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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 15, 2023, 11:01:43 AM

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Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight Roll Eyes

Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something Grin

. Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

It's not funny, it's pathetic. Only the blind can't see Fury coming up with all sorts of excuses to avoid a fight. To be honest, I have already “let go” of this situation and I don’t care whether the fight will take place or not, as I already wrote, but the fact that some Fury fans pretend that “everything is fine and Fury didn’t put shit in his own pants” is a little surprising.

And yes, in an ideal world, I would like Usyk to win and offer Fury 5% or some fixed amount for a rematch with the words "bags are not worth more", but unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Sometimes third-rate athletes get world PR and recognition, even in football where you can’t shy away from opponents.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 14, 2023, 12:36:20 PM

Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight Roll Eyes

Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something Grin

. Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

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That is life when it comes to business and business dealings, it is all about money. Sure there is prestige at stake as well as a history-in-the-making event such as a unification fight but if the correct money is not on the table or if the split is not acceptable the fight will not go ahead.

Until they actually get it on in the ring, I suppose we will have to keep on reading those funny comments from Fury to keep us busy Grin

Quote from: yazher on March 15, 2023, 03:22:31 AM

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 14, 2023, 05:30:01 PM

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

Again is all about how to split the money and this is the reason why most fights such as this one never really happen till now. They really need to make this fight as soon as possible and if they really want it to happen, it will gonna happen considering the fight that will gonna take place this May between Garcia and Davis. We see that they are the only ones who are not serious about it for whatever reasons they have, people are tired to hear it and if they wanted not to fight, they could have just been silent about it not to make any hype for a fight that will never gonna happen anyway.

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Whether it was Jordan or Usyk, he made comments in true Tyson Fury fashion, he said: "I can’t wait, I’m in the best shape of my life, I’m fucking ready to rock and troll, I wish it was this weekend. Usyk you gappy-teeth, ugly, bug-eyed, rabbit, cat, ugly piece of s***, you are getting knocked the f*** out"

Whether it is 70/30 with or without the £1 million donation or any other split, most fans are tired of the delay and simply want to see the unification fight to take place.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 11, 2023, 03:19:18 AM

So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

And if there's no deal made, then WBA will have to ordered Usyk to fight Dubois, there are even news that the rematch clause has been disputed by Fury's camp. Could be true that this is clearly a duck on Tyson's part. And I wouldn't be surprised if this fight is not going to happen.

It will be finger pointing after this, and guess what, he will proceed to fight another B-level fighter and continue to dodge Usyk, hehehe.

Yeah, most likely some fans of his can't justify his behavior right now.

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Well, after Fury's financial conditions were satisfied, and now he comes up with new excuses (the option of a rematch, which was originally included in the contract by Fury's team), does anyone else doubt that he is a cowardly piece of shit?
Guys, seriously, give me another version of why Fury is trying to avoid a fight Roll Eyes

Usyk's team and Usyk himself are already openly mocking Fury's cowardice.

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So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

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Friends, how long can you talk about money and not notice the elephant in the room? Roll Eyes

50/50, 60/40 (even if Fury loses and gets 40) it's always many times more than Fury will get for a few fights with bums. The bottom line is that Fury is a coward and runs from Usyk just like he ran from Klitschko, although now Fury is no longer young himself, so this is a dangerous tactic and can work against him.
As a whole, I don’t care if the fight takes place and who wins in it - Fury has already disgraced himself. Serial coward, one of the most pathetic champions.

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Now Tyson is offering Usyk 30% Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aqcvR7e-xGw

Quote from: Welsh on March 10, 2023, 11:44:16 AM

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

It's usually always the boxers. Promoters just want the most money and if fights don't get made they get nothing. This Usyk fight is probably the biggest money-spinner for Fury right now and will earn ten times as much as fighting someone like Chisora or Whyte again. Fury's ego is obviously getting involved as well though. I think he got offered what AJ did for the Usyk fight but Fury thinks he's worth much more than that and wanted double because he thinks he's worth double AJ. Now he's going to end up with a pittance in comparison if he just fights some randomer. He should have just taken the Saudi money which would already have been the most he was going to get. HE says he doesn't care about money or legacy but he clearly does. And there's nothing wrong with that but don't chat shit about how you don't care about these things.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 09, 2023, 04:33:11 AM

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

I'm a massive fan of Tyson, I've got his books, watched his documentaries, and I watch every single fight of his. The issue I have is, he always portrays that he doesn't care about his legacy or money, when that's obviously a blatant lie. I wish he was just a little more honest at times, and I don't doubt that the Joshua vs Fury fight was cancelled due to Fury, since from that point on there's been multiple accusations thrown by a couple of different people that he's the one that holds the fights up.

I used to think it was the promoters trying to milk the cow a little, and not wanting the riskier fights. However, I think my view of that has changed, at least when involving Fury. I don't know if it's confidence with Fury though, I think he's rather confident going into the fight against Usyk, I just think he's trying to get as much money as possible knowing he won't be doing this forever.

Although, he already has a ton of money that I could happily retire on tomorrow. I just wished, he'd do the fans a service take a 60/40, and deliver what the fans want to watch. I love him as a boxer, I love the banter he brings, but I certainly don't like his business practices.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 10, 2023, 07:48:22 AM

It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

Maybe he is not that confident to really beat a supposedly CW? 50/50 or even 60/40 seems to be fair offer by Usyk and his team, but maybe he doubt himself and just to make sure even if he loses, he will get the most money out of that fight. That scenario is possible, Fury opting for another tune up, easy money, instead of Usyk, so it's the risk reward ratio for him. Usyk though seems to be still training and there are tweets saying that one strategy for him is to get bigger, or at least gain some weight for the Fury fight.

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It looks like Tyson Fury took not just the WBC from Wilder but the being a duck champion as well. I remember when duck Wilder became the WBC champ and all the remaining belts were already held by Wlad and were denied a chance to become the first ever undisputed in the 4-belt era. Now Fury also has the chance to deny Usyk not just the undisputed heavyweight championship but also the chance to become the first undisputed in 2 divisions.

It's possible that Fury wants Usyk to become inactive for about a year. Fury can drag this out until April or May and when the sanctioning belts or Usyk will try to book for another opponent, Fury will accept the deal and schedule this fight around July or August.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 08, 2023, 06:49:28 PM

Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

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Well it was revealed by Alexander Krassyuk promoter of Usyk, that Fury and his camp turns down a 50/50 split, meaning Fury is asking for the bigger pie obviously. And then they said 60/40 for the winner of the fight?

But still Fury turn it down, so whoever we believed right not, still boils to numbers, and how much Fury is going to make in this fight. It's not like there is money in the table, and everyone agree to split in in the middle or the other camp got the bigger pie. Fury is looking for a specific numbers in this fight according to Krassyuk. And with this revelation, the negotiation has hit a wall.

https://twitter.com/IFLTV/status/1633425814657146884

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 21, 2023, 09:44:12 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 21, 2023, 05:15:34 PM

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? Grin

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

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I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money Grin

Sounds true, right?

Sounds true, yes, but I don't think what he had gone through all those years were made up simply because he wanted to avoid Klitschko. He faced Klitschko in the first place and won. So why would he be afraid, concocting stories only to excuse himself from facing somebody who he has already defeated unanimously? Those depression struggles, drug addiction, among other problems I cannot confirm whether true or not, but it was indeed true that when the rematch didn't happen, Fury wasn't just inactive for months or even a year. He was inactive for 3 years.

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Quote from: Welsh on February 22, 2023, 02:26:49 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 11:57:17 AM

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

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I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money Grin

Sounds true, right?

Did he shamefully avoid a rematch though? It's quite clear he was going off the rails at that point, and I wouldn't call that avoiding the fight. He was in serious trouble during that time, and it makes sense. Once you've achieved something you've aimed for your whole life, all that adrenaline, and motivation is gone. That's hard to get over, especially since he effectively reached the very heights of boxing.

I'm wondering whether all this stalling is because he's afraid of that happening again. If he did beat Usyk, realistically it's only Joshua left, and I think he makes easy work of that. He'd effectively would've beat everyone in his division. Part of his recovery was he looked beyond Klitschko, and there were options. If he beats Usyk, and Joshua there's ultimately no one else to prove himself against.

Also, I do believe that quotes a little out of context, he would've got laid out, and he believes that because he was in such a bad state. Nothing to do with him fighting again with a good state of mind, he was just off the rails already at that point.

In my opinion it was shameful, yes. And by the way, that whole story was 100% shit (unfortunately, boxing historically has such background). Do you remember that Fury was caught using nandrolone? And the whole situation with the mystical wild boar meat from which nandrolone got into Fury? He was not disqualified only because if this happened, Klitschko would have sued the federation for allowing a boxer with a positive doping test to fight him. And then there was cocaine (with a ridiculous period of suspension) and the refusal of doping control in 2016 for which Fury was not punished at all.
Please don't make me think about it again Cry

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 22, 2023, 11:57:17 AM

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

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I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money Grin

Sounds true, right?

Did he shamefully avoid a rematch though? It's quite clear he was going off the rails at that point, and I wouldn't call that avoiding the fight. He was in serious trouble during that time, and it makes sense. Once you've achieved something you've aimed for your whole life, all that adrenaline, and motivation is gone. That's hard to get over, especially since he effectively reached the very heights of boxing.

I'm wondering whether all this stalling is because he's afraid of that happening again. If he did beat Usyk, realistically it's only Joshua left, and I think he makes easy work of that. He'd effectively would've beat everyone in his division. Part of his recovery was he looked beyond Klitschko, and there were options. If he beats Usyk, and Joshua there's ultimately no one else to prove himself against.

Also, I do believe that quotes a little out of context, he would've got laid out, and he believes that because he was in such a bad state. Nothing to do with him fighting again with a good state of mind, he was just off the rails already at that point.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 21, 2023, 09:44:12 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 21, 2023, 05:15:34 PM

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? Grin

I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

You better remember how Fury shamefully avoided a rematch with Klitschko, and by the way, he later admitted that Klitschko would have dumped him on canvas:

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I wasn’t about to get laid out on the canvas by Klitschko for money. That’s what would’ve happened.

https://www.givemesport.com/1419365-tyson-fury-reveals-struggles-prior-to-his-cancelled-rematch-with-wladimir-klitschko-in-2016/

But depression prevented him and no money interested him. And now he is only interested in money, and although "he can easily beat Usyk," he avoids the fight because there is not enough money Grin

Sounds true, right?

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 21, 2023, 05:15:34 PM

These are just my thoughts, nothing more, I do not claim that it should be so exactly, but it seems logical to me. In addition, if you look at the history of boxing, then long ago a home fight gave a more significant advantage due to the bias of judges, the public, etc. that's probably why I myself am biased about the fight at Wembley.

By the way, no news? Or has Fury already chosen some bum for himself? Grin

There won't be any news until the fight either gets signed or Usyk walks away because Fury will probably be desperately trying to either persuade Usyk to take a pay cut to do it at Wembley or persuade Saudi to cough up more money for the fight if he hasn't already burned his bridges with them. Usyk probably already isn't happy with having to walk away from the huge sum from Saudi to Tyson's offer of 60/40 for Wembley so he'd be quite right to put his foot down especially because it's Tyson fault the fight can't happen in Saudi.

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I don't want to think that Fury is avoiding Usyk. If he didn't avoid the Bronze Bomber way back when he was undefeated and felled almost every single opponent cold, I don't find any reason why he should be avoiding Usyk. Or is he now losing his being a fighter and chooses to protect his untarnished record more? I hope the two will face each other and give the fans the fight they wish for.

Anyway, I agree that home advantage is a considerable advantage. It can't be underestimated, although it could also be a double-edged sword.

I don't think Fury is avoiding him, he's just being very greedy and is wanting everything on his own terms which Usyk isn't going to be happy with and that's the only reason this fight falls through. Like you said, I don't think Usyk would be more of a threat than Wilder, though is probably a better fighter defensively, but there's little worry of Uysk getting a KO so the only way he wins is on points most likely.

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