Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia - page 3. (Read 7775 times)

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? 

Tyson does have a lot of boot and arse-lickers but I think a lot of fans are also starting to get tired with his demands and taking the lesser fights whilst holding bets up. There's only so much obvious BS even fanboys can handle before they have to admit that it's Fury that is the problem here. Mandatories will be issued if this fight doesn't get done. I believe Usyk already has three lined up - Filip Hrgovic, Joe Joyce and Daniel DuBois. If Usyk doesn't fight Fury then he will probably fight one of those available. Joe Joyce is fighting Zhang Zhilei soon so it'll probably be either Daniel Dubois or Hrgovic. If this fight doesn't actually happen I hope there's an uproar. If the fans don't complain then Fury and other boxers will just continue to do it. If fans still buy the PPVs for these public sparring matches then they'll keep on taking the lesser opponents rather than the challenges. If fans vote with their money then fighters will be reluctant to take the easy route.

Tyson Fury fans are some of the most loyal and defend every action Tyson Fury makes. I know he is a great boxer but I cannot wait until he retires because he is holding up the title and will not fight the people that are the challengers. I think they should make a mandatory fight for Usyk and Fury so that Fury cannot demand crazy amounts of money to fight. He needs to defend his belt and the only person that is a contender atm is Usyk. Another undefeated fighter who wants to fight him. If they do not make this fight because Fury is demanding more money then what? Who is he going to fight that is a worthy contender he has beat every one else. Then he goes and fights some old age boxer and holds up the title again and then in a years time we will hear that Fury and Usyk are talking about a fight again only for Fury to demand crazy money for the fight.

I've never heard that reasoning before. It's true that there might be a small home advantage only psychologically, but it would never result in more pay for the foreign opponent. Everybody knows this fight should be 50/50 but Tyson is being greedy as usual. If he wants a bigger purse superior to Usyk's he should have stuck with the Saudi offer which was likely much more than what Usyk is getting since they negotiate separately with those guys. With that being said, you could also probably argue that Usyk deserves more since he's go more belts but 50/50 would just be the logical way to go. Like I said before, whilst Fury will obviously be the bigger draw in actually bringing fans into the stadium it takes two to tango and the big draw for this fight is that he's fighting another unbeaten fighter with a chance to unify all the belts. Without Usyk he might as well just fight Chisora again if he wants the lions share of the money but fighting bums is never going to bring in the sort of money this fight would.

In my opinion, if the fight is at Wembley, then it would be more logical if Usyk demanded a larger fee, since boxing in the opponent’s home ring is unpleasant and presumably gives an advantage to the opponent.
But in general, I'm not surprised, since events develop exactly in the same logic that I have already described. Fury is a cowardly cunning cunt who will run away from a dangerous opponent for as long as possible (while coming up with various pretexts).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-boxing-29264824

Apparently Tyson has been wanting double the 75 million that AJ got for the Usyk fight and Saudi weren't going to give him that. If this fight falls through I hope Tyson's fans turn on him because it's all his fault. Usyk has already agreed his deal and was happy with it but it now looks like it's going to have to be at Wembley but Fury isn't wanting to give 50/50 because he's arguing that he's a bigger draw so Usyk could walk away. True, he is a bigger draw in the UK but Usyk also have three belts to Fury's one, not to mention it takes two to tango and without an opponent Fury is nothing anyway unless he's going to shadowbox himself to an empty ring at Wembley. This fight should be 50/50 or Tyson should stop messing about and take the 75 million he likely got offered to do it in the middle east. Tyson will probably end up fighting some bum again since it looks like they've already got Wembley booked or at least 'pencilled in' as they say. My only hope if they've got Francis Ngannou lined up as a back up which would be a worthy replacement in my opinion.

According to YouTube, mega mansions cost more than 4 million GBP. https://www.youtube.com/@EnesYilmazer/videos check out yourself 10-15 millions seems like a starting point only. According to google, he had earned 15-25 millions per every fight in last years. 4 millions for mega mansion sounds modestly. From his media accounts it is hard to say he is living wasteful way of life. Nice and flashy suits, probably spends on alco a lot. But he is not covered with diamonds, expensive watches, yachts and luxury cars. As he does not spend a lot, have a lot of money, does not need money yet wants them. Indeed a strange person.

Nobody wants to see that. Nobody wanted to see the Chisora fight either but it's sad when fighters get greedy and just take the easier option and that's probably what will happen here if the Usyk fight falls through. It might be now or never for this fight though as well as they can't keep holding up the divisions. Fury will have to fight the winner of Wilder/Ruiz and Usyk has three mandatories lined up including Daniel Dubois and I think Joe Joyce. I don't think fights like AJ or Usyk would be too much to worry Fury either so just make them happen. Sure, they won't be easy and anything can happen but they're worth putting that zero on the line. I think I'd like to see those two along with Joe Joyce and Ngannou.


If it was about legacy then the fights would just happen regardless of money. You can't even argue it's about money either as the huge sums are there, just not huge enough for Fury. Also, as Fury has said many times he will fight people for free, but we all know that's bullshit. If it was true then I'd love to see a fight where they give all the money away to charity or something.


Tyson seems to be a lot of contradictions. It's normal for 90%+ of people to buy flashy things when they've got wealth. Personally, I wouldn't buy shit like Gucci even if I was a billionaire, but I would like a nice house.  Seems he's planning to build a £4 million mega mansion: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21362673/tyson-fury-mansion-bats/

Which looks to be more of the sort of house I would expect someone with his wealth to live in. Nothing wrong with that, but drop all this I don't care about money or I'll fight them for free nonsense.

There are different readings we could give to what is happening, the most simple one is that this is about the money, and it could be true, maybe Fury is just being greedy and he wants as much money as possible, another possibility is they are trying to hype the fight even more by making it seem as if the fight is at risk of not happening, but this is not needed for us as we would watch the fight no matter what, however it is also possible Fury considers the negotiations as part of the fight already and he is doing all of this in order to push Usyk psychologically and to try to get into his head, but whatever the case I hope the fight happens as it is the logical fight for both of them.

If you had the talent like Fury I think you would try to make the most of having a skill that pays a lot of money with. Fury might not have any other skills and he only knows boxing. Boxing skills decline with age and you lose your ability to move around like you used to. He might have that in his mind because he has a lot of kids and a wife to look after. I do not know his net worth because I have never looked at it but I doubt he has made enough money to secure his family beyond his children. If he can get a big fight like Usyk he can maybe add to the security of his children and when they have children. I must say when you are a parent you think differently and you want to do the best for your children. I understand if that is the motivation for Fury because I do not think it is money alone.

I guess when boxers started to make a name for themselves, then started to feel somewhat greedy and obviously wanted to get more on every fight. So he is more greedy in his career, he has received tons of millions of dollars and wanted to keep it that way. I can only speculate that the fight with Klitschko rematch didn't materialized because this is the start wherein Fury was somewhat very unstable mentally. Again, maybe having a lot of money makes him go spiral downward and just snap in time to bounce back and have a second win in his career and now back on top. And this is the second time he experience it and probably will not want to waste this and so just fighting for his biggest paycheck every time.

Sometimes, I feel like I care more about Fury keeping his zero, and fighting the remaining challenges than he does himself. Which, is quite frustrating. I don't want to see him fight another mediocre fighter. I want to see him against the only two logical fighters, beat them, and then retire.

Yeah, it also baffles me. The only excuse would be creating a legacy other than that, I'd make my money, and probably dip out if it was actively harming my health. Although, I suppose they do love the sport, and when you're passionate about something you'll go to great lengths. If you're passionate about boxing, which a lot of them are they find it hard to let go. I understand that. I'm not that much in love with a sport to have that commitment, but I am when it comes down to certain things. So, I sort of understand it.

Fury is a oddball, and I mean to say that with respect. He's sort of flashy from time to time, like the typical travelers he's got a nice caravan, and all that. However, he lives in a somewhat normal house, and does normal things. He still lives in his hometown I believe, and actively trains there too. So, he's definitely humble, and less flashy than someone like Floyd for example.

Sure, Fury could also earn a lot of money just fighting a random bum off the street, but he's not going to get as much as the Usyk unification. Tyson is just being greedy now and this is what causes so many fights to fall through. He's already been offered what is likely a career high payday from the middle east but apparently he wants the same as what AJ got for the Usyk fight which is 75 million apparently. Now they're talking about having it in the UK at Wembley but Usyk might not agree to that as he wants a 50/50 split and he isn't going to be getting that and likely probably not even half of what the middle east offered him. If it's at Wembley it will pretty much be the Tyson Fury show and he will be making all the demands. He'll probably just end up fighting some bum now given they've got a date at Wembley pencilled in and I really can't see Usyk being happy with that especially as Fury is making out that it shouldn't be a 50/50 split because he's a bigger draw in the UK.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-promoter-responds-furys-demands-this-sports-go-hollywood-if-you-want-kind-money--172493
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-fight-29210727

We can argue indefinitely since we can't get inside Fury's head and see what he's thinking. But for me the version that he is overly greedy looks more unlikely compared to the version that he is cunning. Especially if you remember how he ran away from revenge with Klitschko. For me, these are all links in the same chain, and by the way, I'm not saying that only Fury behaves like this - this is the norm for boxing, no matter how sad it may be.

Well why not get a huge payday and then fight for all the belts? So for sure there is this element of money, everyone is after there paycheck, millions to be set for life for him and his family. Even the loser Anthony Joshua will fight because as he has said the motivation is money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdkYNLXbhg

Yes, being unified HW champion is one for the history books for Fury, but if there is one big reason to push for this fight, it could be bigger money in the line.

Exactly. I get that they have to prolong and stall his biggest fights to make more money and better prepare him but at this point everything is so redundant that it's almost annoying, although for me really I feel like they are painting Chisora to be his Antithesis and thus they get promos more often. And even though I don't really care for his antics, I get why they need to do all of that. As for this fight, I have my bets placed on Fury, mostly because I don't really know who Usyk is lmao, but also because I know how powerful and hungry Fury is. Just wish they don't do him dirty this time.

I don't think we should take into account the issue of money here at all, with his popularity and the hype around his persona, Fury will be able to earn (if he needs it) even in exhibition fights. And in general, he no longer suffers from a lack of money 
In the end, it remains: to take all 4 belts and defeat the invincible Usyk and go down in history in the way he dreamed against losing his belts and destroying the entire career that he had built all his life. This bet looks like an all-in bet. I don't like all-ins 

I always find it bizarre when people with unimaginable wealth just don't retire and sail off into the sunset. That goes for everyone across the board but it's especially bad with boxers. The big ones make enough money to retire off one fight. Like how much money do you need? Fury probably has enough money to buy an island and build a mega mansion on it but he's haggling for even more out of what is already likely to be his highest pay day of his career.

What is baffling to me is Fury doesn't really seem that materialist or flashy. I mean, sure he's got a couple Gucci shirts and man-bags, but his house is pretty modest given the insane amount of money he makes. Unless he's planning to build a mansion on an island or retire his great great grandkids why do they need all this money? Sure, take what you can get but not at the expense of stalling a fight to squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Usyk has agreed a fee and signed on the dotted line so Tyson should just take whatever they offered him which is probably already a lot more than what Usyk is getting. If this fight falls through I hope all Fury's fans turn on him because this stuff is getting ridiculous.



I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

Maybe because just doing it is not so easy? It is obvious to me that Fury understands that defeating Usyk will not be easy, and in case of defeat, the whole image of the "great champion Fury" will be completely destroyed. The stakes are incredibly high, aren't they? And judging objectively, a victory over Usyk will give Fury less than a defeat from Usyk will take away from him, that is, it is mathematically beneficial for Fury that this fight does not take place at all. Plus, do not forget that Usyk is two years older than Fury, which means that time works for Fury. Everything is simple.