Eradicating the gambling mafia is not an easy thing, especially when it has been operating for years, they certainly have a network and are already rooted in society. Especially for officials who have enjoyed their money, of course they do not want these gambling operators to disappear since their income comes from the money of these gambling operators - they may move gambling operations to more remote places that are more difficult for the government to reach, and that will make this operation possibly not be completed with maximum results.
The irony is, people who're just a citizen, not a police or someone who work for government, can expose the gambling operators and after they report it to the authority, the authority didn't choose to doing nothing. They've working together with the gambling operators, they will remind the gambling operators to move everything they have to other place and hen the police will visit that place just to give a proof if they found nothing there. 
Topic: PH Senator pushes a Ban to POGOs and All Sort of Online Gambling... - page 3. (Read 2233 times)
October 18, 2024, 11:02:43 AM
October 18, 2024, 10:52:29 AM
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Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
Eradicating the gambling mafia is not an easy thing, especially when it has been operating for years, they certainly have a network and are already rooted in society. Especially for officials who have enjoyed their money, of course they do not want these gambling operators to disappear since their income comes from the money of these gambling operators - they may move gambling operations to more remote places that are more difficult for the government to reach, and that will make this operation possibly not be completed with maximum results.
October 18, 2024, 09:42:11 AM
ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.
October 18, 2024, 09:33:31 AM
We have some development, and it seems like POGO aren't really going to stop their operation.
More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
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MANILA — The Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission (PAOCC) on Tuesday said it has been going after over 100 small illegal gambling operators in the Philippines after large-scale Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (POGO) “disintegrated into small units.”
They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.
They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.
Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
October 18, 2024, 06:58:59 AM
We have some development, and it seems like POGO aren't really going to stop their operation.
More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
More than 100 smaller illegal POGO units operating in PH: PAOCC
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MANILA — The Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission (PAOCC) on Tuesday said it has been going after over 100 small illegal gambling operators in the Philippines after large-scale Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (POGO) “disintegrated into small units.”
They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.
They are situated in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, PAOCC spokesperson Winston Casio said.
Even though the order to shut down POGOs is still in place, the lack of strict law enforcement and the operators' knowledge that bribing corrupt officials keeps them running. They continue operating in smaller spaces, making it harder to detect. Good luck to the police, because these operators are already spread out all over the Philippines.
October 15, 2024, 04:34:37 PM
[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
October 15, 2024, 08:09:00 AM
Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.
If they owe something to the government, the authorities could seize their property. But not all POGOs are involved in illegal activities. Otherwise, they'd all be under investigation. The ones being raided are probably those where evidence of wrongdoing was found. If they own the building, the government can take it since jail time often comes with hefty fines. The biggest issue might be tax evasion, which is an easy case for the government to push if they really want to seize POGO properties.As one of the congressmen said to Alice Guo (if I remember correctly), he mentioned that her property and money should be seized, and after that, they’ll send her back to China. These so-called honorable officials are corrupt too; they seem more interested in grabbing the money than delivering justice to the real victims.
The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.
POGO operations in general are legit, and the government actually makes tax money from them. But the issue lies with the illegal operators, and their numbers have shot up thanks to corruption in immigration. Officials are taking bribes to let illegal workers in, and it's been all over the news. Sadly, no one from immigration, who’s allegedly involved in this mess, has been locked up yet.
October 15, 2024, 07:33:23 AM
[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.
The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.
Good in terms of converting those assets though not sure if how and what government institution that will sequester those assets, after banning and proving those illegal facilatations it's now time for the government to take actions and bring those corrupt officials who manage to earn from those illegal gambling bussinesses that facilatate inside our country and manage to build those buildings where they enjoyed all the money that gamblers brings.
October 15, 2024, 05:14:38 AM
[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.
The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.
October 13, 2024, 12:19:37 PM
[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
Indeed, they can easily do that with the protection of those corrupt officials, just facilatating outside the radar it's just easy as there are corrupt people behind the government, those big pogos that been mark as competitor will be chase from time to time but those who had the protection will quitely continue their operation and will just enjoy the amount of money that they can earn from the business.
October 13, 2024, 11:26:59 AM
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
It should not be called a tax as they have banned it. But they can take tax from their country people in this case it must be called as tax. Though they banned yet it should be called as tax and the amount of tax is higher than any other things. October 12, 2024, 06:33:24 AM
[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.
October 11, 2024, 08:01:56 PM
But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities.
They are given until this year to stop their operation, idk if it will be extend. Despite of the ban, there will be a future alternative of POGO that will be made later as it was discussed already on congress because even you believe it or not, some few legitimate gambling business that pay taxes and follow regulations were affected of the ban.I don't know, but maybe they will just rename it and then the whole process starts all over again. We have seen it before, even during the time of Estrada or Arroyo if I'm not mistaken, they try to stop illegal gambling, but they didn't, the worst is that those who have been tagged as gambling lords started to run for mayor and governor and won and so after many years, there could still be some illegal gambling den somewhere in the province wherein the supposedly elected officials are in control.
As for the statement of the President, in paper it looks good that they will ban POGO or whatever illegal gambling there is in the country, but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.
October 11, 2024, 06:48:49 PM
But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities.
They are given until this year to stop their operation, idk if it will be extend. Despite of the ban, there will be a future alternative of POGO that will be made later as it was discussed already on congress because even you believe it or not, some few legitimate gambling business that pay taxes and follow regulations were affected of the ban. October 11, 2024, 06:18:06 PM
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Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..
But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities. Now that the big fish have been caught, I’m hoping there won’t be more Senate hearings, so they can focus on other issues. Or is it possible that they’ll try to implicate the former president in this issue to get him jailed and ruin his name, considering he’s (his daughter the vp) probably the biggest threat to the current administration in the next presidential election?
Yes that's very possible, trying to ruined someone's image to create good impressions for his government, though it might ruined the trust of those loyalists and might take effect to the country, the intentions is pretty good in terms of eliminating the activities of those hubs inside the country, if that's sole intention got a good result then it will helps a lot to those who already addicted so far we don't receive any invites or any promotions unlike when pogos are still not being banned where you will receive lots of messages promoting different online gambling services.
October 11, 2024, 07:01:38 AM
The bill is still on the propose list and not even in the second reading and foe any bill to pass into law then it must scale through the second reading and what is the second reading of a bill. It is the time whereby by all the senators in the National House of Assembly would take a copy of the propose bill and go and study it and if possible make some corrections and when they all come back again then they discussed on the bill and if the opposition is high then it will be cancelled and that is the time lobby took place in the house. It will be a bad thing for the youth over there but they should not give up yet and I strongly believe it will not pass the second reading.
October 11, 2024, 06:49:56 AM
It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.
Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.
She could be part of the sleeper cell, so in times that there could be war between the Philippines and China, all those sleeper cells are going to be activated and her being in power as major can do such damage. Or if she can get to the top, government officials or in the police or military, and uses his influence and money, then China might win in the war.
Anyway, it's welcoming news that that authorities has caught the mastermind of the person behind this POGO, and maybe they can link her to the that of Alice Guo and see the connection. And yes, justice should be served, fast and swift before deporting him back to China and will not allow him to comeback to the Philippines.
October 11, 2024, 06:29:22 AM
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Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..
But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities. Now that the big fish have been caught, I’m hoping there won’t be more Senate hearings, so they can focus on other issues. Or is it possible that they’ll try to implicate the former president in this issue to get him jailed and ruin his name, considering he’s (his daughter the vp) probably the biggest threat to the current administration in the next presidential election?
October 11, 2024, 06:24:15 AM
It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.
Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.
Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.
Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..
October 11, 2024, 05:56:39 AM
It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.
Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.
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