Topic: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 11. (Read 9788 times)

If we assume that the main advantages of AI are in the rapid processing of huge amounts of information, then we must think that AI can be successful in live betting - due to the rapidly changing situation on the playing field, there will always be distortions in the odds that AI can quickly see and use.
The question is that this AI needs its own "eyes" - if you rely on people who first see, then enter some information into the database, then for live betting it is too slow. Plus, I'm sure that AI itself will highlight new parameters that people don't see now when it has its own "eyes".

Well, it is currently the law that casinos have a lot of security and that they continue to invest in security, as far as I am concerned, all the rise of AI that awoke up to now is because the osas were already being done before, only when things are already obsolete can they release it to the world and the world marvels at such things, but still things with the AI are not that advanced, not yet, because no player until now has been able to beat a casino using the AI, as I said before, the only The way that I see the ability of an AI to help a player is in the predictions of sports events and games, because an AI can store certain data that is used to make the player or bettor win, because the statistics and calculations that the AI does They are much faster than what you do as a human, an AI does it in seconds and if you want to use any kind of mathematical modeling it does it too and without any equivocation, then I can at least see that a player or bettor can use the AI as a possible help tool to place your bets, but not that you place the bets and win and have a 100% effectiveness rate, however, the casinos, the excahnges, all have to invest a lot of money in their security, because it is currently vital.

There are many people who are now learning AI, there are many courses and well, this is an innovation and many things can be done with AI, but if a person wants to learn AI to make an algorithm that can win a casino, they are very far from that, The casino has a lot of internal security, and that should stay that way, because when it comes to security, the casino cannot stop investing and whatever it takes they should do it, because there are players who have a lot of money in their accounts, the whales and all Those big players have their money there, so direct responsibility if that money is stolen or something belongs to the casino, nobody else, then things are like that because they should be like that.

everything that is based online does not have a secure nature, even if it is a world wide large platform, of course there will always be gaps in it. that the reason the development team at a casino will always carry out security improvements every few months or once a few weeks with the aim as you said to investigate anything suspicious that could harm the casino. and Im also very sure that even though I previously said that sometimes there is a team that violates casino rules to take advantage of loopholes to create their own AI, but surely a team that really has great trust will definitely do a hard job to always fight against AI of all kinds in the long run. long can beat the house.

Yes, big companies or well-known online casinos can experience leaks because we know nothing can be safe. Perhaps it's safe for now, but we don't know if it will still be safe in the future or if there will be a leak. For this reason, the team at the casino must be vigilant at all times to ensure that the casino is truly safe and that nothing endangers its business. And even if there is something suspicious, the team from the casino will immediately investigate it before something suspicious destroys the system. And if it is because of an AI trying to beat the casino, the casino will try hard to keep up with it so that victory remains on its side.

exactly
even with thir parties like those companies that handle kyc for big ones
some say that your data is deleted afterwards but there's no real way to know.

creating an AI to benefit of leeks really depends on the leek, sounds a bit more like fiction than reality at this moment, how would it possibly work?

for me, this is not ridiculous, but it is a fact that sometimes big companies or well established online casinos still have leaks in any way, even the system in it, because not everyone can be trusted, even a team that is highly trusted, one day if you experience pressure for something, they will definitely do something. breaking the rules. probably not leak the system but will be used personally to get bigger profits as we talked about here before and could have been used to create AI to benefit from the leak.

good point
also take into account that some games you're playing against the house directly and others are more PvP with the house maintaining its edge
different styles

slots would be more only agaisnt the house, as an example

I think it's more worthwhile to use that time, skills, and attention to solve a problem in the real world.

You are way more likely to earn a lot of money doing that, compared to trying to win against the casino.

And you need to know that even though this simple scheme has been tried millions of times by many people, there must be someone who succeeds in implementing it because some of them are lucky.

But hey, if you know a programming language, it will be easy to exploit. It's not for the layman who doesn't know anything about the bugs of the casino, but for the ones who do, they'll spend their time looking for those bugs. It will be more challenging for them and not because of the gambling game but because finding the bug is a real challenge for them.

A casino is like a company where many eyes are watching it. But of the many watching eyes, there must be eyes that only look for weaknesses in a system, and they want to use the system for their benefit. Otherwise, we would not have heard of any leaks within the company in much of the news. But it's okay if you think of it as something ridiculous

Let's just not forget that the house has the edge in the long run over all players combined. One particular player can lose everything to the house, not only the house edge, all his money. Another can win 1,000x of his bets combined, even in the long run. The probability of that is low, but if you have billions of players thing with extremely low probability can happen to some of them.

AI might help some people to have an edge over the others, but not over the casino. And, of course, even betting with the help of AI, we should play responsibly, you are right.

What he says is very true, in fact I am sure that at these times there are many people working on the AI making a particular algrothmian improve himself and take many things to make a caisno fall, beat him, but of course this is not easy, anyone who If you are working on a robot, you will have to defeat an algorithm that is based on or random, and this is not Easy to do , there would be many possibilities to achieve it, in particular for me it is something that I do not see Possible for now , Besides everything This is based on Blockchain technology and it is very difficult to violate, until now there is no way to do it , Everything is pending Technology and Everything about AI, which for many is a constant fashion, the scope of AI they are very large, only now they are being used for other purposes, so all this has to be taken into consideration with what you are trying to do, just an example with ChatGPT, many things began to be done with that and They continue to do it, they are on version 4 of GPT4 and what it can still do is other new functions, such as drawing, making small videos, most of them Marvel at things that are of that style because it is obviously new , and everyone now uses ChatGPT to do more Tasks or things that Previously cost an Investigation or something similar.

When it comes to money , I think that people set their sights high in order to Achieve their goals , and this is something that they come up with and they even Achieve it, because they give a lot of dedication to this, and when it comes to a casino , Not the players , but those who have the Ability to win things in a bad way and by cheating are activated by doing all kinds of robots to see if they can break the normal security that there is always in a casino ,  what happens is that the casinos too They have their Security Issues so that an AI can break them.

So Currently you have to be very Careful , there will be many Scammers who claim to sell robots to get money from a casino or offers like that so that they can be treated as such in order to make a profit, that will be Something that will come.

Do you really think that these simple-minded schemes haven't been tried a million times over? Sure, when there's a lot of money, weak people might waver, and some people... well, they’re just born losers. However, those who are sharp-eyed (not me) always see through the nonsense

You talk about bugs in the system as if exploiting them is as easy as ordering a coffee. Let me tell you something; only a fool would try to exploit a major system without expecting to get caught. Maybe in some little backstreet operation, but the big players? They're on top of their game

This idea of employees scheming to make a quick buck and then disappearing sounds more like a cheap novel plot than reality. Trust me, in high-stakes environments like big casinos, there are too many eyes and too many checks in place. Your assumption about it depending on internal relationships is laughable at best. It's all about power and control, and those who don't have it always end up on the losing side

Yes, because of money, people get greedy and want to get it even though they already have money. It is normal for a person to want more money, but what is not normal is for him to want more money and use illegal means to get it. And later, he could experience difficulties in his life, especially if he has to deal with the authorities and has to be held accountable. So using AI to predict results might be applicable in the future, especially if the technology is more advanced than now. And maybe now someone can already use AI to predict the outcome of matches.

well, that what I mean even though greed can affect a person mindset and because of this money thing supports someone to do things that do not need to be done but they ignore it just for profit because in the long run if each uses AI that has been designed by the employee of course will be detected by other teams and immediately investigated and if it is caught who is the mastermind behind all the chaos will definitely be punished even someone who created the AI will get the most severe punishment.

although the big casinos in the short term do not really care about the losses that have been lost by the AI but gradually the casinos will take another team to investigate the case until it is seen who is the creator of the AI and will be punished and also fined a large amount of course.
but if the person only uses it occasionally just to get additional profits, not every day, it seems that in the long run it does not really matter because they know every weakness of the system at the casino.

Even if something like that would happen, then the AI systems of the casinos would integrate that singular experience into their model, and it won't happen again.

So, in the unlikely scenario that someone manages to get an AI system to get way more realistic odds than what the casino has, and manages to get a win, that will get patched soon basically.

It's how casinos have evolved over time, that's why they added the 00 in the roulette, they wanted to increase their chances to win.

Getting your point, anything is possible when we are dealing with money, like what you mentioned people change when there's huge money involved, in terms of teams who will develop and AI that may beat the casino, internal exploit is possible as they know what they are trying to break, though they will not expose themselves and let someone to use it, but again, it's money and people can be greed to exploit themselves and being caught then things will be burn everything and those people behind will be punished.

When it comes to a lot of money, people can change immediately and want to control their money so that can happen. And a very hard work atmosphere can make teamwork fall apart and create new problems internally, which will affect the performance of all teams. Especially if someone feels jealous and knows there is a bug in the system, they may use the system for their needs to earn more money besides getting their salary.

But of course the employee will not try it with his account but will order or ask someone close to him to try it under his direction. And when it does, they'll take the money and probably quit their jobs with the money. But for big casinos, it doesn't happen but it depends on the internal relations of fellow employees.

Well, not trying to discourage you as I understand that what you are planning on embarking on could be a big adventure for you, even of it ends up not being profitable, but all I can say is that, you should consider this, like I've said, an adventure and be ready to lose money for it, Ai technologies are still very young, and even if they will be able to correctly predict the outcome of some sports games in the future, that future is not now, right now, I personally believe that any body engaging Ai technologies in sports betting should be ready to lose money in the process, if there was ways to test the Ai for how accurate or correct they can be in sports betting, without committing money at first, I would have advised that a test be done for some time before trusting Ai judgment of the outcome of any sports, this is just to avoid unnecessary loses.

I am currently in progress of trying to get results on match/fight predictions with chatGPT4. It takes some prompt hacking and when i get some free time i'll post results. If i get good results, i guess just have to find free time to code a bot that automates results.

I am not sure what you are talking about, there are numerous of them, some are free to use, some are not. I am guessing that quality of their "AI" varies a lot. I put "AI" on quotes as people are calling any old program AI these days.

And since meta released their AI as open source, i am pretty sure people have coded their own bots.

I do not know the details of how employees or teams work in a casino, but surely it has happened. I mean we all do not know how a team or employees work in a casino, but remembering that humans are always greedy with money, of course this has been done, its just that we do not really know about it all.

it makes sense when a team or employee tries to create their own AI to beat the casino taking advantage of system weaknesses and trying to use other people accounts to test whether AI can work properly and of course not using their own family account, of course the casino can easily find out .
I also think that the AI created by the team itself to make a profit from the casino one day changes hands or someone leaks about the AI, which is also very risky because it violates the rules of the casino employees themselves. but I hope this does not happen too much in a big casino