I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
I do not agree with you what you have mentioned about the death penalty. I think the death penalty should not be applied by any means whether the amount scammed in huge or anything else. I do not think the death penalty is the solution to such an activity. 
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October 06, 2024, 02:03:01 PM
October 06, 2024, 01:35:26 PM
Well, bill is just a bill. It's not yet a law and I think that you're quite confused with that or this is what's working in our country. But these briberies are pretty normal in our country. That's sad that even the law enforces are getting involved and they're doing it as if that's already part of their routine and a normal thing to be done.
Sad to say that there are more corrupt officials than those who are working fairly, from that sense, there's always a chance that even there's already a order about it, those people behind can still continue as they can easily work it out with corrupt officials that will protect the business and will let them facilatate the business.
No further update though as we observe there are no text about promotions about casino offers, that's part of the great news after it was been address by the President.
I believe so, they just pointed those competitors and established their own, the good catch here is they control the law so they can simply hide those extablishements that still doing the same business, though just for the sake of giving them that compliment as those text promotions are now been limited to none after the president declares his position against illegal POGOs.
October 05, 2024, 05:37:44 PM
Well, bill is just a bill. It's not yet a law and I think that you're quite confused with that or this is what's working in our country. But these briberies are pretty normal in our country. That's sad that even the law enforces are getting involved and they're doing it as if that's already part of their routine and a normal thing to be done.
Sad to say that there are more corrupt officials than those who are working fairly, from that sense, there's always a chance that even there's already a order about it, those people behind can still continue as they can easily work it out with corrupt officials that will protect the business and will let them facilatate the business.
No further update though as we observe there are no text about promotions about casino offers, that's part of the great news after it was been address by the President.
October 05, 2024, 03:35:40 PM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. Sad to say that there are more corrupt officials than those who are working fairly, from that sense, there's always a chance that even there's already a order about it, those people behind can still continue as they can easily work it out with corrupt officials that will protect the business and will let them facilatate the business.
No further update though as we observe there are no text about promotions about casino offers, that's part of the great news after it was been address by the President.
Yes, this is the state of the country right now, we thought that when the current President wins the election, it will be totally different. Unfortunately, I will say that it was worst than the previous administration, and with the proliferation of gambling, gonna be hard to stop it at this point as there are a lot of corrupt officials, from police to current and former elected officials.
Although now, there are less text messages or calls that I received because some illegal POGO's has been taken down, but we haven't seen any one really face jail time as the investigations continues. And not sure how the total ban is going to be implemented when Pagcor is against it because of the huge tax that they are getting.
October 05, 2024, 01:40:37 PM
Sad to say that there are more corrupt officials than those who are working fairly, from that sense, there's always a chance that even there's already a order about it, those people behind can still continue as they can easily work it out with corrupt officials that will protect the business and will let them facilatate the business.
true, and it is the reason why POGO's potential was ruined, stupid, greedy, corrupt officials got a hold of handling POGO and ran it to the ground, such a waste of opportunity.No further update though as we observe there are no text about promotions about casino offers, that's part of the great news after it was been address by the President.
I remember how annoying it is when scammers get a hold of your number and won't stop spamming you with their scam, so I am glad I never received these kinds of texts but I still get calls from unknown numbers which is very annoying too. October 05, 2024, 12:55:08 PM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. Sad to say that there are more corrupt officials than those who are working fairly, from that sense, there's always a chance that even there's already a order about it, those people behind can still continue as they can easily work it out with corrupt officials that will protect the business and will let them facilatate the business.
No further update though as we observe there are no text about promotions about casino offers, that's part of the great news after it was been address by the President.
October 05, 2024, 03:48:59 AM
Yeah, and I think it will have to go to several process and readings before it can be approved as a bill and then execute. But that is just one thing, execution is another one, as you mentioned that their could be bribes to corrupt government officials and this law might not be executed with full extend of the law.
And it's really hard to find a police officer that is not corrupt or not influence by anyone. It should really come from the top, to the President and his trusted men to really enforce and close all those POGO's for good and then clean it up starting with Alice Guo.
I heard that every bill made by the government has an interest for some group of them so they will execute or reject the bill and ask to modify it. But citizens will not realize for sure about that because citizens will not read all of the bill. Besides that, it is very difficult to find enforcers who get bribed by the high level or other parties because they will not open their mouths and tell their secrets. President can command his enforcers but between his enforcers, he must have a trust enforcer that can work for that duty so nothing bad will happen and he can search for the bribed enforcers and catch them. And it's really hard to find a police officer that is not corrupt or not influence by anyone. It should really come from the top, to the President and his trusted men to really enforce and close all those POGO's for good and then clean it up starting with Alice Guo.
October 04, 2024, 08:20:23 AM
But in the case of POGO if the officials of those businesses will just do pure business and don't mix with other illegal activities well maybe its fine to regulate them, But seems they are engaging with risky matters which involve national security or threat to humanity I guess that banning should be done. Yeah those taxes it can provide would bring good help to the country, but if the exchange of everything is the welfare of people then I guess its better to eliminate this since human life is important.
I just hope the President doesn’t turn a blind eye to what’s happening, because that would show people he’s a responsible leader who can protect the country from these kinds of problems.
If they are not paying taxes, then obviously they should be shutdown, but first they will have to come after them and chase for those unpaid taxes. And then after that, they can close and then go after that supposedly corrupt officials that help them established this POGO inside the country.
It should be complete and swift as well, together with the police and military and then capture everyone that is related to this crime. I heard that there are still being investigated in the Senate, but it seems that it has taken them so long already.
October 04, 2024, 08:00:03 AM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. 
October 04, 2024, 07:44:16 AM
There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
They abolished the death penalty, then reintroduced it, then abolished it again. By the way, some politicians are in favor of the death penalty. All your arguments perfectly demonstrate that the real problem of the Philippines is not gambling, but the high level of corruption and the inability of the government to resist crime. In my opinion they just need to raise the standard of living of the population. Without that, the problem cannot be solved. We all know that many laws can be easily circumvented and banning gambling is one of them.
Philippines is big catholic state that's why they value human life and church is against killing that's why lots of politician follow what they like and then take out the death penalty here is the information about this https://icomdp.org/why-the-death-penalty-should-be-abolished/
That's why lots of criminals in that country is confident to do bigger crimes since they know they can escape bigger penalties. If there's Death penalty for this crime or for heinous crime for sure incident like this or other bigger crimes will lessen. But guess this will happen to a catholic country that's the reason criminals like to take advantage on the situation since they know they can escape easily to receive higher penalties for their crime. For gambling authorities can do something else with that case but when there's torture thing or other crime against humanity then I guess this deserve the highest penalty to eliminate those criminals.
October 04, 2024, 07:30:09 AM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. Yeah, and I think it will have to go to several process and readings before it can be approved as a bill and then execute. But that is just one thing, execution is another one, as you mentioned that their could be bribes to corrupt government officials and this law might not be executed with full extend of the law.
And it's really hard to find a police officer that is not corrupt or not influence by anyone. It should really come from the top, to the President and his trusted men to really enforce and close all those POGO's for good and then clean it up starting with Alice Guo.
That's right, as we know that there are many lapses when a bill is being executed not unless there's a dedicated law enforcement that will handle it with the full and direct authorization coming from the head of the state, otherwise, those who are in this business will just look for another corrupt officers or law enforcement that will give them protection and let them facilitate their illegal activities.
October 04, 2024, 07:02:04 AM
There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
They abolished the death penalty, then reintroduced it, then abolished it again. By the way, some politicians are in favor of the death penalty. All your arguments perfectly demonstrate that the real problem of the Philippines is not gambling, but the high level of corruption and the inability of the government to resist crime. In my opinion they just need to raise the standard of living of the population. Without that, the problem cannot be solved. We all know that many laws can be easily circumvented and banning gambling is one of them.
October 04, 2024, 03:47:52 AM
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
Since the removal of the death penalty in the Philippines, the drug lords in the country have grown stronger and spread out; that's the reality that really happened. Then pogo is really banned in the Philippines, but I read something that the name POGO itself was banned, but the name changed, and the people behind POGO are still the same people behind the new name that is regulated by our government because the casinos under there are still the same.
That's why if I'm the only one, it's really good to bring back the death penalty so that our country can see a fight again against big people who abuse naive and innocent people.
October 04, 2024, 02:56:10 AM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. Yeah, and I think it will have to go to several process and readings before it can be approved as a bill and then execute. But that is just one thing, execution is another one, as you mentioned that their could be bribes to corrupt government officials and this law might not be executed with full extend of the law.
And it's really hard to find a police officer that is not corrupt or not influence by anyone. It should really come from the top, to the President and his trusted men to really enforce and close all those POGO's for good and then clean it up starting with Alice Guo.
October 04, 2024, 02:35:08 AM
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
Even though we can not eliminate them 100%, it still already lessened and I believe in scam operations behind the doors of POGOS and human trafficking, for me, their only front is them being POGO because it's legal in the Philippines.
About the justice system, yes, I agree just like how cryptocurrency laws we have, as you can see they are not really strict when it comes to cryptocurrency, the only big government interfere was the recent banning of Binance.
October 04, 2024, 02:31:19 AM
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
There is no death penalty as far as I know in the Philippines, it has been abolished years ago as we all know that this country is predominantly Catholic and so it's against their faith to take someone's life.
Maybe life sentence, but even the Chinese drug boss that has been caught or any other criminals for that matter could get out. So the justice system is not that strong in the Philippines from what I read, so it might really take time to see the results or even if we see the big names right now going to jail like the former Mayor of a town who is accused of being a Chinese spy, as she is the own who facilitated POGO's in his town and obviously, she is the protector.
October 04, 2024, 01:54:22 AM
Nope, a bill is still a bill and needs to be passed before becoming a law. So, in short, it's not yet a law and there's no need to obey with that. But in our country, even it becomes a law, there are too many lawbreakers and the rich ones able to step up the laws and follow what they think is right because the enforcers of the law can be fed with money.
That's right because they think that bill is just a bill that can be breaking if there are no attention from the regulator. Besides that, the enforcers can be bribe for some money and even they can protect the business from the inspection from the other enforcers. That will makes the bill can not fully work because every time enforcers want to catch them, they can hide and run away from the investigation. It need a clean enforcers who can avoids the bribe or other things so they can work regard from the bill. October 03, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
In short, even with such laws, if there’s no strict enforcement, nothing will really change.
This is true, despite that bills have been made into laws. There is no enforcement on it, the banned services, platforms and casinos can easily still be accessed by everyone. It's sad that this is the type of government that we have and it's unlikely to change every administration. We'll all relying on it for as much as we can be and we're just tolerating it at all because we're powerless.
That will not be easy to eradicates gambling if that is already rooted from a long time ago. Maybe the government needs to use another approach for their people so they can realize about the danger of gambling. After all, it is not easy to give understanding to people who often playing gambling.
October 03, 2024, 11:31:57 AM
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
October 03, 2024, 06:57:35 AM
In my opinion, the adoption of a law banning online gambling will not solve anything when you do not have the technical means to do it and corruption thrives. The means of bypassing blocking will allow those who need it to continue to play gambling. In my opinion the problem in the Philippines is that the government is not able to fight organized crime. Fraudsters are an integral part of society and even if you completely eliminate the industry in which they operate, they will move to another industry. So passing a law that will not work is a fool's errand.
But there's no other way though for the Philippine government, they will have to respond to it, as there are killings already and you can't just allow this crimes to happen at your watch specially the Philippine President although his name is synonymous to corruption (no offense to Filipinos but this is part of their history already).
So he might have to clean this up and so he has said in his state of the address that by December they will totally ban POGO. But whether it will be back in different shape or form, remains to be seen. Because for now it's one of the hottest topic in the Philippines and the people wanted closure or at least see who are the personality behind it to go to jail specially high ranking government official.
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