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Topic: [POLL] Do vaccines kill people? - page 3. (Read 2537 times)

sr. member
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September 27, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
I don't think vaccines kill, it's just that some people who have low immune systems are unable to accept the effects caused by the vaccine so they die.
So how did they end up with a low immune system, shot one done some damage, god f*ck up or your thinking is skewed?
sr. member
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September 27, 2021, 11:56:37 AM
I don't think vaccines kill, it's just that some people who have low immune systems are unable to accept the effects caused by the vaccine so they die.
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 11:39:46 AM
Ahh yes, a random grainy and anonymous sound file. The pinnacle of the scientific process!

This is the kind of thing you base your life on. Honestly, I just feel sorry for anti-vaxxers at this point. How embarrassing.
sr. member
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legendary
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September 27, 2021, 11:22:17 AM
Because you say so? Show us what the CDC really says about those deaths.

Right here:
Over and over it is demonstrated that the so-called 'anti-vaxxers' are far more up-to-speed on the science both from an understanding point of view, and in respect for the scientific process.
Guess we'll have to take you at your word on that, since once again, you provide absolutely zero evidence. Seems like you aren't so up to speed with the "scientific process" as you think. Roll Eyes
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 10:44:40 AM
Openvaers is not 'what the CDC says'. It's another of those websites that some lone lunatic is running from their basement.
This has been pointed out to BADecker several times before. But like all anti-vaxxers, he doesn't care about facts or logic.

Because you say so? Show us what the CDC really says about those deaths. Then apply what they say to Covid deaths, because it works both ways.

They said that 94% of Covid deaths were comorbidities. But then they said that those deaths were still Covid deaths. In a similar way the CDC says the VAERS deaths that are attributed to the vaxxes, are really not vaxx deaths.

Does it feel so good picking and choosing what to believe, as the CDC says it all muddled, every-which-way?

Cool
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
Openvaers is not 'what the CDC says'. It's another of those websites that some lone lunatic is running from their basement.
This has been pointed out to BADecker several times before. But like all anti-vaxxers, he doesn't care about facts or logic.

Over and over it is demonstrated that the so-called 'anti-vaxxers' are far more up-to-speed on the science both from an understanding point of view, and in respect for the scientific process.  The likes of MIT, the UN, doctors briefing congress, etc, will all lament this.

Most 'anti-vaxxers' are in fact engineers, scientists, etc.  That is why high income high-tech sector areas tend to be hot-beds for 'vaccine hesitancy'.  A good engineer can read a narrow medical subject and have more knowledge and familiarity with the available material than 99% of doctors.  The flip side is that most doctors could spend some time learning an arcane programming language and know how to write a program that 99% of software engineers could not manage.  In both cases, the one with the most domain experience could catch up pretty fast if they put some focus on it.

A really fantastic doctor, when confronted with a patient who knows some information that he/she does not, will be pleasantly surprised and impressed.

A good doctor will happily evaluate the info in case they can learn something and be able to practice medicine better.

An average doctor will just move on and not think much about it.

A typical shitty doctor will get all offended because they (correctly) question their own competance and have kind of fooled themselves into the belief that they walk above mortals.  Most doctor are shitty narrow-minded assholes, and most could be steared into participating in a genocide whether they recognize it or not.  That's one of the big lessons of the plandemic.

legendary
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September 27, 2021, 10:20:09 AM
Openvaers is not 'what the CDC says'. It's another of those websites that some lone lunatic is running from their basement.
This has been pointed out to BADecker several times before. But like all anti-vaxxers, he doesn't care about facts or logic.
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 10:12:58 AM
The vaxxes might look good until you look at the other side of what the CDC says... https://openvaers.com/covid-data and https://openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf.

Openvaers is not 'what the CDC says'. It's another of those websites that some lone lunatic is running from their basement. Besides which, anyone can report anything to VAERS, and this is acknowledged in a clear disclaimer...

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The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

If you want to look at Covid data, then look at Covid data. It's not hard to find.

But if you look at a self-reporting system that is then filtered and manipulated by a lone anti-vaxxer masquerading as someone unbiased and competent... don't expect to get sensible results.

legendary
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September 27, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
Probably all vaccines kill a few people at least.
No-one has ever suggested that vaccines are 100% effective and confer immortality. No-one has ever suggested that everyone is a suitable candidate for receiving a vaccine, which is why there is screening of candidates.
Vaccination is not an all-or-nothing question, though. Does taking a tested, approved Covid vaccine on average, in general, confer better protection than doing nothing? Indisputably, yes. Look at the data.


Many people are harmed by all vaxxes.
Please quantify.


Vaxxes might actually work for some people, but good nutrition and hygiene work better.
Being fit and healthy obviously confers an advantage, just not as much as the vaccine. But, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Why not do both? It's not an either/or situation.


Note that the mRNA gene adjustment serum that is call the Covid vaxx, is not really a vaccine at all.
Not sure where you've plucked this one from. Citation needed. Proper citation, not youtube wacko.



The vaxxes might look good until you look at the other side of what the CDC says... https://openvaers.com/covid-data and https://openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf.

But you know all this already.

Cool
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 07:11:04 AM
Leana Wen (born Wen Linyan, Rhodes Scholar, CFR member, CNN go-to for a talking head):

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/JWlOjt2FpeHc/

What she seems to be saying is that she, as a vaxed/marked, will be a super-spreader when _she_ gets the covaids infection, and then put her unvaxxed family at risk.

Ergo, the unvaxxed are a danger to her and other vaxxed people because if she catches the coviads from them she is more of a risk to others due to her vaxxed status.

Left unsaid is why, since the vaxxed are super-spreaders, would she not be more likely to catch it from one of them?  But most people cannot really think about such complexities.

Anyway, I hope people can follow the logic here.  Seems pretty clear that the expectation is that, for a normie, their minds will shut down and go into 'reject further input' mode at first stages of any indication of a need for logical reasoning.  Thus, she and her fellow mainstream normie-land media talking heads can spout off anything they like...and be assumed by the sheeple to be brilliant beacons of light and hope for humanity.  Sadly, it works very well.




Leana Wen is a propagandist who deserves to have whatever phony license she holds revoked. I've never seen someone plastered on TV screens at such a high rate to spread blatant falsehoods.

Per CDC published data, <200 5-11 year olds have died of Covid in 1.5 years, yet this deranged "professional" claims that muzzling of children through usage of surgical face masks should continue unless every child has gotten vaccinated, in addition to low community case load, in addition to *daily* testing.

I always love to point to her when folks say "listen to the experts."

Because this expert not once has cited any data when considering any guidelines related to children, yet she is providing commentary that is meant to be taken seriously. Fear mongering for headlines is her call to fame.

According to the CDC, the flu is deadlier to children than Covid during some aggressive flu seasons. Not my words, the CDC. Wonder if Leana Wen was calling for masking of children during these flu seasons, or daily flu testing. I doubt it.
sr. member
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September 27, 2021, 07:05:23 AM

 
Not entirely agree with the lengthy Spartacus COVID Letter, if anyone interrested here it is:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/damn-you-hell-you-will-not-destroy-america-here-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral
legendary
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September 27, 2021, 06:55:17 AM
Probably all vaccines kill a few people at least.
No-one has ever suggested that vaccines are 100% effective and confer immortality. No-one has ever suggested that everyone is a suitable candidate for receiving a vaccine, which is why there is screening of candidates.
Vaccination is not an all-or-nothing question, though. Does taking a tested, approved Covid vaccine on average, in general, confer better protection than doing nothing? Indisputably, yes. Look at the data.


Many people are harmed by all vaxxes.
Please quantify.


Vaxxes might actually work for some people, but good nutrition and hygiene work better.
Being fit and healthy obviously confers an advantage, just not as much as the vaccine. But, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Why not do both? It's not an either/or situation.


Note that the mRNA gene adjustment serum that is call the Covid vaxx, is not really a vaccine at all.
Not sure where you've plucked this one from. Citation needed. Proper citation, not youtube wacko.

legendary
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https://bpip.org
September 27, 2021, 06:41:17 AM
Timeframe is right in the 5 to 6 month mark.
I say chances are higher then 50% we never hear from him again.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5307207
The Covid "vaccine" is russian roulette.

If you think that everyone who stops posting on this forum is dead then this is a very deadly forum. Survival rate is less than 10% of users who register here and that predates COVID-19 by many years.

I think my poll is more accurate than your estimate.

legendary
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September 27, 2021, 02:11:31 AM
Leana Wen (born Wen Linyan, Rhodes Scholar, CFR member, CNN go-to for a talking head):

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/JWlOjt2FpeHc/

What she seems to be saying is that she, as a vaxed/marked, will be a super-spreader when _she_ gets the covaids infection, and then put her unvaxxed family at risk.

Ergo, the unvaxxed are a danger to her and other vaxxed people because if she catches the coviads from them she is more of a risk to others due to her vaxxed status.

Left unsaid is why, since the vaxxed are super-spreaders, would she not be more likely to catch it from one of them?  But most people cannot really think about such complexities.

Anyway, I hope people can follow the logic here.  Seems pretty clear that the expectation is that, for a normie, their minds will shut down and go into 'reject further input' mode at first stages of any indication of a need for logical reasoning.  Thus, she and her fellow mainstream normie-land media talking heads can spout off anything they like...and be assumed by the sheeple to be brilliant beacons of light and hope for humanity.  Sadly, it works very well.

legendary
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September 27, 2021, 12:52:24 AM
Asking if vaccines are killing people is like asking if oxygen is killing people.

There are good medical products and there are bad products.

https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/

This one (Gardasil) killed tens of thousands of people. If you think all vaccines are good, go find one and stab yourself with it.
sr. member
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Pro financial, medical liberty
September 27, 2021, 12:49:06 AM
Timeframe is right in the 5 to 6 month mark.
I say chances are higher then 50% we never hear from him again.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5307207
The Covid "vaccine" is russian roulette.
legendary
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Merit: 1373
September 27, 2021, 12:10:40 AM
Probably all vaccines kill a few people at least. Many people are harmed by all vaxxes. Vaxxes might actually work for some people, but good nutrition and hygiene work better.

Note that the mRNA gene adjustment serum that is call the Covid vaxx, is not really a vaccine at all.

Cool
legendary
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September 26, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
https://sketchplanations.com/

this site will help :-)

I felt alive, then came to P&S and lost hope for humanity Grin Grin Undecided Grin (just for a sec though)

I felt that people might be breaking free of their pseudo-intellectual jail cells, then a hoard of people like you showed up on the Bitcointalk forum.

Oh well.  The herd is getting stronger in number, more synchronized, and moving faster as it is guided toward the cliff.  Better plans can be made by having a more accurate understanding of the landscape.  So; 'thanks'.

hero member
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Do due diligence
September 26, 2021, 04:49:53 PM
https://sketchplanations.com/

this site will help :-)

I felt alive, then came to P&S and lost hope for humanity Grin Grin Undecided Grin (just for a sec though)
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