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Topic: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela - page 28. (Read 28498 times)

newbie
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Right, I agree that there's too much talk about elections, but  El Petro and Venezuelan government are inerconnected. Now feels like everything will be according to Maduro's plan and I want to ask you guys what do you think of economic zones using El Petro ? Do you think this idea is worthy?


I think it is too early to decide the actual outcomes of this step, although it is definitely meant to be a step forward in terms of usability. What also bothers me is lack of news about El Petro in post-election period, like Maduro hasn’t mentioned it at all. That silence might be a bad sign of some sort
newbie
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Right, I agree that there's too much talk about elections, but  El Petro and Venezuelan government are inerconnected. Now feels like everything will be according to Maduro's plan and I want to ask you guys what do you think of economic zones using El Petro ? Do you think this idea is worthy?
newbie
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Participation levels in an election is a measure of democracy for sure.   People can skip for various reasons and just not be engaged or the worry is that the population is excluded or in some way filtered like happened with racism in USA at points in its history.   Wider monitoring was really needed from every country of the UN and with thousands of monitors for sure, just one head of an organisation walking around nodding their head to me adds little extra confidence.    This applies to lots of countries, there is no perfect instance and I hear little news coverage especially on Venezuela unfortunately.

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Oil production is a business that depends on access to credit: if you cannot get loans from banks it's almost impossible to support the high flow of investments needed to keep production up. Venezuela (which is not in default) has been cut off US banking system and that means:

- No access to loans, like anybody else.
- No access to transactions in USD, like anybody else.

I agree, the financing falling apart will have a large effect but also oil or any commodity to some extent itself is a kind of currency and I have to wonder how these companies with such a large resource ended up not being able to conduct themselves efficently with previous profits and successful extraction.
In China I remember reading how they banned the use of copper as a proxy for currency, it was being held and exchanged to settle bills and this was outlawed.  Of course copper has a history over thousands of years as a currency and the whole crytpo currency phoneomena we are seeing is related to dollars becoming less used and other elements more useful in exchanging value.   I think oil and gold will be part of that, Hugo Chávez thought this about gold I think





Venezuela had no issues with racism and I believe that attendance at elections 48% is a good number which shows that we truly have democratic nstion.
And I don't understand why half the thread is discussing how dictadura in Venezuela can affect El Petro. What dictadura?
newbie
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If this discussion got a little bit political, which is understandable, let me point out that there’s a gathering storm of US sanctions, and we will see what happens with El Petro after US implementing them. I know one thing for sure: if Maduro’s administration stops working on El Petro’s promotion and usability, it will rapidly go down
Venezuela is strong and can resist sanctions. It's fighting an economic war and those imperialist states with their hegemonic idea will see what they are worth when El Petro works for the good of venezuelan people
newbie
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If this discussion got a little bit political, which is understandable, let me point out that there’s a gathering storm of US sanctions, and we will see what happens with El Petro after US implementing them. I know one thing for sure: if Maduro’s administration stops working on El Petro’s promotion and usability, it will rapidly go down
newbie
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What's the future for Petro?

The greatest problem Venezuela will have to solve with Petro is liquidity. I'm very sorry to say that I start to think that the ICO failed. I still hope to be wrong, but all signs show that the psyops, the brainwashing machine and the isolation of the country worked.

This is due in part to the government responsibility in a very bad management of the process (delegation and execution).
In much larger part of course, it's because of the US boycott, unprecedented, through the media and sanctions specifically targeted at Petro. If it wasn't the case, many investor would have overcome any technical difficulty to put liquidity in Petro.

Failure is never the end, what's important is how you deal with it and if you are able to learn and convert it into a success.


Started to think about ICO failure when the numbers started to differentiate. That was a bad sign
jr. member
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What's the future for Petro?

The greatest problem Venezuela will have to solve with Petro is liquidity. I'm very sorry to say that I start to think that the ICO failed. I still hope to be wrong, but all signs show that the psyops, the brainwashing machine and the isolation of the country worked.

This is due in part to the government responsibility in a very bad management of the process (delegation and execution).
In much larger part of course, it's because of the US boycott, unprecedented, through the media and sanctions specifically targeted at Petro. If it wasn't the case, many investor would have overcome any technical difficulty to put liquidity in Petro.

Failure is never the end, what's important is how you deal with it and if you are able to learn and convert it into a success.


The ICO definitely failed, the nem blockchain shows only 200 transactions for maybe 100k dollars...President MADURO barely talks about the Petro again....the presale started in february we soon entering in June without a clear vision ....sad
jr. member
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 And like most cryptos is an anti-inflationary currency, because the total number issued cannot change.[/b]
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I don't really get what you're saying here,did you mean unlike most cryptos or you meant like most cryptos it is an inflationary currency?
newbie
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What's the future for Petro?

The greatest problem Venezuela will have to solve with Petro is liquidity. I'm very sorry to say that I start to think that the ICO failed. I still hope to be wrong, but all signs show that the psyops, the brainwashing machine and the isolation of the country worked.

This is due in part to the government responsibility in a very bad management of the process (delegation and execution).
In much larger part of course, it's because of the US boycott, unprecedented, through the media and sanctions specifically targeted at Petro. If it wasn't the case, many investor would have overcome any technical difficulty to put liquidity in Petro.

Failure is never the end, what's important is how you deal with it and if you are able to learn and convert it into a success.
newbie
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We can clearly see that Maduro’s administration is working on ways to avoid sanctions and improve oil sector, so yeah, I believe we'll see the results sooner or later (better be sooner). Btw El Petro was created for this purpose, am I right?

That is one of the goals of course.

There are others. Petro is not as easy to manipulate towards the US dollar as the Bolivar (even if that will depend on how it will be received by the markets). And like most cryptos is an anti-inflationary currency, because the total number issued cannot change.
newbie
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I agree, the financing falling apart will have a large effect but also oil or any commodity to some extent itself is a kind of currency and I have to wonder how these companies with such a large resource ended up not being able to conduct themselves efficently with previous profits and successful extraction.
In China I remember reading how they banned the use of copper as a proxy for currency, it was being held and exchanged to settle bills and this was outlawed.  Of course copper has a history over thousands of years as a currency and the whole crytpo currency phoneomena we are seeing is related to dollars becoming less used and other elements more useful in exchanging value.   I think oil and gold will be part of that, Hugo Chávez thought this about gold I think


There are many solutions, Venezuela has an enormous wealth, but of course sanctions and US/EU boycott tries to make it very hard (practically) to trade their resources by isolating them from the global western market. Of course they have excellent relations with all non aligned countries, the largest UN group of countries (which Venezuela leads as they have the presidency).

Venezuela could be a very strong economic power if only the US and Europe allowed them to thrive. It's the old logic of the slave masters, Venezuela in their view must be a colony. The only way is to ignore them and look at the rest of the world with crypto, Yuan and Rubles.
newbie
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Personally, for me these 68% are just numbers. Almost 70% of citizens abstained from voting.

False. Participation was 48%. Considering the boycott of the US and their paid Venezuelan politicians, it's a great result. And the opposition knows it very well.

Maduro was elected with a higher percentage of the total eligible voters than Trump and most western leaders.

Calculate what the 68% of 48% is: it's a lot of votes. Sorry.
jr. member
Activity: 172
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el Petro will be divisible by 100.000.000 units. The minimum exchange unit will be called Mene (0,00000001 PTR).... Somebody can explain why we only received 6 digits after the coma instead of 8 digits as explained in the white paper???
jr. member
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about elections and participation...
Venezuela is more democratic than the U.S. dictatorship.
~20% (1/5) of the United States population (mostly whites) voted for Donald Trump, and he didn't win.
the following images are shocking compared to Venezuela:
voter population char after elections 2016 in United States
comparison of voting population trends in United States

so, shut the fuck up.
this thread is about PETRO !!
jr. member
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Intresting, I did not see an article saying that the government would buy the owners Petro if it fall below $60 but that would be good, and if I follow what you say depending the  market the price could skyrocket or flop....
newbie
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Petro's future price doesn't depend on whether Venezuela's government is good or evil, popular or unpopular, etc.
Petro will be used intensively in purchase of Venezuelan oil, in commodity imports by Venezuela, etc., so demand of Petro will rise as will its price... unless, of course, Venezuela's government issues a larger amount of Petro or it succumbs due to US aggression.
Thank you for the intresting topic, I been waiting for that subject, do you personally think the price will follow the oil price or it was just an indication?

Supposing that Petro is a merchandise with a fixed (invariable) offer (say 100,000,000 Petros), its price will fluctuate directly (rise or fall) as the demand of Petro rises or falls.
I understand that Venezuela's government has said that if Petro's price, at any moment, falls below the price of a barrel of oil, the Venezuelan government will buy your Petros at the oil price of that moment.
jr. member
Activity: 172
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Petro's future price doesn't depend on whether Venezuela's government is good or evil, popular or unpopular, etc.
Petro will be used intensively in purchase of Venezuelan oil, in commodity imports by Venezuela, etc., so demand of Petro will rise as will its price... unless, of course, Venezuela's government issues a larger amount of Petro or it succumbs due to US aggression.
Thank you for the intresting topic, I been waiting for that subject, do you personally think the price will follow the oil price or it was just an indication?
newbie
Activity: 43
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Petro's future price doesn't depend on whether Venezuela's government is good or evil, popular or unpopular, etc.
Petro will be used intensively in purchase of Venezuelan oil, in commodity imports by Venezuela, etc., so demand of Petro will rise as will its price... unless, of course, Venezuela's government issues a larger amount of Petro or it succumbs due to US aggression.
STT
legendary
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Participation levels in an election is a measure of democracy for sure.   People can skip for various reasons and just not be engaged or the worry is that the population is excluded or in some way filtered like happened with racism in USA at points in its history.   Wider monitoring was really needed from every country of the UN and with thousands of monitors for sure, just one head of an organisation walking around nodding their head to me adds little extra confidence.    This applies to lots of countries, there is no perfect instance and I hear little news coverage especially on Venezuela unfortunately.

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Oil production is a business that depends on access to credit: if you cannot get loans from banks it's almost impossible to support the high flow of investments needed to keep production up. Venezuela (which is not in default) has been cut off US banking system and that means:

- No access to loans, like anybody else.
- No access to transactions in USD, like anybody else.

I agree, the financing falling apart will have a large effect but also oil or any commodity to some extent itself is a kind of currency and I have to wonder how these companies with such a large resource ended up not being able to conduct themselves efficently with previous profits and successful extraction.
In China I remember reading how they banned the use of copper as a proxy for currency, it was being held and exchanged to settle bills and this was outlawed.  Of course copper has a history over thousands of years as a currency and the whole crytpo currency phoneomena we are seeing is related to dollars becoming less used and other elements more useful in exchanging value.   I think oil and gold will be part of that, Hugo Chávez thought this about gold I think



newbie
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The abstention and boycott of US funded mafia opposition didn't work much: they could have won, maybe, if they presented a single candidate. But they are wealthy, white coup plotters and massively corrupted, so they prefer to avoid participating in democracy (with all the excuses we know well). Most of them are paid by the US to boycott democracy, and their own country. So fuck them! Good luck Venezuela!

Maduro was reelected President with 68% of the popular vote = 5.8 million votes (not 100% of the votes counted yet). NOW FIESTA! Y viva el Petro! Smiley


Eso es seguro! Todos con Maduro!  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFi-Hvg3Rc

https://i.imgur.com/8sFuHle.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kkuQiuJ.jpg

Personally, for me these 68% are just numbers. Almost 70% of citizens abstained from voting. So their opinion just kinda didn't count. I know that this thread is not so much about politics but when the opinion of more than half population on such important matter as power is not presented, this just doesn't work. Nunca. Never
That's just bullshit. If people wanted to vote, they'd come and vote. They had other options. And no need to say that if Maduro won then Venezuela is not democracy. They have opposition, too. I don't understand this kind of talk
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