Topic: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 13. (Read 10042 times)

usually established fabrics they always do maintenance to improve every security system etc. so no doubt sometimes casinos at certain times will always do this in terms of keeping casino safe from any attacks even though AI in future will continue to be developed by intelligent people out there but casino development team also has faster expertise than them.

except for insiders who publish system weaknesses in casinos so that they can be attacked using AI or whatever so gamblers instead use AI to predict but not to bet but to infiltrate system in the casino.

And the big casinos have started doing it from now on just so there's no case of breaking into their security system and doing many other bad things. Big casinos have also prepared many useful things to protect their casinos from AI attacks that can harm casinos. And even though the AI is still in the development stage, the casino and its team are also doing the same thing to keep abreast of every AI development made by developers out there. This must be done by the casino, meaning that every casino does not want its business to be harmed by anything, so the security team of each casino must be on guard at all times and ensure that no danger threatens the casino.

Yeah, that's the thing. The casinos are providing people with something they value, the idea that maybe they will become a millionaire.

To make money you need to provide value in any way. Gambling does not provide any value to anyone, you are simply enjoying something, so of course you pay for that. Creating the service is where the money is at.

exactly, gambling is a very profitable business and you have a lot of money to do anything like hire a team of developers who are reliable in all aspects of the system on the casino platform or even hire white hackers to protect against bad hackers who try to make AI that can read the workings of casinos. so that any attempt to make it will never work because the security or system in gambling is so tight that it is difficult to beat the casino using AI and the chances are very small.
except for new casinos that do not have huge traffic yet and do not have a professional development team that can still be hacked using AI.

Yes, Casino will go up to that far just to make sure that they are protecting their business, if there's a chance that AI may read how the casino system works and find ways to breach and beat it up, it will endanger the business, though for sure before things go far casino developers and owners already have that knowledge about it and will do everything to prevent it.

I like that example on your first statement about by hook or by crook, anything that in their power they will use it to make sure that
gambler will not have that advantage.

It is that in every casino when you win big it is obvious that they will put you under observation, they will put the magnifying glass on each Movie you Make , but things can be like that, in fact in Traditional Casinos when a player always has a good streak they try to expel him by hook or by crook, these things have always been Presented , in fact in some Movies they have shown it, although they are pure Fiction at times Because it is a Reality , in the case of Current Casinos well things They are Not so necessary to see them the Hard Way, simply if someone Approaches security to see what is Happening is Enough for the Player to Leave and do Nothing else.

Now, when we start to see the full Scope of the players , we can currently see that things Change, there is already Talk of an AI to be able to beat a casino , it is something that sometimes we did not see, not in the movies They have Focused it like this but on the Talent of a Game , now Everything Falls into the years of Technology and in those who know more about AI Programming, which is what is being given the most now , thanks to this, Many AI Courses are Being Taught so that they can develop and this is Something that will always happen.

Those who Play in a casino and have the Ability to program in AI , it is Obvious that they must be preparing their Robots to See if they can beat a casino system, which does not seem good to me , because I think that players should get well with The casinos but Playing Under their own Efforts and not by a Robot that is a Very good Reader of the Movements of a software , also the Security of Each casino will play an Important role.

As far as I'm Concerned, I believe that all casinos Should also put AI security to be Able to detect them, because it's not that they have many Resources and they Shouldn't invest in security , for everyone it's not a Secret that things are going to go away here by that Trend , and it's all a matter of preparing well for what's to Come.

yes, totally get that
besides having the liquidity the competition is huge nowadays and it's probably not an easy market to compete in, with people using unfair practices to try to put you down all the time.

It is easier to say it than actually doing it. Because obviously, in order to open a casino one needs to have much liquidity and funds to cover the wins of users, no even mention the expenses associated with advertisement, logistics and salaries.

It would be better to instead using money to gamble compulsively, just save that money to start a small business or invest, it is something we all can do with a relatively small amount of money compared to the hundred of thousands of dollars we would need to open a casino.

Also, in my opinion, getting small wins in a casino only encourage gamblers to continue to wager, so in the end it is quite difficult someone would quit after pocketing a handful of dollars.

regression to the mean
you are right.
but what about small wins? would you stop forever after a small win or keep going until you hit the jackpot?

in the end of the day seems like the best way is opening a casino not playing in one.

it really sucks if we bet or gamble we have to be monitored by the system and there is no other choice but to choose the option of not using artificial intelligence to bet. even if we bet on gambling, we need comfort without feeling anxious and when that happens, of course we won't focus on betting. IMO, it would be better to bet simply without using AI than having to be watched over every one of my betting sessions and when Im lucky to get a win and want to withdraw the money it becomes a problem.

@Oasisman this is not about exaggerating but lets see how many people complain on the reputation board saying accounts are banned and winnings confiscated by the casino on suspicion of cheating. well, this is one that we fear if one day it happens so its better not to use artificial intelligence to bet and choose to gamble simply without any help rather than having to take risks when luck comes to give big wins but it becomes a complicated problem when you want to withdraw money.

Is this really happening in real life? I have not been in a bigger casino that monitors their clients every now and then, but I think what you guys have mentioned are a bit exaggerated (I'm not sure about it though). I've seen a lot of these scenarios in the movies, but in the real life casinos, I don't think the casino will closely monitor you if you win big after they check on you on something suspicious (like altering the machine), but if they don't find any I don't think there's something you will be afraid of. Closely monitoring you client will give them an uncomfortable gambling experience and any casino owner doesn't want to lose a valuable client. Those who win big are most probably wage big as well - so that's what made them valuable client.

Good observation and that's reality, especially if they are seeing you being wise from time to time that you are playing. You can be tag and be watched out by the security personnel, monitoring you from each gambling event that you are participating. It's a tough one to counter as you needed to chill some days in order not to be remembered or for your safety better to keep yourself away from the limelight and just enjoy yourself playing.

Just don't make a good reason for the casino to suspect you and mark you in each time you play and bet inside the house.

Yeah, that's also a fair point.

If you win big at a casino, they won't be happy about it of course. They might be quick to send you free drinks and food and celebrate with you, etc, so that you stay there longer and give them their money back.

But if you simply get out, as you should, then they will probably put a mark on you, and when you come back they will be looking very carefully at you.

exactly! if a successful gambler uses artificial intelligence to win large amounts of gambling he must immediately stop gambling, it does not mean just stop temporarily because if he stops within a week its same as spending a lot of money again and on the one hand if he returns to gambling using artificial intelligence like AI it will be very dangerous because the casino system usually has given a warning flag to the account and if it is done again the risk of the account being banned is very possible.

It's quite simple really, every single bet you make against the casino has an advantage to the casino, because they get to set the odds, payouts, etc.

So, if you really remove all the lights, sounds, marketing, etc, all you have left is simply games where the casino has the upper hand.

For example, if they had a coin toss game, they would keep tossing a coin, and pay you, say, 80 cents per dollar you bet when you win. And when you lose, they keep that full dollar.

You can see that sometimes you'll win those 80 cents, and sometimes you'll lose your whole dollar. If you keep doing it, you'll lose all your money. It's just math.

Of course the casino games are more complex, and they try to make it look like you have a chance. For example, in roulette you have a payout that is 1 to 1, but then you have the 0, and the 00, which basically means you lose more times than you win, effectively making it more like the 80c to a dollar payout, but not that evident.

But guys! Let's think about that "evil" algorithm for a moment. What is it doing exactly? Is it programmed to make you, or anyone of us in particular, to necessarily lose in the long run? Why would it need that? Isn't the goal to make the casino win? Then it shouldn't care about a particular player being in profit in the long run. The only thing the algorithm should care about is that all the players combined were losing the amount equal to the house edge to the house.

I don't want to look smug or something, like I know everything. It's just my opinion. Please, share yours.

It actually goes beyond simply leaving when you win big. You need to literally stop gambling ever again, otherwise you will go back another day and lose all the gains you have made in the past.

exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

This is very important, "a better outcome". I too believe in this. Using only AI and trust it blindly will hardly give us good outcomes. But if we use it as our little helper, it can.


Thank you. I mean, we should understand that using the help of anyone, like a friend, or anything, like AI, is not forbidden by sports betting sites. You can use all the help in the world for making your bets more profitable and sports betting platforms have nothing against it at all.

Yeah, I've heard about the memory palace, it's basically something like remembering things through association, so you remember one thing, that then triggers the memory of another thing, etc, until you remember the thing you wanted to get in the first place, or something like that. Seems to be very effective it seems.

I reckon casinos will just notice someone is winning more than the average and they will have a look on them. I think they can kick you out for no reason, although I might be wrong there.