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Quote from: iBaba on October 02, 2024, 02:08:45 PM

Quote from: tusandii on October 02, 2024, 04:34:14 AM

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

For the management to have thought of Ten Hag rapid improvement over the victory of the Manchester United against the Manchester City is not a well thought idea by the management because I feel the issue with Ten Hag isn't just a club's issue but more of the emotional issues with the Ten Hag manager. He does not have that emotional maturity to manage such a dynamic and top rated club like Manchester United especially at a time when Man U was diminishing in its performance and needed a strong willed managers like Pep Guardiola or Ancelotti, etc.

The success of winning the FA Cup trophy really saved Erik ten Hag from being fired but unfortunately, even though Erik ten Hag was still given a chance this season but Erik ten Hag made disappointing results. But even so, when I saw Ruud van Nistelrooy in one of the Manchester United matches, then at that time I was sure that maybe Ruud van Nistelrooy would be the new coach for Manchester United later. And maybe that will be true because after all, from some rumors that I got at least Ruud van Nistelrooy has a big chance to replace Erik ten Hag if Erik ten Hag is fired later. Because I am sure, with Manchester United's poor results so far and also the great disappointment experienced by fans, it might also make management move quickly to appoint a new coach for Manchester United.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 02, 2024, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: tusandii on October 02, 2024, 04:34:14 AM

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

Well he saved it because the owners of MU are co-descendants with him, but personally I am a person that really the coach has had more than 3 seasons to prove himself, of course I respect the club's decisions, but how have they been bad since MU does not shine where it has to shine a single competition that wins does not erase all the bad it has done, it is better to shine in the first places of a PL, in a UCL that there, I do not know, but I am one of those who prefer that they shine in that and not in an FA Cup, I have seen other clubs that when the coach loses "consecutive games" they are fired, here not, do the players have responsibility? Yes of course, they do, but for more than 3 seasons they have been changed, they have been put, and the result? the mass, sometimes you have to change leaders because they do not give results, it is my opinion widely respecting the defenders of Ten Hag.

People never seem to stop talking about Manchester United and Erik ten Hag, huh? Sometimes I myself get bored with this topic, but I have to admit this is always interesting, Manchester United and Ten Hag. Always a good debate: whether Ten Hag is worth keeping, or it is already time to replace him. The majority claim that three seasons became enough to prove himself and that achievements like winning the FA Cup do not erase failures in more prestigious competitions, the Premier League or the Champions League.

Of course, the players also bear responsibilities. The squad keeps on changing, new players come in, but the desired results do not come by. At this stage, naturally, people could start to ask if Ten Hag's leadership is something that should continue. But MU is always in the spotlight, no matter what, and maybe that's why the discussion about them should never be quiet. It's boring, as long as MU has not returned to shining at the top, this conversation will definitely continue to roll.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 02, 2024, 04:34:14 AM

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

For the management to have thought of Ten Hag rapid improvement over the victory of the Manchester United against the Manchester City is not a well thought idea by the management because I feel the issue with Ten Hag isn't just a club's issue but more of the emotional issues with the Ten Hag manager. He does not have that emotional maturity to manage such a dynamic and top rated club like Manchester United especially at a time when Man U was diminishing in its performance and needed a strong willed managers like Pep Guardiola or Ancelotti, etc.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 02, 2024, 04:34:14 AM

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

Well he saved it because the owners of MU are co-descendants with him, but personally I am a person that really the coach has had more than 3 seasons to prove himself, of course I respect the club's decisions, but how have they been bad since MU does not shine where it has to shine a single competition that wins does not erase all the bad it has done, it is better to shine in the first places of a PL, in a UCL that there, I do not know, but I am one of those who prefer that they shine in that and not in an FA Cup, I have seen other clubs that when the coach loses "consecutive games" they are fired, here not, do the players have responsibility? Yes of course, they do, but for more than 3 seasons they have been changed, they have been put, and the result? the mass, sometimes you have to change leaders because they do not give results, it is my opinion widely respecting the defenders of Ten Hag.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 02, 2024, 04:34:14 AM

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

The two titles he won in his first two seasons is actually a great achievement, he is a manager that have focus even though his substitution pattern is not favorable in some matches. He is a manager that knows how to play final because the two season he won EFL Cup and FA Cup are terrible seasons for Manchester United because they are struggling in the Premier League to even make it to UEFA Europa League and yet he won title for the team which is a great achievement because Arsenal under Arteta that is doing very well won just Community shield.

Yes, the FA Cup trophy saved his job as Manchester United’s manager, but right now, if he didn’t improve his team’s performance, he can lose it because the team needs something good. Losing against small teams in the Europa League is not proper and the way his Premier League performance drops looks alarming, and he needs to do something before the management take drastic decisions against him which might result to sack.

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Quote from: legendbtc on October 02, 2024, 10:05:56 AM

The pressure on Ten Hag will be weighty in the next matches if MU in both away trips to Porto and Aston Villa, Ten Hag's future will be complicated to guarantee. I often prayed that MU would suffer another defeat so that the board of directors would soon fire coach Erik Ten Hag Grin

. MU suffered heavy losses because they trusted and pampered Ten Hag too much.

It seems that Ten Hag will not last much longer in the Man United coaching chair, the board of directors have started to take precautions after they went through a road full of holes at the start of this season. The management plans to promote Ruud van Nistelrooy as the new head coach at least for the short term if the team's results and performance do not improve. Man United will face two tough matches in the next match, they will face Porto in the second Europa League match, after that their strength will be tested by Aston Villa in the continuation of the Premier League. A change of manager could be imminent if Manchester United fail to win those two games.

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Quote from: hahay on October 01, 2024, 03:11:13 PM

Perhaps, Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much because although Aston Villa played poorly, but Aston Villa still managed to win in the first round. With the victory in the first half, then maybe Aston Villa was too complacent, until finally Aston Villa had to endure the draw. Because after all, basically Ipswich is also a team that has not won at all so far and thus I think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much.

But even though this match only ended in a draw, but at least Aston Villa is also still in the top five which also only has a two-point gap with Liverpool who are at the top of the standings. Thus, I think Aston Villa still looks fine, Aston Villa just needs to stay focused despite only playing against the promotion team, because surprises can happen at any time.

Aston Villa conceded an early goal, it must have affected them, but they came back pretty quickly and went ahead, I was hoping that this turning point in the game would allow them to take the match to victory, but the second half was bad, Ipswich tried everything to equalize, and Aston Villa were focused on holding the score, I think that was their mistake, they should have tried to score another goal, but instead only a draw, and the fight for the top 4 will be very difficult for them. Today they have to play Bayern in the Champions League, a very tough test, and then the match with Manchester United, two home matches, at least there won’t be any tiring flights.

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Quote from: Farma on October 02, 2024, 04:32:10 AM

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

Although the season is still in its early stages, MU fans are already fed up with their favorite team. After 8 matches in all competitions since the beginning of the season, perhaps now, some directors on the MU board are gradually regretting the decision to give coach Ten Hag another chance. In 8 matches, the Red Devils have only won 3 times, mostly against weaker opponents such as Fulham, Southampton, and Barnsley. Meanwhile, in matches that had a big impact on honor, such as the two matches welcoming Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur at Old Trafford, Ten Hag's army had to suffer humiliating results. It is a great humiliation for a prestigious team like MU. I am curious how long coach Erik Ten Hag can stay at Old Trafford.

The pressure on Ten Hag will be weighty in the next matches if MU in both away trips to Porto and Aston Villa, Ten Hag's future will be complicated to guarantee. I often prayed that MU would suffer another defeat so that the board of directors would soon fire coach Erik Ten Hag Grin

. MU suffered heavy losses because they trusted and pampered Ten Hag too much.

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Quote from: Farma on October 02, 2024, 04:32:10 AM

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

I support your opinion about the current bad things that are happening to Man United and we can't just criticize from one direction but also the players we need to see if they are contributing according to the strategy given by Ten Hag.
Of the majority of players that Man United have, I only see Garnacho who has maximum performance and always gives a very good contribution.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Manchester United is currently in a big dilemma to keep Ten Hag or fire him, because after Ferguson's retirement we can see that none of the coaches are really able to bring Manchester United to win the league, so maybe they also think that Manchester United current problems cannot be solved only by changing coaches, but apart from that, of course, considerations and also actions must be taken immediately at this time to prevent Manchester from falling further in the future, the defeat to Tottenham Hotspur is of course difficult to say if it has anything to do with the red card received by Fernandez, because after all from the beginning of the game they have started the game very badly, I think the appeal made by Manchester United is indeed reasonable considering the referee decision of 50:50 regarding whether or not the violation is feasible to get a red card , But I think, without a change in Ten Hag game strategy in the next match, even with Fernandez in the squad, there will not be much difference at all in the chances of winning.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on September 30, 2024, 01:31:51 PM

Erik ten Hag should have been sacked towards the end of last season following his dismal performance in both premier league and UCL however I believe winning FA against Man City must have been a relief for him which must have prompted their board to have a change of decision by giving him more time, however despite the massive amount of money spent last summer for new signings yet the club had not made any significant improvement which should be attributed to Erik ten Hag lack of enough tactical input to the team, I think in nextfew days definitely a decision would be taken.

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

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Quote from: MainIbem on October 02, 2024, 02:20:21 AM

I saw in a news channels on X that Manchester won the appeal for a wrong Red card call by the referee in the match against Tottenham and it has been unturned thereby allowing Bruno Fernandes to play in their next match against Aston Villa, this is a boost for Manchester United to have their Captain back but in recent times, he's out of form and needs to put in more effort to help Manchester United in this hard times, Bruno Fernandes in previous seasons have helped Manchester United which enabled him to become the Captain but his days would be numbered if he doesn't improve, I think the new led Ineos regime won't tolerate any weak legs that would drag the club backwards they'll begin to look for a replacement for Bruno Fernandes if things doesn't change before the next transfer window. As for Erik Ten Hag, the has just the match against Porto and Aston Villa to prove himself worthy else the board would have to take drastic measures on the managerial situation.

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

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Quote from: Nheer on October 01, 2024, 04:30:35 PM

Clearly Bournemouth was the better team and they deserved the win. Southampton didn’t play like a team that wanted the point they played very casually and so Bournemouth easily took advantage to secure all 3 points.
Southampton later grew in the game towards the end of the match but it was too late and their effort was not enough all they could get was more possession and were hardly a threat to the defense.

Southampton needs to be careful if not they may end up in the relegation zone battling to go out of the zone all season, they need to improve their game as soon as possible to avoid relegation. Bournemouth on the other hand are far from the zone but they also need to improve a bit and try to win matches to remain out of the relegation zone.

Southampton will probably get relegated this season if they continue playing like this. Presently, none of their aclaim strikers are scoring goals but it's still insane to play without striker. I blamed Martin for starting the match without a striker. He allowed damage to be done before bringing in his average attackers who couldn't turn things around. There's no any term they can beat in Premier league with this kind of pattern.

Holding possession without scoring is very meaningless and moreover, you can not score playing in your own half. They're not playing better than championship teams at the moment because having one point after playing six games is totally a disgrace.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM

In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

I don't really know what Southampton came back to the premier League to do. If they can't even get a good result from smaller team like them, I wonder where they will get the good result from. Bournemouth scoring Southampton 3 goals doesn't look good on the side of Southampton, or are they hoping to get good results when they play the big teams? Well they can be lucky to get a point from Manchester United when they eventually meet 😁😁. I expected them to at least show more commitment in that match, because they know too well that if they don't gather points from mid table clubs like Bournemouth it will be difficult for them to survive in the premier League. Now they are losing anyhow, but once they meet Manchester United that's when they will shine, because that's how low Manchester United have deteriorated. All thanks to Eric Ten Hag.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM

In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

Of course Bournemouth players played very well in that match they were able to take the lead in the first half with 3 goals against Southampton and secured the game till full time. looking at the newly promoted teams performance I think Southampton and Leicester city is the worst among them because looking at the league table they are sitting on the relegation zone while Ipswich town is more better than them. However, looking at their performance now I think they really need to improve to enable them stay in the premier league next season.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on October 01, 2024, 04:41:43 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

I saw in a news channels on X that Manchester won the appeal for a wrong Red card call by the referee in the match against Tottenham and it has been unturned thereby allowing Bruno Fernandes to play in their next match against Aston Villa, this is a boost for Manchester United to have their Captain back but in recent times, he's out of form and needs to put in more effort to help Manchester United in this hard times, Bruno Fernandes in previous seasons have helped Manchester United which enabled him to become the Captain but his days would be numbered if he doesn't improve, I think the new led Ineos regime won't tolerate any weak legs that would drag the club backwards they'll begin to look for a replacement for Bruno Fernandes if things doesn't change before the next transfer window. As for Erik Ten Hag, the has just the match against Porto and Aston Villa to prove himself worthy else the board would have to take drastic measures on the managerial situation.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on October 01, 2024, 04:41:43 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

In other clubs, a manager is given responsibility for one season if he can do something good for the team in one season and if his strategy is liked by the management then the management extends the contract with him, but the current manager in Manchester United may be the auto choice. I don't know how bad the condition of this team will be, Manchester United will fire the current manager. Last season, Manchester United performed very badly in the previous season, so Manchester United should not rely on this manager at least for this season. His management strategy looks like Manchester United will do something similar this season as Manchester United did last season.

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Quote from: hahay on October 01, 2024, 03:11:13 PM

Perhaps, Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much because although Aston Villa played poorly, but Aston Villa still managed to win in the first round. With the victory in the first half, then maybe Aston Villa was too complacent, until finally Aston Villa had to endure the draw. Because after all, basically Ipswich is also a team that has not won at all so far and thus I think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much.

But even though this match only ended in a draw, but at least Aston Villa is also still in the top five which also only has a two-point gap with Liverpool who are at the top of the standings. Thus, I think Aston Villa still looks fine, Aston Villa just needs to stay focused despite only playing against the promotion team, because surprises can happen at any time.

But I don't think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich because in this match where Ipswich was able to score an early goal and that showed that the home team really wanted to find a win but in this match the opponent they faced was more difficult so the reply goal came so quickly. Even Aston Villa was able to turn things around in the first half and that slightly lowered the mentality of the Ipswich players.

However, in the second half where McKenna's team was able to maintain the stability of their playing style by increasing attacks when they had the chance and in the end Delap was able to score the second goal which made the score 2-2. My observation is that in this match Aston Villa threw away their chance to get 3 points because if they played more carefully they might have been able to maintain their lead until the end of the match but unfortunately they were unable to do that.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

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So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

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