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Quote from: Botnake on October 12, 2024, 06:33:24 AM

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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

Indeed, they can easily do that with the protection of those corrupt officials, just facilatating outside the radar it's just easy as there are corrupt people behind the government, those big pogos that been mark as competitor will be chase from time to time but those who had the protection will quitely continue their operation and will just enjoy the amount of money that they can earn from the business.

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Quote from: Botnake on October 12, 2024, 06:33:24 AM

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

It should not be called a tax as they have banned it. But they can take tax from their country people in this case it must be called as tax. Though they banned yet it should be called as tax and the amount of tax is higher than any other things.

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Quote from: TravelMug on October 11, 2024, 08:01:56 PM

[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

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Quote from: PX-Z on October 11, 2024, 06:48:49 PM

Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 06:29:22 AM

But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities.

They are given until this year to stop their operation, idk if it will be extend. Despite of the ban, there will be a future alternative of POGO that will be made later as it was discussed already on congress because even you believe it or not, some few legitimate gambling business that pay taxes and follow regulations were affected of the ban.

I don't know, but maybe they will just rename it and then the whole process starts all over again. We have seen it before, even during the time of Estrada or Arroyo if I'm not mistaken, they try to stop illegal gambling, but they didn't, the worst is that those who have been tagged as gambling lords started to run for mayor and governor and won and so after many years, there could still be some illegal gambling den somewhere in the province wherein the supposedly elected officials are in control.

As for the statement of the President, in paper it looks good that they will ban POGO or whatever illegal gambling there is in the country, but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 06:29:22 AM

But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities.

They are given until this year to stop their operation, idk if it will be extend. Despite of the ban, there will be a future alternative of POGO that will be made later as it was discussed already on congress because even you believe it or not, some few legitimate gambling business that pay taxes and follow regulations were affected of the ban.

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Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 06:29:22 AM

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Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.

Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..

But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities. Now that the big fish have been caught, I’m hoping there won’t be more Senate hearings, so they can focus on other issues. Or is it possible that they’ll try to implicate the former president in this issue to get him jailed and ruin his name, considering he’s (his daughter the vp) probably the biggest threat to the current administration in the next presidential election?

Yes that's very possible, trying to ruined someone's image to create good impressions for his government, though it might ruined the trust of those loyalists and might take effect to the country, the intentions is pretty good in terms of eliminating the activities of those hubs inside the country, if that's sole intention got a good result then it will helps a lot to those who already addicted so far we don't receive any invites or any promotions unlike when pogos are still not being banned where you will receive lots of messages promoting different online gambling services.

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The bill is still on the propose list and not even in the second reading and foe any bill to pass into law then it must scale through the second reading and what is the second reading of a bill. It is the time whereby by all the senators in the National House of Assembly would take a copy of the propose bill and go and study it and if possible make some corrections and when they all come back again then they discussed on the bill and if the opposition is high then it will be cancelled and that is the time lobby took place in the house. It will be a bad thing for the youth over there but they should not give up yet and I strongly believe it will not pass the second reading.

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Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 05:56:39 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 11, 2024, 05:43:54 AM

It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.

Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.

By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.

She could be part of the sleeper cell, so in times that there could be war between the Philippines and China, all those sleeper cells are going to be activated and her being in power as major can do such damage. Or if she can get to the top, government officials or in the police or military, and uses his influence and money, then China might win in the war.

Anyway, it's welcoming news that that authorities has caught the mastermind of the person behind this POGO, and maybe they can link her to the that of Alice Guo and see the connection. And yes, justice should be served, fast and swift before deporting him back to China and will not allow him to comeback to the Philippines.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 11, 2024, 06:24:15 AM

Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 05:56:39 AM

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Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.

Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..

But that likely won’t change the president’s mind since he already ordered a ban on POGOs. The question now is how long they’ll be allowed to operate. We don’t really know the full details; all we know is that the president wants to put an end to these gambling hubs that are being used for various criminal activities. Now that the big fish have been caught, I’m hoping there won’t be more Senate hearings, so they can focus on other issues. Or is it possible that they’ll try to implicate the former president in this issue to get him jailed and ruin his name, considering he’s (his daughter the vp) probably the biggest threat to the current administration in the next presidential election?

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Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2024, 05:56:39 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 11, 2024, 05:43:54 AM

It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.

Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.

By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.

Logically right, there's nothing to spy with as the country is small to protect himself if ever China decided to attack, and for sure before the aid comes they already invade the country and more or less the damages already been done, I can see that same point they are using Mayor Guo to distract the real reason behind, they are attacking the last regimen to get people's attentions so they can continue whatever corruptions that they are doing right now.

Though that's another topic, and staying with topic of banning POGOs still rolling and still being sort by the congress and senate..

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 11, 2024, 05:43:54 AM

It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.

Definitely, it’s necessary to stop or at least minimize these operations, especially those tied to criminal activities. Hopefully, those involved get sentenced to life imprisonment, including their protectors. It would be great if they start revealing names and exposing those who need to be held accountable. I wonder if Alice provided any information regarding this, and what she might have received in return.

By the way, I can’t get out of my head how they’re calling Alice Guo a spy from China. It makes me confused—what exactly does China need to spy on in our country? I mean, they could easily attack the Philippines anytime given that our military isn’t strong. It makes me wonder if this issue was just made up to distract people from the real problems, like the corrution that is already rampant.

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Just want to update you regarding POGO's in our country, Pogo ‘kingpin’ arrested in Laguna – PAOCC.

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The Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission (PAOCC) said its agents arrested Lin Xunhan at a subdivision in Biñan City on Thursday, October 10. In a report, the Paocc said Lin used the identity and passport of an individual named Lyu Dong and operated under aliases “Bogo,” “Boga,” “Xiao Long,” “Apao,” “Pahao,” and “Hao Hao.”

The Paocc report also noted that Lin arrived in the Philippines in 2016 and has set up alleged scam farms in Ilocos Region, Central Luzon, Calabarzon, Cebu, and Metro Manila.

It's good news, but this is just the start I guess, we wanted to see that justice will be served him and that this so called Kingpin should be jailed according to the rules as there are a lot of murders and tortures and crimes and justice should be served here.

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Quote from: stadus on October 07, 2024, 06:56:06 AM

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

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As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

If there are still any operating, it’s likely just a small group, and even their protectors are being cautious now since there's an order from the president to ban POGO. Without protection for the Chinese operators, they'll eventually be gone..not instantly, but slowly and surely. By the way, you should check out "#No More Bets"..it’s a great movie and possibly a real POGO scenario.

But still, how can they still operate when the mayor says that the city was free from illegal POGO's. So obviously, their is some colluding between the illegal POGO operators and then maybe the police and other local officials because they have the courage to even continue to go under illegally even if the President himself declared a total ban already.

As for the movies, yes, I have seen it, and probably it's the closest to the POGO structure being established in the Philippines. Although in the movie it is not and they are Chinese speaking or at last the operatives who dismantle this group is Chinese. But in the end you will see that somewhat there are corrupt officials involved and so it just hint that it will continue despite the crackdown and this could also be true in the Philippines.

We can’t discount that possibility, but they wouldn’t be called POGOs anymore--they’d just be a bunch of illegal gambling operators. Banning POGOs doesn’t mean a complete shutdown, as it’s impossible to eradicate entirely, but it will at least minimize the problem. Plus, by ordering a ban, the government positions itself more favorably in the eyes of international speculators, showing that they’re taking action.

It's showing the position of the government but not exactly how it will be, as we all know that even there's already a complete ban there's always a way for those operators to continue doing business as they can just hide and facilitate by corrupting enforcers and provides them offers that they can't resist, if there's a huge amount of money involved there's always a chance that this business will continue, it's impossible to completely ban it unless the government will take down all the corrupt officials which is too hard for sure..

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

Doesn't matter how many prohibitions and regulations authorities create and enforce, illegal gambling will continue existing. If not physically, it will be virtually.

The point is that illegal gambling houses don't force anyone playing there. People gamble because they want. If governments want to fight gambling disfunctional adoption by its citizens, they have to invest in education instead of prohibitions. Enlight people about the dangers and consequences of gambling, and if these are smart people, they won't maintain their frequency in gambling houses like before.

When something is forbidden, but people don't know why it's forbidden, it just encourages them to seek the pleasure for the unknown.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected.

Yeah, there were some news during the past admin that they've operated like drug dens too.

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

Maybe your mayor lack of intel for that pogo and that's why just after a month, it was exposed and raided. Still, a win for the local government there that it was taken down.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 07, 2024, 04:10:39 AM

Quote from: stadus on October 07, 2024, 03:45:27 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

If there are still any operating, it’s likely just a small group, and even their protectors are being cautious now since there's an order from the president to ban POGO. Without protection for the Chinese operators, they'll eventually be gone..not instantly, but slowly and surely. By the way, you should check out "#No More Bets"..it’s a great movie and possibly a real POGO scenario.

But still, how can they still operate when the mayor says that the city was free from illegal POGO's. So obviously, their is some colluding between the illegal POGO operators and then maybe the police and other local officials because they have the courage to even continue to go under illegally even if the President himself declared a total ban already.

As for the movies, yes, I have seen it, and probably it's the closest to the POGO structure being established in the Philippines. Although in the movie it is not and they are Chinese speaking or at last the operatives who dismantle this group is Chinese. But in the end you will see that somewhat there are corrupt officials involved and so it just hint that it will continue despite the crackdown and this could also be true in the Philippines.

We can’t discount that possibility, but they wouldn’t be called POGOs anymore--they’d just be a bunch of illegal gambling operators. Banning POGOs doesn’t mean a complete shutdown, as it’s impossible to eradicate entirely, but it will at least minimize the problem. Plus, by ordering a ban, the government positions itself more favorably in the eyes of international speculators, showing that they’re taking action.

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Quote from: stadus on October 07, 2024, 03:45:27 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

If there are still any operating, it’s likely just a small group, and even their protectors are being cautious now since there's an order from the president to ban POGO. Without protection for the Chinese operators, they'll eventually be gone..not instantly, but slowly and surely. By the way, you should check out "#No More Bets"..it’s a great movie and possibly a real POGO scenario.

But still, how can they still operate when the mayor says that the city was free from illegal POGO's. So obviously, their is some colluding between the illegal POGO operators and then maybe the police and other local officials because they have the courage to even continue to go under illegally even if the President himself declared a total ban already.

As for the movies, yes, I have seen it, and probably it's the closest to the POGO structure being established in the Philippines. Although in the movie it is not and they are Chinese speaking or at last the operatives who dismantle this group is Chinese. But in the end you will see that somewhat there are corrupt officials involved and so it just hint that it will continue despite the crackdown and this could also be true in the Philippines.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 06, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

If there are still any operating, it’s likely just a small group, and even their protectors are being cautious now since there's an order from the president to ban POGO. Without protection for the Chinese operators, they'll eventually be gone..not instantly, but slowly and surely. By the way, you should check out "#No More Bets"..it’s a great movie and possibly a real POGO scenario.

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Quote from: blockman on October 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

These illegal POGOs operated like shabu laboratories in the past, often hidden inside hotels and private subdivisions where they went undetected. Recently, our city mayor declared that our city was free from illegal POGOs. However, just a month later, an illegal POGO was raided, highlighting the authorities’ oversight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 06, 2024, 01:35:26 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 05, 2024, 05:37:44 PM

Mate, I don't know when we'll have those officials again that have the pure heart in serving. Okay, let's give it to the current administration that they're able to take down these POGOs but they are hiding something that somewhere in Cavite, there's still one big politician-backed POGO that still operates in an island there. So, what the government did is just took down a competitor of the other.

I believe so, they just pointed those competitors and established their own, the good catch here is they control the law so they can simply hide those extablishements that still doing the same business, though just for the sake of giving them that compliment as those text promotions are now been limited to none after the president declares his position against illegal POGOs.

As long as they're paying a lot of money to the protectors then they will be protected. Maybe next time we'll see a lot of them being exposed and it's all just a matter of time when. Or when the administration changes and we're in a new governance, they should be fair to all but it's all about how much money their competitors can give to whom who.

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