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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.

The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.

Good in terms of converting those assets though not sure if how and what government institution that will sequester those assets, after banning and proving those illegal facilatations it's now time for the government to take actions and bring those corrupt officials who manage to earn from those illegal gambling bussinesses that facilatate inside our country and manage to build those buildings where they enjoyed all the money that gamblers brings.

I think they can in their power to convert this POGO to something else, the the people can used, after-all they are government and they can turn that assets in some useful ways. I read that some of those POGO was once used as a tourist spot or something that people visited in Cavite before.

Maybe they can turn it around like it was before when it was bought by the Chinese. However, it seems that it's going to be very hard to do as there are some individuals who still benefited from it despite what the President said, total ban by December this year.
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
Gambling is still addicting and addicting activities can usually cause a crime, so gambling is still one of it. Gambling is also popular now, so maybe the crime rate has increased dramatically because of it. Now if they ban gambling, that could also lessen a good chunk of crime rates. Lack of work and decent wages are also a long-time problem of the people/society but I think it is also their fault on why they experienced it.

If only they study hard and work hard to achieve their passion, I'm sure they will surely/also get it. Increasing the sentence for a criminal is a good suggestion and this is also another problem that we are facing in fact.

I mean criminals can usually get out easily, so there is a tendency that they will just repeat the same shit again and then many are going to get encouraged to do a crime because of it. We also need more fairness on the law, so that we won't punish the wrong people or those who are poor and can't defend their selves properly in the court. So death penalty may be a bad idea for now, not until what I suggested there is going to be done.

Well, even with a ban, illegal casinos are likely to continue to operate
It says all sorts of online gambling, so this includes legal casinos and if they wish to continue, that is how they became illegal but I'm not sure about it and if its possible, then I think only few are only going to do that. For those who are already illegal even before, they will always have the guts to do the wrong things.
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Also even if they stop those POGO's the problem related to gambling they foresee will continue since they still allowed many gambling sites to operate and its like those continue to exist pay larger bribes that's why they are not included to be eliminated on what current happening in POGO's.
The problem wasn’t really about gambling itself. POGOs are allowed to operate here in the Philippines as long as they hire locals, but they don’t let our people gamble, they target people in China, where gambling is illegal. POGOs got attention because of reports of scamming, like crypto investment scams, which are hot on the AMLC’s watchlist. If they weren’t linked to scams, I think POGOs would still be running, and the Philippines would still be getting taxes from them.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Do you believe that all pogos are really extinct in the Philippines? Because of the news I came across after the news that even became buzzing on social media and mainstream media that there is still a Pogo that exists in part of Cavite.

I don't know whether to laugh or be annoyed, because they were able to raid the area of ​​Bamban Tarlac where the area of ​​Pogo is 10 hectares while the pogo in Cavite is not as big compared to the one they raided in Bamban Tarlac, the answer is yes The chief head of those who raided said it was necessary for them to wait for the answer to the permit they sent to let them inspect. Doesn't it sound silly? it shows that they are selective.

Hahaha, it's an executive order directly from the President there's no need for any permits to raid if they think that there's and existing Pogo that still operating, and adding to this comedy they can trace small operation from different exclusive subdivision which they got from their intel without any permits, but those still operating from Cavite they need to ask permission?

Something that will leave you a doubt, might be possible that there's someone who's powerful than the President hahaha...
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Do you believe that all pogos are really extinct in the Philippines? Because of the news I came across after the news that even became buzzing on social media and mainstream media that there is still a Pogo that exists in part of Cavite.

I don't know whether to laugh or be annoyed, because they were able to raid the area of ​​Bamban Tarlac where the area of ​​Pogo is 10 hectares while the pogo in Cavite is not as big compared to the one they raided in Bamban Tarlac, the answer is yes The chief head of those who raided said it was necessary for them to wait for the answer to the permit they sent to let them inspect. Doesn't it sound silly? it shows that they are selective.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

I'm not really sure if the Marcos is directly getting money from this illegal gambling, but there could be very close men to him that might have somewhat in connivance with this criminal groups and so they remain untouchable for the time being. Unfortunately, this has been the case for us for many years now. Who is in power, they have all the money.

Just like what is happening as well on the war on drugs by the previous government. Now the current government is after those people including the former president and some of his men. Police, informants, everyone. So it's like a feeling of getting back on them. Just sad to see the Philippines turning to be a hub for gambling and even if the President that he is going to ban it before the end of the year, there might still some who will continue as they have "grease" money to some police and government officials.

Provably no and its dumb decision to get money directly from POGO so there's should be someone do the job for them so that there schemes will not be notice easily. Also nothing good to expect since its corruption is so rampant in Philippines. I feel bad to that country now since its like there's no good development happen under the term of new President. Its like he don't know how to take action regarding on some situation and just rely on what other people says.

Also even if they stop those POGO's the problem related to gambling they foresee will continue since they still allowed many gambling sites to operate and its like those continue to exist pay larger bribes that's why they are not included to be eliminated on what current happening in POGO's.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

I'm not really sure if the Marcos is directly getting money from this illegal gambling, but there could be very close men to him that might have somewhat in connivance with this criminal groups and so they remain untouchable for the time being. Unfortunately, this has been the case for us for many years now. Who is in power, they have all the money.

Just like what is happening as well on the war on drugs by the previous government. Now the current government is after those people including the former president and some of his men. Police, informants, everyone. So it's like a feeling of getting back on them. Just sad to see the Philippines turning to be a hub for gambling and even if the President that he is going to ban it before the end of the year, there might still some who will continue as they have "grease" money to some police and government officials.
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The sad reality in our world is that many business are used as a front to hide what is really going on behind the scenes. I wish it was not so & that I didn't stumble upon this thread because these types of situations always make me sad hearing them. Human trafficking is the most evil and vile thing anyone or anything can do & there is a special place in hell where these perpetrators will be tormented for eternity. I don't blame the Philippino senator one bit for his decision on this. POGO is a no go to him it sure seems.

There's no need to quote the whole post in the OP>

It all starts with the government. The people in charge are elected to enforce the law and protect citizens, ensuring they enjoy the benefits of the taxes they pay. Unfortunately, these POGO operators know exactly where to set up shop, and since we can’t deny that the Philippines is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, bribing the government becomes easy. So, no matter what the president says, without proper enforcement, the problem will continue. POGO might stop officially, but its operations won’t - sadly, that’s the reality.
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This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines.  A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling.  Any individual involved  will be fined  up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months. More story on the link below:

Philippines senator pushes for banning POGOs, all forms of online gambling




The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

In my personal view, I do not think there is a need to ban POGO's and online gambling.  This is not the fault of a regular individual but the institution behind the gambling regulatory board.  Instead of banning and penalizing people who are engaged in gambling activities, the bill should strengthen the regulation and purge the institution of any corrupt official that allows these illegal activities to proliferate.  He should implement a bill that will severely punish any government official that engage in illegal gambling activities. Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country. I hope this kind of bill won't progress instead take an alternative implementation of cleansing the gambling regulatory board of any corrupt official and holding them accountable for their wicked crimes.

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?


The sad reality in our world is that many business are used as a front to hide what is really going on behind the scenes. I wish it was not so & that I didn't stumble upon this thread because these types of situations always make me sad hearing them. Human trafficking is the most evil and vile thing anyone or anything can do & there is a special place in hell where these perpetrators will be tormented for eternity. I don't blame the Philippino senator one bit for his decision on this. POGO is a no go to him it sure seems.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Hahahaha but it's true seems that the server itself is just around the corner, those illegal business owners are just smiling as they can just use their money to manipulate, we've seen wasted time for those corrupt officials who are trying to work with the implementation of this banning of Pogos operation but it's just for the sake of exposures of their names as election is nearing.

Like what you mentioned it's not impossible that those Pogo's that still operating there's intel on it but because of those corrupt protectors they just simply business as usual.
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The irony is, people who're just a citizen, not a police or someone who work for government, can expose the gambling operators and after they report it to the authority, the authority didn't choose to doing nothing. They've working together with the gambling operators, they will remind the gambling operators to move everything they have to other place and hen the police will visit that place just to give a proof if they found nothing there.

It’s just like in the movies--anyone who reports these illegal activities is putting their life at risk, especially since authorities are involved. To stay safe, it might be best to ignore it and let the government handle it. But since they haven’t been able to, we can only hope that the next president will tackle the issue. This is why it’s so important to vote wisely. I once watched a video that explained the difference between a regular thief and a politician thief: a regular thief chooses who to rob, but with a politician thief, we’re the ones choosing who will rob us.  Grin
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Eradicating the gambling mafia is not an easy thing, especially when it has been operating for years, they certainly have a network and are already rooted in society. Especially for officials who have enjoyed their money, of course they do not want these gambling operators to disappear since their income comes from the money of these gambling operators - they may move gambling operations to more remote places that are more difficult for the government to reach, and that will make this operation possibly not be completed with maximum results.
The irony is, people who're just a citizen, not a police or someone who work for government, can expose the gambling operators and after they report it to the authority, the authority didn't choose to doing nothing. They've working together with the gambling operators, they will remind the gambling operators to move everything they have to other place and hen the police will visit that place just to give a proof if they found nothing there.
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Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.

Eradicating the gambling mafia is not an easy thing, especially when it has been operating for years, they certainly have a network and are already rooted in society. Especially for officials who have enjoyed their money, of course they do not want these gambling operators to disappear since their income comes from the money of these gambling operators - they may move gambling operations to more remote places that are more difficult for the government to reach, and that will make this operation possibly not be completed with maximum results.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.
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We have some development, and it seems like POGO aren't really going to stop their operation.

More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
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MANILA — The Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission (PAOCC) on Tuesday said it has been going after over 100 small illegal gambling operators in the Philippines after large-scale Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (POGO) “disintegrated into small units.”

They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.

Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.

ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
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We have some development, and it seems like POGO aren't really going to stop their operation.

More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
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MANILA — The Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission (PAOCC) on Tuesday said it has been going after over 100 small illegal gambling operators in the Philippines after large-scale Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (POGO) “disintegrated into small units.”

They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.

Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
Those are nothing else but bribes that bands of criminals give to politicians so they force the police to look the other way and they can carry on their activities without any issue, and this is a big problem, since it does not really matter if a piece of paper says that something is illegal, if the people that are in charge of applying that law do not want to do it, as it personally benefits them for those illegal businesses to exist as they can gain money that way.
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Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.
If they owe something to the government, the authorities could seize their property. But not all POGOs are involved in illegal activities. Otherwise, they'd all be under investigation. The ones being raided are probably those where evidence of wrongdoing was found. If they own the building, the government can take it since jail time often comes with hefty fines. The biggest issue might be tax evasion, which is an easy case for the government to push if they really want to seize POGO properties.

As one of the congressmen said to Alice Guo (if I remember correctly), he mentioned that her property and money should be seized, and after that, they’ll send her back to China. These so-called honorable officials are corrupt too; they seem more interested in grabbing the money than delivering justice to the real victims.

The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.

POGO operations in general are legit, and the government actually makes tax money from them. But the issue lies with the illegal operators, and their numbers have shot up thanks to corruption in immigration. Officials are taking bribes to let illegal workers in, and it's been all over the news. Sadly, no one from immigration, who’s allegedly involved in this mess, has been locked up yet.
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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.

The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.

Good in terms of converting those assets though not sure if how and what government institution that will sequester those assets, after banning and proving those illegal facilatations it's now time for the government to take actions and bring those corrupt officials who manage to earn from those illegal gambling bussinesses that facilatate inside our country and manage to build those buildings where they enjoyed all the money that gamblers brings.
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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.

The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.
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