficking, or even illegal drugs and uses this online platform to wash their money. Of course, the Philippines is making money from tax, but I haven't seen exact numbers so there is a dispute amongst Filipinos if it really benefited us or not.

That would have a big effect on our country, as it might stop other countries from lending to us. They usually base their decision on a nation’s financial status and peace and order. So, if operations continue, it will tarnish our country’s image. And if we can’t borrow, there won’t be anything left for the corrupt politicians to pocket.

They will also take that into consideration, if the Philippines, with the war on drugs of the previous administration and then now the POGO that the current administration inherit, the Philippines might not be in the good standing as far as other countries on any world organization as far as lending them money for reconstruction.

Also the political landscape in the Philippines is one of the things that investors are looking at. Although it is one of the best nation as far as BPO business is, but still if they have a bad image from gambling and drugs, it might be very difficult for the country to recover, thus, banning POGO is a good decision.

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Quote from: Questat on September 30, 2024, 12:15:21 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 29, 2024, 11:38:30 PM

It's not the only reason though, if you will have to research, the Philippines, is in the grey area as far as (FATF Financial Action Task Force), which means we are being considered to be one of those countries that facilitates money laundering through gambling and so we have been under this watchful eyes of this financial watch dogs and for sure the current President Marcos wanted to this to erase.

We are one of those nations, together with Malta or Gibraltar which we know issues licenses to online gambling platform. Maybe believed, that online gambling is one avenue for criminals to launder money, and it could also include crimes like human trafficking, or even illegal drugs and uses this online platform to wash their money. Of course, the Philippines is making money from tax, but I haven't seen exact numbers so there is a dispute amongst Filipinos if it really benefited us or not.

That would have a big effect on our country, as it might stop other countries from lending to us. They usually base their decision on a nation’s financial status and peace and order. So, if operations continue, it will tarnish our country’s image. And if we can’t borrow, there won’t be anything left for the corrupt politicians to pocket.

Maybe the reason why those people behind this business manage to facilatate inside our country, they play behind the law and manage to control those corrupt officials to make money inside the country, those corrupt individual don't bother to think about the benefits of many but they more on their own self benefits.

It affects the nation in terms of trust but corrupt officials don't care about that, as long as they can collect what the promise collection for them then it will continue.

Let see if every single pogo will be close or just for those who are being eyed and those that's not under the radar or have a blessing of another corrupt politicians will continue to do business.

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Quote from: ImThour on September 29, 2024, 01:11:46 PM

Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling. The addiction is true and can take years to get rid of. But it shouldn't be a decision of a government if one wants to gamble or not. Should be in the hand of the user itself, like where's the freedom or rights? Let's hope they will find a way to bet on their fav team. Cheesy

I believe the Filipino people are largely unaffected by the Philippine government’s decision to ban illegal POGOs, as the activities primarily involve foreigners. The ban is a response to the rising crime rate, where both the victims and suspects are predominantly foreigners.

I don't know, but is there a possibility that there are some Filipino people working on POGOs? If that's the case, then they're the ones that will be mostly affected because with POGOs getting banned, they will not have work anymore.

Possible, but so far when I'm playing online, I haven't seen any Filipinos though, usually it's from countries like Latvia. So we really don't know if there are Filipinos working in from or from behind.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 30, 2024, 02:36:05 AM

Our president already banned POGOs and for me, it's a good move knowing that we've seen how many of these POGOs are treating their people very badly. We've seen reports of people being tortured under these POGO hubs. As for online gambling in general, not all of them will be banned because there are still some online gambling casinos out there that are registered hence, they will continue their services. The only ones that will be banned are those illegal ones, but I doubt that all of these illegal online gambling casinos will be banned.

Of course, the current President hands are tied and he can't do anything but to ban POGO as it has not only highlighted locally, but from the whole world. And again, he doesn't want his country in the middle of all this gambling and AML or terrorism or money laundering. So it's really good to hear that the country of Philippines are going to ban this POGO for good.

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Quote from: Questat on September 30, 2024, 12:15:21 AM

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That would have a big effect on our country, as it might stop other countries from lending to us. They usually base their decision on a nation’s financial status and peace and order. So, if operations continue, it will tarnish our country’s image. And if we can’t borrow, there won’t be anything left for the corrupt politicians to pocket.

Lenders, specially those who lend enough money to finance huge projects in developing countries like Philippines usually want to know whether the conditions of the country are such which allow the nation to pay back, plus the accorded interest rates. There are lender out there which are cynical enough for them not to care whether there is much of an underground or illegal economy within the country which borrows, as long as they keep the terms of the contract intact.
Venezuela, my beloved country, is a good example of it. We are a poor developing country with oil and some gold as only solid colateral, there are still organizations (from the east side of the world) which are willing to lend us money (at higher interest rates than the west and their more stable countries).

So even if the government of Philippines continues to harbor gambling and money laundering, big lenders won't care, as long as they can profit off the country. It is sad, but it is a reality, lenders do not have moral compass.

We don't know exactly how they judge the situation, but here’s what's hapenning...

Banks are supervised by the central bank, like in the Philippines, where they are chaired by the governor of Central bank, with its members the the Commissioner of the Insurance Commission (IC) and the Chairperson of the SEC.. So, you see the cycle. If other countries have a similar setup, financial institutions generally dislike lending to countries that are hubs for scams and where money laundering is rampant.

From an individual perspective, if I were to borrow money from a bank, they would conduct a character investigation aside from assessing my capacity to pay. So, I need to pass both to get my loan application approved.

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Quote from: Questat on September 30, 2024, 12:15:21 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 29, 2024, 11:38:30 PM

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That would have a big effect on our country, as it might stop other countries from lending to us. They usually base their decision on a nation’s financial status and peace and order. So, if operations continue, it will tarnish our country’s image. And if we can’t borrow, there won’t be anything left for the corrupt politicians to pocket.

Lenders, specially those who lend enough money to finance huge projects in developing countries like Philippines usually want to know whether the conditions of the country are such which allow the nation to pay back, plus the accorded interest rates. There are lender out there which are cynical enough for them not to care whether there is much of an underground or illegal economy within the country which borrows, as long as they keep the terms of the contract intact.
Venezuela, my beloved country, is a good example of it. We are a poor developing country with oil and some gold as only solid colateral, there are still organizations (from the east side of the world) which are willing to lend us money (at higher interest rates than the west and their more stable countries).

So even if the government of Philippines continues to harbor gambling and money laundering, big lenders won't care, as long as they can profit off the country. It is sad, but it is a reality, lenders do not have moral compass.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on July 03, 2024, 06:16:09 AM

This has to be due to something related to taxation of POGOs. Government there does collect taxes but maybe they are not coughing up enough need to cover it. Due to this they are attempting to ban them. These things are often temporary and they will try to reestablish legal operations soon after some bribery to pay off this. Eventually they will move to illegal operations to continue the flow of money.

Nothing much we can do about it, for addicted gamblers who might feel bad, they will just use casinos other then ones by POGOs. Laws like these only make the news, eventually they get changed. So keep calm and continue playing.

I was about to say this too, it is always about the money any nothing else, the casinos aren't paying enough money to run their businesses it seems, because other countries are even boasting that casinos did a lot to their country's development, the U.S is one of them, Las Vegas is Raking in some good funds every month so it is obvious that no law can stop that business.

Governments will pretend that they are doing the best for their citizens, I bet that's what the Philippines Senator will be referring to right now, for the sake of the people, but it is all a cover up, better excuse than saying that casinos aren't ready to cough up enough money.

As for the few saying that this is an illegal gambling operation or something wrong with POGO on the inside, here is my question, is POGO the only casino operating in the Philippines? Whatever the problem that the government have with POGO should be on POGO only, this is why I don't believe this, I believe there is more to this story than we know, maybe almost all casinos in the country are running illegally?

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 29, 2024, 08:40:13 PM

Quote from: ImThour on September 29, 2024, 01:11:46 PM

Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling. The addiction is true and can take years to get rid of. But it shouldn't be a decision of a government if one wants to gamble or not. Should be in the hand of the user itself, like where's the freedom or rights? Let's hope they will find a way to bet on their fav team. Cheesy

I believe the Filipino people are largely unaffected by the Philippine government’s decision to ban illegal POGOs, as the activities primarily involve foreigners. The ban is a response to the rising crime rate, where both the victims and suspects are predominantly foreigners.

I don't know, but is there a possibility that there are some Filipino people working on POGOs? If that's the case, then they're the ones that will be mostly affected because with POGOs getting banned, they will not have work anymore.

Our president already banned POGOs and for me, it's a good move knowing that we've seen how many of these POGOs are treating their people very badly. We've seen reports of people being tortured under these POGO hubs. As for online gambling in general, not all of them will be banned because there are still some online gambling casinos out there that are registered hence, they will continue their services. The only ones that will be banned are those illegal ones, but I doubt that all of these illegal online gambling casinos will be banned.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 29, 2024, 11:38:30 PM

It's not the only reason though, if you will have to research, the Philippines, is in the grey area as far as (FATF Financial Action Task Force), which means we are being considered to be one of those countries that facilitates money laundering through gambling and so we have been under this watchful eyes of this financial watch dogs and for sure the current President Marcos wanted to this to erase.

We are one of those nations, together with Malta or Gibraltar which we know issues licenses to online gambling platform. Maybe believed, that online gambling is one avenue for criminals to launder money, and it could also include crimes like human trafficking, or even illegal drugs and uses this online platform to wash their money. Of course, the Philippines is making money from tax, but I haven't seen exact numbers so there is a dispute amongst Filipinos if it really benefited us or not.

That would have a big effect on our country, as it might stop other countries from lending to us. They usually base their decision on a nation’s financial status and peace and order. So, if operations continue, it will tarnish our country’s image. And if we can’t borrow, there won’t be anything left for the corrupt politicians to pocket.

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Quote from: ImThour on September 29, 2024, 01:11:46 PM

Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling. The addiction is true and can take years to get rid of. But it shouldn't be a decision of a government if one wants to gamble or not. Should be in the hand of the user itself, like where's the freedom or rights? Let's hope they will find a way to bet on their fav team. Cheesy

I believe the Filipino people are largely unaffected by the Philippine government’s decision to ban illegal POGOs, as the activities primarily involve foreigners. The ban is a response to the rising crime rate, where both the victims and suspects are predominantly foreigners.

It's not the only reason though, if you will have to research, the Philippines, is in the grey area as far as (FATF Financial Action Task Force), which means we are being considered to be one of those countries that facilitates money laundering through gambling and so we have been under this watchful eyes of this financial watch dogs and for sure the current President Marcos wanted to this to erase.

We are one of those nations, together with Malta or Gibraltar which we know issues licenses to online gambling platform. Maybe believed, that online gambling is one avenue for criminals to launder money, and it could also include crimes like human trafficking, or even illegal drugs and uses this online platform to wash their money. Of course, the Philippines is making money from tax, but I haven't seen exact numbers so there is a dispute amongst Filipinos if it really benefited us or not.

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It is difficult if that is related to the corrupt officials because they can arrange the bill with the other so it seems they protect their people who involve with the business but it could trap other people who do it. I think the government need to change the bill or the policy and will do something strictly to those who corrupt and not just banning POGO.
I don't know the situation for real but if the bill is release and seems not unfair, there may be interest from several parties behind who want to protect their business. The government should watch their officials and make sure that they can work with honest and will catch every corrupt officials.
But that will not easy as it seems their work can organize better so no one will know for sure. Banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will not solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country because people will trying to gambling in underground casino which will many more corrupt officials involved.

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 29, 2024, 12:42:17 PM

There are still good gambling site among those who were banned, but this is the government cleaning the mess they too contributed to. I have felt the impact of corruption before and I must say, no form of corruption strives without the help of the corrupt government officials.

I hope there is some good ones, but considering they're operated by the Chinese, they’re probably the same group running it under different company names. This case became more controversial due to Alice Guo being accused of possibly being a Chinese spy, so it’s not just about illegal gambling operators or whatever scams are happening inside POGO.

It’s still a hot topic in the Philippines since Congress and the Senate are investigating it endlessly, as if it’s the only issue in the country. I’m not sure why this case seems never-ending; they’re supposed to investigate in aid of legislation, but how is the public actually benefiting from this?

Quote from: ImThour on September 29, 2024, 01:11:46 PM

Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling.

They don’t cater to Filipino gamblers, as most of their clients are likely from China and neighboring countries.

However, the government is losing out on tax revenue, but they have no choice since crimes associated with these POGO hubs have been on the rise.

Quote from: https://www.philstar.com/business/2023/07/21/2282767/tax-revenues-pogos-more-doubled-2022

Data sent by the Department of Finance to Philstar.com on Friday showed that total tax revenues reaped from POGOs skyrocketed 127% year-on-year to P8.878 billion in 2022. This was significantly larger compared to the P3.91 billion raked in back in 2021.

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Quote from: ImThour on September 29, 2024, 01:11:46 PM

Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling. The addiction is true and can take years to get rid of. But it shouldn't be a decision of a government if one wants to gamble or not. Should be in the hand of the user itself, like where's the freedom or rights? Let's hope they will find a way to bet on their fav team. Cheesy

I believe the Filipino people are largely unaffected by the Philippine government’s decision to ban illegal POGOs, as the activities primarily involve foreigners. The ban is a response to the rising crime rate, where both the victims and suspects are predominantly foreigners.

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Damn, this is a hard decision for people of Philippines but on the other hand, it can also save money of them from a drug called Gambling. The addiction is true and can take years to get rid of. But it shouldn't be a decision of a government if one wants to gamble or not. Should be in the hand of the user itself, like where's the freedom or rights? Let's hope they will find a way to bet on their fav team. Cheesy

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 29, 2024, 12:42:17 PM

You are right, I am not from Philippines and cannot really say much about the level of corruption in Philippines. Alot have been said here about the POGOs and the government and I still maintain that it is impossible for this group to have carried out these criminal activities alone. The government gave them that enabling environment to strive. Right now, they are only realising that everything has gone out proportion that is why they are banning all forms of online gambling instead of regulating the system.

There are still good gambling site among those who were banned, but this is the government cleaning the mess they too contributed to. I have felt the impact of corruption before and I must say, no form of corruption strives without the help of the corrupt government officials.

For any criminal activity to grow to the magnitude we have seen with these POGOs, the government and the police must be involved, since it is impossible for such a growth to not bring unwanted attention, it is only now that things seem to have gotten out of control that the government wants to do something to stop it, but even if a law was passed against it, not much will change if the same corrupt officials are in charge of applying the law.

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If these POGOs were able to successfully carryout their criminal operations all these while without the government knowing because there was no transparency, then the government too is partly at fault for not monitoring the activities of this gambling sites thoroughly. They are only trying to cleanup their mess now by dragging some of these innocent gambling sites which they have banned into the mess they neglected.

Just as OP has said, a proper regulation and a gambling monitoring policy would be better than an outright ban. Right now, all parties are affected; the gamblers, the online gambling sites and even the government who would no longer be getting revenue from these sites.

You have no idea how massive corruption is in the Philippines. It’s not about the laws themselves; the issue lies in their implementation. These POGO operators may be paying bribes to government officials—they're essentially a syndicate. One person currently on trial is Alice Gou, who was a mayor of a city with some POGO operations. She reportedly has billions of pesos, which can't be justified by her salary, as she doesn't even earn 1 million pesos per month. And just recently, there was a revelation about a mastermind behind all of this. So really, it’s a big syndicate, and if the corruption comes from within the government, how can they properly regulate them?

and now she claimed that she was only a victim.

'I'm a victim,' Alice Guo says as she denies masterminding POGOs

You are right, I am not from Philippines and cannot really say much about the level of corruption in Philippines. Alot have been said here about the POGOs and the government and I still maintain that it is impossible for this group to have carried out these criminal activities alone. The government gave them that enabling environment to strive. Right now, they are only realising that everything has gone out proportion that is why they are banning all forms of online gambling instead of regulating the system.

There are still good gambling site among those who were banned, but this is the government cleaning the mess they too contributed to. I have felt the impact of corruption before and I must say, no form of corruption strives without the help of the corrupt government officials.

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 28, 2024, 05:04:24 PM

If these POGOs were able to successfully carryout their criminal operations all these while without the government knowing because there was no transparency, then the government too is partly at fault for not monitoring the activities of this gambling sites thoroughly. They are only trying to cleanup their mess now by dragging some of these innocent gambling sites which they have banned into the mess they neglected.

Just as OP has said, a proper regulation and a gambling monitoring policy would be better than an outright ban. Right now, all parties are affected; the gamblers, the online gambling sites and even the government who would no longer be getting revenue from these sites.

You have no idea how massive corruption is in the Philippines. It’s not about the laws themselves; the issue lies in their implementation. These POGO operators may be paying bribes to government officials—they're essentially a syndicate. One person currently on trial is Alice Gou, who was a mayor of a city with some POGO operations. She reportedly has billions of pesos, which can't be justified by her salary, as she doesn't even earn 1 million pesos per month. And just recently, there was a revelation about a mastermind behind all of this. So really, it’s a big syndicate, and if the corruption comes from within the government, how can they properly regulate them?

and now she claimed that she was only a victim.

'I'm a victim,' Alice Guo says as she denies masterminding POGOs

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Quote from: shasan on September 22, 2024, 12:33:18 PM

Quote from: AbuBhakar on September 01, 2024, 07:29:12 AM

Corruption aside, Some tax gained on POGO was distributed to the national funds which is use by different sector that helps citizens. I think POGO in general is good because it gives revenue to our country but the only problem is poor regulations on this business that’s why it’s commonly use for illegal transactions which is not related to POGO anymore.

Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.

Corruption is always bad and it should not be tolerated able by any means. I think if POGO is corrupted but provided tax to the national funds I do not still think that they should tolerateable hence the should be faced judgment as bad and good things can't move by parallel.

Hence, as much as POGO shouldn't exist anymore, then these corrupt politicians should not be tolerated as well. They will eventually stop their modus operations if the source itself like POGO won't be here any longer. So I'm actually more on the positive side that without POGO, there will be less corruption on the government, and this money laundering and trafficking will somehow be controlled as well, since it will be hardly impossible to be completely gone in a government.

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There is a lot of money coming in from the POGOs, but they have more negatives than positives in terms of the amount of benefits that are happening. More and more people could become victims because of it and it just makes the world worse. It's important to have a clear conscience rather than be corrupted.

As you are saying that they are taking more and giving to less people then that is something like a Ponzi scheme which may make people loser more and more people. I do not support Ponzi and I think no one should support it like this and GOVT has taken the perfect steps.

No its far from being a Ponzi scheme, its like these POGO's are making a lot of money from their operations but the amount of money they are paying to the Philippine government is less than what they are making This is because of lack of transparency.

The government is babysitting these POGO operations because of the taxes and the employment they provide to the people of the Philippines, It was just lately that these POGOs were exposed as a hub of human trafficking and many abuses that led to investigation and termination of their licenses.

If these POGOs were able to successfully carryout their criminal operations all these while without the government knowing because there was no transparency, then the government too is partly at fault for not monitoring the activities of this gambling sites thoroughly. They are only trying to cleanup their mess now by dragging some of these innocent gambling sites which they have banned into the mess they neglected.

Just as OP has said, a proper regulation and a gambling monitoring policy would be better than an outright ban. Right now, all parties are affected; the gamblers, the online gambling sites and even the government who would no longer be getting revenue from these sites.

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Quote from: shasan on September 24, 2024, 09:50:35 PM

Quote from: crwth on September 22, 2024, 12:52:08 PM

There is a lot of money coming in from the POGOs, but they have more negatives than positives in terms of the amount of benefits that are happening. More and more people could become victims because of it and it just makes the world worse. It's important to have a clear conscience rather than be corrupted.

As you are saying that they are taking more and giving to less people then that is something like a Ponzi scheme which may make people loser more and more people. I do not support Ponzi and I think no one should support it like this and GOVT has taken the perfect steps.

No its far from being a Ponzi scheme, its like these POGO's are making a lot of money from their operations but the amount of money they are paying to the Philippine government is less than what they are making This is because of lack of transparency.

The government is babysitting these POGO operations because of the taxes and the employment they provide to the people of the Philippines, It was just lately that these POGOs were exposed as a hub of human trafficking and many abuses that led to investigation and termination of their licenses.

Its far from Ponzi scheme since the downside of their operation is the illegalities like scamming,human trafficking,tortures and many more. This is widely the main concern of the government that's why they go after with these companies and put a lot of efforts to ban it on Philippines.

If they are just focusing on online gambling operation and have license for this for sure that government will not sue them. Because as far as I know online gambling is not yet illegal in Philippines.

But this syndicate choose to do more illegal activities that's why I agree that government should do some action and eliminate them in their jurisdiction.

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Quote from: shasan on September 24, 2024, 09:50:35 PM

Quote from: crwth on September 22, 2024, 12:52:08 PM

There is a lot of money coming in from the POGOs, but they have more negatives than positives in terms of the amount of benefits that are happening. More and more people could become victims because of it and it just makes the world worse. It's important to have a clear conscience rather than be corrupted.

As you are saying that they are taking more and giving to less people then that is something like a Ponzi scheme which may make people loser more and more people. I do not support Ponzi and I think no one should support it like this and GOVT has taken the perfect steps.

No its far from being a Ponzi scheme, its like these POGO's are making a lot of money from their operations but the amount of money they are paying to the Philippine government is less than what they are making This is because of lack of transparency.

The government is babysitting these POGO operations because of the taxes and the employment they provide to the people of the Philippines, It was just lately that these POGOs were exposed as a hub of human trafficking and many abuses that led to investigation and termination of their licenses.

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