Topic: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 14. (Read 9788 times)

what if there's a way to count cards that is undetectable?
have you heard of this memorization technique called memory palace?
if a person can remember a full deck of cards in less than a minute they can probably count cards and memorize it without being detected...

Correct, you can use it as a basis but the final decision should always be depending with how you understand the advantages and the chances that it will going to work and it will give you a better outcome, that should be it on how we look from what the technology is offering.


Good comparison, you are using AI to confirm what you think is better with your possible pick, same with asking for additional insight with a friend, but the final decision will remain depends on how you take it and how you choose which team or player to bet on, still all on you to finalize your bet.

That's how we use advanced technological tools: we must always have the last word, right? The machines can help us, but we should never rely on them completely.


Submitting a text written by AI and using AI to help you decide whether to bet with particular odds or not are two different things. In the case of sports betting you don't have to provide the description of the process or something like that, you just make your bet, that's all. There's basically nothing to analyze except the size of your bet and the result. The tool you are talking about is impossible to make, imo. But that's not even the point. In sports betting it is not forbidden to use an advice from your friend, right? And I don't see how it's different from the advice from AI.

Quantum computers are getting really close.

Australia is doing a lot in that space lately, this is from January 19, 2023:


Of course they want to sell their thing, but real advances are being made, faster and faster, specially in the last few years.

Thank you very much for bringing it, what happens is that I name quantum technology because I know that combined with AI it can give very good results, they have not yet released the first version of a quantum PC, at that moment I don't think it will win if the blockchain system does not beat a casino system by any means, but in the end I know that more advances can be made, for now things are pure fashion towards AI, and everything is for AI, but you cannot give details about the AI that is advanced, on the contrary it is in beta mode, which means that there is so much to correct that an AI cannot defeat any system, in theory it can, another thing is practice.

According to what I have read about Chatgpt-4, it takes data from the web, I don't know how to filter the data and make it credible and reliable, it could be that it has many verification algorithms, but even so I think it is still very unstable, not to predict, or maybe if and that functionality is not available, then maybe not now, but I know that in the future AI will be one of the tools to be careful, and even afraid, because the epr You will be happy with how fair they can be, especially when it comes to choosing a ruler , because as an AI it can become so impartial and fair , it could be considered right? But of course I think I'm getting too far ahead of myself , things in casinos with AI are not Completely perfect for now , a lot of development is Needed.

Counting cards at casinos gives you a better chance than not doing it, so it is actually banned at casinos.

If they see you doing it you will be escorted out. You still have less chances than the casino to win, but they don't like you to put yourself in a more favorable position compared to the average person.

The same would apply to using AI enhanced tech to place your bets I reckon.

Odds are odds and the bookmakers don’t care what you are using to place your bets. Most of the time they’re taking a cut win or lose, so they couldn’t care less if you found some secret to using AI to win every sporting bet you make. As the entity taking bets, they just want to see more volume. I wouldn’t be surprised if gambling sites starting implementing AI helpers to help build bets for customers in the future.

You can always just get your information from a machine that is crunching the numbers somewhere.

It's hard to ban any kind of "enhanced play" if done subtlety 

It just depends on the gambler's decision to accept the adviser's advice or use the results of his analysis. But usually, if one way has been proven to give win, it will make people interested in trying it because they want to see that success or win come to them. But if that one way is not proven, they will not try it even though maybe the advice from the advisor is already good and has a higher chance. This is about the psychology of gamblers from seeing the results obtained by other gamblers who have used it. If the results are good, they are interested in trying it. But if they don't, they won't want to try it.

if the calculations are made offline let's say and a human applies the bets without software then you simply can't
you could let's say ban softwares and automations but there's no way to ban like an adviser be it a human or an AI one, doesn't matter

While on the surface it may seem that it is impossible to catch a gambler making use of such technology, I have no doubts casinos could develop a way to do so.

For example they have the data of tens of thousands of users on their servers, then they could develop a statistical model which indicates which users are not using such tool and which users are suspicious of doing so, and we have something similar to this already, when ChatGPT was developed many feared that students will cheat to write their reports, but soon enough tools were developed to catch the cheaters, and I suppose a similar tool could be developed for a gambling AI.

In this matter, I mean if you'll going to use the power of AI in this manner then there's no way that it will be ban, and probably this is a good use of an AI system requesting access or information with the details regarding to what are the current stats and the injury list of certain teams or what are the information regarding the overall performances of each individual or players that you are aiming to place your bet.

And on that last note regarding to whether to follow the recommendation or not, it's still you that in control so there's nothing that I can see that it will be ban, still human knowledge but with the help of AI to provide additional information.

How can you ban something like this? Although, maybe we see how to use AI to predict outcomes differently? I see it like this. You promt it to search for the needed info, like injuries of the main players, health and legal issues, their probable replacement, everything that affect the outcome of the game, and then you ask whether making a bet with a certain odds makes sense, right? And you either accept its advice or you don't. How can you ban such an adviser?

If you do not want to make use of such tool then no one can make you do so, however it is clear that gamblers in general will try, an AI is just a tool and while you can live without it, if the benefits that it offers are high enough then it is clear that it will become massively used.

Personally I think that if at some point a gambler develops an AI like this and eventually they get banned by casinos due to the edge they get, eventually this software may make it to the hands of gamblers all over the world, and if that is the case then you will find yourself at a massive disadvantage, compared to those which are willing to use such tool.

I don't know about other people, but I personally believe that I cannot gamble using artificial intelligence; instead, I utilize my own thoughts and whatever gambling-related analyses that may be available. I don't believe in utilizing AI in gambling, thus even in the poll I chose no because I don't think it will be in favour, in my opinion. If I use AI to predict games seriously, my mind won't be at rest like it is when I use my own ideas in gambling.

However, the reality remains that people have been gambling and winning for a long time without the introduction of artificial intelligence, therefore I don't think utilizing AI will be advantageous; rather, using conventional analysis in gambling will be more advantageous, and using AI will carry more risk than when you use your own idea, because I don't really believe in it.

Getting all the recent data would definitely be not an easy task. In fact, if you could it, if you could get all the important data, you wouldn't need an AI then. But I think with a proper prompt you could make the AI do the job. The job that would take hours for you could take seconds for the AI to perform. At first creating such a prompt would not be easy. But when it's done, you can use basically the same prompt(with small corrections) all over again.

Well, people have already started creating projects that use ChatGPT to make a sports betting bot: https://github.com/llSourcell/ChatGPT_Sports_Betting_Bot

Not sure if there are paid ones out there, but I'm sure they will start popping up soon as that project is already half a year old.

I wonder how long it will be before people start trying to sell AI prompts that they claim will win gambling bets or do this or that… I can imagine a lot of people will be pretending to have the secret sauce when it comes to AI prompts. Especially when it comes to making money on things like gambling and investments.

The thing is that an AI can at most give you a very accurate odd of something happening, but there is still the fact that casinos have advantage.

Say for example guessing a coin toss result. An AI tells you it's 50/50, the most accurate prediction, but say the casino pays 95c per dollar you bet. In the long run you will lose all your money because of that price advantage, independent of how amazing was the AI prediction.

This is a regular casino or a different casino that has a different system from the existing casinos because the use of AI in casinos will probably require something to work in casinos.

And if AI can provide valid data for sports betting, it will help us to know who is winning. And our desire to use AI is to win and not have to bother looking for data in selecting his team.