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Quote from: Kemarit on October 04, 2024, 02:31:19 AM

There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.

Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.

They abolished the death penalty, then reintroduced it, then abolished it again. By the way, some politicians are in favor of the death penalty. All your arguments perfectly demonstrate that the real problem of the Philippines is not gambling, but the high level of corruption and the inability of the government to resist crime. In my opinion they just need to raise the standard of living of the population. Without that, the problem cannot be solved. We all know that many laws can be easily circumvented and banning gambling is one of them.

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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.

There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.

Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.

Since the removal of the death penalty in the Philippines, the drug lords in the country have grown stronger and spread out; that's the reality that really happened. Then pogo is really banned in the Philippines, but I read something that the name POGO itself was banned, but the name changed, and the people behind POGO are still the same people behind the new name that is regulated by our government because the casinos under there are still the same.

That's why if I'm the only one, it's really good to bring back the death penalty so that our country can see a fight again against big people who abuse naive and innocent people.

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Quote from: blockman on October 03, 2024, 04:58:36 PM

Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.

That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill.

Yeah, and I think it will have to go to several process and readings before it can be approved as a bill and then execute. But that is just one thing, execution is another one, as you mentioned that their could be bribes to corrupt government officials and this law might not be executed with full extend of the law.

And it's really hard to find a police officer that is not corrupt or not influence by anyone. It should really come from the top, to the President and his trusted men to really enforce and close all those POGO's for good and then clean it up starting with Alice Guo.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 04, 2024, 02:31:19 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on October 03, 2024, 11:31:57 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 03, 2024, 06:57:35 AM

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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.

There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.

Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.

Exactly! Bringing back the death penalty won't solve this kind of issue. To be honest, what happened to POGOS ban in the Philippines is a relief for me, I'm happy about it.
Even though we can not eliminate them 100%, it still already lessened and I believe in scam operations behind the doors of POGOS and human trafficking, for me, their only front is them being POGO because it's legal in the Philippines.

About the justice system, yes, I agree just like how cryptocurrency laws we have, as you can see they are not really strict when it comes to cryptocurrency, the only big government interfere was the recent banning of Binance.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 03, 2024, 11:31:57 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 03, 2024, 06:57:35 AM

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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.

There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.

Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.

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Quote from: blockman on October 03, 2024, 04:58:36 PM

Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.

That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill.

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Quote from: michellee on October 03, 2024, 01:57:31 AM

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Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

This is true, despite that bills have been made into laws. There is no enforcement on it, the banned services, platforms and casinos can easily still be accessed by everyone. It's sad that this is the type of government that we have and it's unlikely to change every administration.
We'll all relying on it for as much as we can be and we're just tolerating it at all because we're powerless.

The bill will be bill while that needs to obey the bill and not doing something wrong. But the government needs to watch out the illegal online gambling or even underground casino because with the prohibition from the government, people will be careful to visits the casino. They will not says many things about gambling to many people because the government watch them and will arrest them if they breaks the rules.

That will not be easy to eradicates gambling if that is already rooted from a long time ago. Maybe the government needs to use another approach for their people so they can realize about the danger of gambling. After all, it is not easy to give understanding to people who often playing gambling.

Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 03, 2024, 06:57:35 AM

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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 03, 2024, 06:19:48 AM

In my opinion, the adoption of a law banning online gambling will not solve anything when you do not have the technical means to do it and corruption thrives. The means of bypassing blocking will allow those who need it to continue to play gambling. In my opinion the problem in the Philippines is that the government is not able to fight organized crime. Fraudsters are an integral part of society and even if you completely eliminate the industry in which they operate, they will move to another industry. So passing a law that will not work is a fool's errand.

But there's no other way though for the Philippine government, they will have to respond to it, as there are killings already and you can't just allow this crimes to happen at your watch specially the Philippine President although his name is synonymous to corruption (no offense to Filipinos but this is part of their history already).

So he might have to clean this up and so he has said in his state of the address that by December they will totally ban POGO. But whether it will be back in different shape or form, remains to be seen. Because for now it's one of the hottest topic in the Philippines and the people wanted closure or at least see who are the personality behind it to go to jail specially high ranking government official.

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Quote from: Questat on October 03, 2024, 02:04:38 AM

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Quote from: YOSHIE on October 02, 2024, 07:57:47 AM

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

That bill aims to ban unregulated online gambling, and while PAGCOR can issue a limited number of licenses, the reality is that there are numerous online gambling sites in the Philippines. The ban on POGOs is a significant step, mainly because they’ve become a hub for scammers. However, online casinos will likely continue to operate, similar to how Binance exchange was banned in the Philippines, yet people still access it. In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

Honestly, the ban of POGOs isn't that much of a significant action especially, like you've said, it isn't being strictly enforced. I've been in the BPO industry and I know a lot of people who works on POGO but still as of now most of them are still employed and not much has been changed.

According to the article I read, it looks like POGO will only be around until the end of the year.

Let see after this year if they will stop or what will be the next options if they still have, though there's no update and the business still quitely facilatating, those who got their permits still exist.

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Quote from: https://agbrief.com/intel/deep-dive/22/08/2024/one-month-after-pogo-ban-order-unclear-path-forward/

One month has passed since Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. announced a sweeping ban on Offshore Gaming Operators (POGOs). Although the ban took immediate effect, with a deadline of December 31st, 2024, for shutting down all operations, the announcement has stirred considerable debate and concern. The specifics of how the ban will be implemented remain ambiguous.

Maybe they’re still operating to maximize their potential income for the year, but they're well-monitored now, that’s why we’re not getting as many text scams lately.

Yeah, I also notice that, after the ban those text which mostly about online gambling are no longer existing..

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In my opinion, the adoption of a law banning online gambling will not solve anything when you do not have the technical means to do it and corruption thrives. The means of bypassing blocking will allow those who need it to continue to play gambling. In my opinion the problem in the Philippines is that the government is not able to fight organized crime. Fraudsters are an integral part of society and even if you completely eliminate the industry in which they operate, they will move to another industry. So passing a law that will not work is a fool's errand.

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Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

Quote from: YOSHIE on October 02, 2024, 07:57:47 AM

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

That bill aims to ban unregulated online gambling, and while PAGCOR can issue a limited number of licenses, the reality is that there are numerous online gambling sites in the Philippines. The ban on POGOs is a significant step, mainly because they’ve become a hub for scammers. However, online casinos will likely continue to operate, similar to how Binance exchange was banned in the Philippines, yet people still access it. In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

But if you look at it, there are a lot of crypto based online casinos that are restricting the country of the Philippines already. And perhaps this was due to this call from the President of the Philippines to have his countries on the ban list. Although we all know that they can use VPN to access if they want to, but we all know that is not a good idea.

Yes, it's a significant step, but then again, it's really hard to really ban gambling unless the government really change itself to be very authoritative and controlling and no longer democratic. I'm still at lost though how unregulated online gambling has proliferated the Philippines unless there are some entities that are protecting it, but it's just pure speculation on my end.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on October 02, 2024, 07:54:07 PM

Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

Quote from: YOSHIE on October 02, 2024, 07:57:47 AM

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

That bill aims to ban unregulated online gambling, and while PAGCOR can issue a limited number of licenses, the reality is that there are numerous online gambling sites in the Philippines. The ban on POGOs is a significant step, mainly because they’ve become a hub for scammers. However, online casinos will likely continue to operate, similar to how Binance exchange was banned in the Philippines, yet people still access it. In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

Honestly, the ban of POGOs isn't that much of a significant action especially, like you've said, it isn't being strictly enforced. I've been in the BPO industry and I know a lot of people who works on POGO but still as of now most of them are still employed and not much has been changed.

According to the article I read, it looks like POGO will only be around until the end of the year.

Quote from: https://agbrief.com/intel/deep-dive/22/08/2024/one-month-after-pogo-ban-order-unclear-path-forward/

One month has passed since Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. announced a sweeping ban on Offshore Gaming Operators (POGOs). Although the ban took immediate effect, with a deadline of December 31st, 2024, for shutting down all operations, the announcement has stirred considerable debate and concern. The specifics of how the ban will be implemented remain ambiguous.

Maybe they’re still operating to maximize their potential income for the year, but they're well-monitored now, that’s why we’re not getting as many text scams lately.

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Quote from: blockman on October 02, 2024, 05:41:10 PM

Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

This is true, despite that bills have been made into laws. There is no enforcement on it, the banned services, platforms and casinos can easily still be accessed by everyone. It's sad that this is the type of government that we have and it's unlikely to change every administration.
We'll all relying on it for as much as we can be and we're just tolerating it at all because we're powerless.

The bill will be bill while that needs to obey the bill and not doing something wrong. But the government needs to watch out the illegal online gambling or even underground casino because with the prohibition from the government, people will be careful to visits the casino. They will not says many things about gambling to many people because the government watch them and will arrest them if they breaks the rules.

That will not be easy to eradicates gambling if that is already rooted from a long time ago. Maybe the government needs to use another approach for their people so they can realize about the danger of gambling. After all, it is not easy to give understanding to people who often playing gambling.

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Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

Quote from: YOSHIE on October 02, 2024, 07:57:47 AM

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

That bill aims to ban unregulated online gambling, and while PAGCOR can issue a limited number of licenses, the reality is that there are numerous online gambling sites in the Philippines. The ban on POGOs is a significant step, mainly because they’ve become a hub for scammers. However, online casinos will likely continue to operate, similar to how Binance exchange was banned in the Philippines, yet people still access it. In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

Honestly, the ban of POGOs isn't that much of a significant action especially, like you've said, it isn't being strictly enforced. I've been in the BPO industry and I know a lot of people who works on POGO but still as of now most of them are still employed and not much has been changed. People rarely talks about them working on POGO as it provides a higher salary compared to other companies.
There's little to no action being implemented unless the government will be able to profit on raiding these POGO hubs but without any profit or gain, they mostly turn a blind eye on most of them especially those Hubs backed by known people.

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Quote from: retreat on October 01, 2024, 09:45:44 AM

Banning online gambling is not a solution to the problem, but officials who deliberately allow illegal online casino platforms to operate - that's what the government must overcome, because from them illegal online casinos can operate freely without fear of government regulations. Because no matter how hard the government bans illegal online casinos, they will continue to grow and operate, as happened in my country, even here the government not only criminalizes gamblers/online casino operations, but also spends a lot of money just to create firewalls that prevent people from accessing online gambling sites (which are very easy to overcome with VPN). But instead of being effective, the number of online gamblers here is the same and they are not afraid of the punishment.

Illegal casino are becoming more popular than the usual casino that we know about and alot or customers are beginning to patronised them. I think what is causing this is because illegal casino are becoming less strict than the normal casino that we know about, without the gamblers knowing, they'll be making use of illegal casino without knowing. Banning online casino is not going to be helpful because there's no way we can stop online gambling from becoming a thing. Without you knowing, your children are already gambling on-line and it now a thing that every household are suffering from. What is more important right now is how you stop this from becoming a global problem then to act as if we don't have this problem. Banning of online casino is not going to stop the abuse of of gambling, we need to embrace it and improve it instead of fighting it.

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Quote from: stadus on October 02, 2024, 08:51:24 AM

In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

This is true, despite that bills have been made into laws. There is no enforcement on it, the banned services, platforms and casinos can easily still be accessed by everyone. It's sad that this is the type of government that we have and it's unlikely to change every administration.
We'll all relying on it for as much as we can be and we're just tolerating it at all because we're powerless.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

Since the issues of human trafficking, murder and all that has been a major concern to the government of Philippines I don't think gambling should be added to it, rather they should source for ways to remedy the issues that had been a challenge to the country than adding other aspects to make it cumbersome but then since the others are illegal gambling too isn't exempted and that's what led them to declare a ban to POGOs and all online gambling sites but it's a a Good thing they did looking at the rate of gambling and upcoming generation going into it it's a medium to put a stop to it entirely and save the country from disaster. And banning gambling operators both online and offline one good remedy to limits such illegal Acts.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on October 02, 2024, 07:57:47 AM

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

That bill aims to ban unregulated online gambling, and while PAGCOR can issue a limited number of licenses, the reality is that there are numerous online gambling sites in the Philippines. The ban on POGOs is a significant step, mainly because they’ve become a hub for scammers. However, online casinos will likely continue to operate, similar to how Binance exchange was banned in the Philippines, yet people still access it. In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

Yes, maybe I have to agree with your suggestion, that is POGO gambling and online gambling or visitors cannot be made scapegoats, corrupt individuals are responsible for all of that, visitors cannot be made sacrifices for their greed.

I'm sure the bill proposed in the Philippines by senators is not going smoothly, I'm sure there are pros and cons in this, taking into account visitors, tourists and other support for POGOs and online gambling and other considerations, Considering that rather than losing everything, it would be better to just lose one person.

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