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Quote from: KTChampions on November 14, 2024, 04:19:10 PM

What caught my eye most was the difference in points scored by clubs in 3rd to 5th place. 24 and 19 points is a huge difference over such a distance, and even if Arsenal, for example, formally retains its 4th place, the real distance to 1st place and, in general, to participation in the title race is now much greater.
Plus, of course, the rise of Nottingham and Chelsea is attracting attention. Are Nottingham embarking on a quest for a third Champions League title? Cheesy

Honestly, this season it seems like only two teams will compete closely for the championship title, because in terms of points, the team ranked 3rd and ranked 1st are already very far apart and it might take a surprise to be able to stick close. Liverpool is so strong this season, they continue to develop rapidly under Arne slot, it seems like they will make a lot of new history this season. The instability of Manchester City's performance opens up a great opportunity for Liverpool to continue to be consistent in collecting 3 points in order to maintain their position as the leader of the standings for a long time.

Arsenal experienced a less than satisfactory fate by losing many points so that this season it seems like it will be quite difficult for them to compete for the championship title. Although the season is still long, we have seen the performance of each team in achieving their targets this season. Nottingham Forest seems like it will be quite difficult to maintain their good performance, even though they are currently ranked 5th, but I am sure there are many big obstacles that will be obstacles for them in maintaining their good performance.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 02:35:48 PM

I didn’t think Casemiro was a bad player, he was pretty good when he was in Real Madrid. The same goes for other Manchester United players who were presumed to be “bad” by critics and fans. Their recent performances have shown that it wasn’t the players fault but the tactics of the manager. It seems that they were struggling to understand what Erik Ten Hag wanted them to do. Manchester United were better under Ruud van Nistelrooy. I expect them to maintain the same momentum and winning mentality under Amorim.

I think Casemiro is often disappointed in this team especially when he makes costly mistakes, whereas he still doing well in more matches to be honest, they forgets that he is the most decorated player in the squad with all his achievements in Real Madrid and to be frank I think we can say he is a legend there and can be considered among the best defensive midfielders of his generation.

Casemiro continues to prove he has more to offers in the Manchester United even after all those criticism and hates and I think he possibly do better till he leaves the club.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

What caught my eye most was the difference in points scored by clubs in 3rd to 5th place. 24 and 19 points is a huge difference over such a distance, and even if Arsenal, for example, formally retains its 4th place, the real distance to 1st place and, in general, to participation in the title race is now much greater.
Plus, of course, the rise of Nottingham and Chelsea is attracting attention. Are Nottingham embarking on a quest for a third Champions League title? Cheesy

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

For some clubs I don't see a significant change but now it is quite interesting where Tottenham, Chelsea, Manchester United and even surprise club Nottingham Forrest actually provide new colors for the EPL.

Last season Tottenham played very well at the beginning of the season because if I'm not mistaken they were managed by Conte before finally deciding to part ways for several reasons and now their performance has deteriorated a little at the beginning of the season, Chelsea's changes in the hands of Maresca show good signs for them to return to a decent position. For Manchester United, the wrong decision and the pros and cons of keeping Ten Hag at the beginning of the season must accept the consequences now that they are not doing well which makes it difficult for them and now they are trying to make changes with Amorim which of course can still be a risky option.

Last but not least, a club that wasn't even predicted to do well is now transforming into a troublesome club. Earlier this season Nottingham Forest performed very extraordinary and this is a situation that is really surprising to me because it never even crossed my mind that Nottingham could successfully survive in the top 15 after 11 weeks of EPL running.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2024, 03:29:54 PM

I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

Liverpool managed to improve their performance this season in the first 11 weeks of the Premier League, while Manchester City declined slightly when they lost 4 points compared to the first 11 matches last season. Aston Villa and Tottenham, who ranked 2nd and 5th last season, actually lost their good form this season in the first 11 matches, of course so far they are in 9th and 10th position in the standings.

This season Manchester City is a little weak due to injuries to several main players, but I believe Pep Guardiola will fix it as soon as possible. It is impossible to let a team lose points from match to match in a row, in fact I am very confident that Manchester City will stop this bad trend in the next match against Tottenham.

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I saw this post on the Premier League’s official Instagram page. The caption was ‘so much cab change in a year’. At first I thought it was a roast at Manchester City since they were number 1 last season and now are struggling between games to keep their position at number 2 on the table. But more interesting is that Arsenal didn’t really change, they maintained the same spot. And Manchester United have dropped drastically this year, from 8th on the table last year to 13th on the table. Which other team caught your eye?

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Quote from: bitgolden on November 14, 2024, 01:52:32 PM

There is definitely no reason to believe that if Arteta leaves, Arsenal somehow starts to win some games, in fact, I believe Arteta is one of the main reasons why they did so good and all those players look great on paper because he made them look good, which is why I believe we are not going to end up with seeing him leave.

I also agree with the idea that Arteta should stay at the team. It would really be unfair to assess managers irrespectively of their successes in the past. It is highly natural that Amorim also doesn't want to see Ruud at the team. Amorim can have difficulties in building authority over the players in Ruud's existence.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on November 13, 2024, 04:05:37 PM

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Manchester United has entered a new era, they are winning games convincingly. Imagine where the club would have been if they had fired Erik Ten Hag at the end of last season. Funny how Ruud van Nistelrooy had the same players as Erik Ten Hag but United all of a sudden are looking like they have a fire in them to win games. The players we thought were bad are actually doing better under Ruud. If Ruben Amorim can keep the momentum going, Manchester United may finish in a good spot this season.

I suspect that the Manchester United players intentionally fired Ten Hag since they seemed to be tired of him as manager as well. Ruud Van Nistelrooy used the same players that had been used and won the four games. They've scored 11 goals in the previous four games in all competitions. They played perfectly against Leicester City; even Casemiro was able to defend. Manchester United we have been waiting a long time to see, and I think they are back to winning ways. But before the season ends, let's see how amazing Rúben Amorim can make this team.

I didn’t think Casemiro was a bad player, he was pretty good when he was in Real Madrid. The same goes for other Manchester United players who were presumed to be “bad” by critics and fans. Their recent performances have shown that it wasn’t the players fault but the tactics of the manager. It seems that they were struggling to understand what Erik Ten Hag wanted them to do. Manchester United were better under Ruud van Nistelrooy. I expect them to maintain the same momentum and winning mentality under Amorim.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 14, 2024, 02:05:16 PM

I don't think they will change their season goals so radically (from the title to the top 4) after a bad start. To have a champion mentality they have to want to win every game they have left, no matter if it means winning the title or just a ticket to the Champions League. Arsenal are in a slump at the moment, but maybe they will come out of it and others (including Liverpool) will experience their own slump, it is impossible to have a completely even season.

Thank you for this brake down; you shows that you know football and you understand how it works especially in the Premier League.

Just like other Leagues, the Premier League is getting tougher every season, the big six teams we used to know in the Premier League are looking for way to regain their balance after some bad seasons in the last two years, and if they all get back proper, the competition will be tough and to predict the winner and the top four teams will be very difficult.
This season, Liverpool under Arne Slot looks promising, but they will also pass through this situation both Arsenal and Manchester City are passing through, and both Arsenal and Manchester City will also get back to track soon since almost all their injured players are getting better especially Arsenal.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 13, 2024, 05:30:13 PM

One shouldn't forget that in what condition Arsenal were before Arteta took over. Arteta is the one who made Arsenal a team which are fighting for the championship every year. Therefore sending Arteta from the team would be the biggest mistake Arsenal can do. Arsenal's target should be to finish the league in top 4 and be successful in the Champions League this season.

I don't think they will change their season goals so radically (from the title to the top 4) after a bad start. To have a champion mentality they have to want to win every game they have left, no matter if it means winning the title or just a ticket to the Champions League. Arsenal are in a slump at the moment, but maybe they will come out of it and others (including Liverpool) will experience their own slump, it is impossible to have a completely even season.

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Quote from: len01 on November 13, 2024, 04:52:40 AM

There is no guarantee that Arteta departure will bring success to Arsenal. And if it's about success, I admit Arteta will be successful with another team. But are you sure Arsenal will be successful after Arteta leaves the team?
We can see how long it took Guardiola to succeed with Man City in the UCL and this can be a simple example that Arteta currently seems to have failed to bring Arsenal a trophy. But in the coming season or this season, we don't know what will happen.
Even though I don't like Arsenal, the opinion about his departure is not something wise.

There is definitely no reason to believe that if Arteta leaves, Arsenal somehow starts to win some games, in fact, I believe Arteta is one of the main reasons why they did so good and all those players look great on paper because he made them look good, which is why I believe we are not going to end up with seeing him leave.

However, at the same time since they are getting bad results at the moment, we need to remember that he is not going to end up with anything big neither, he can't really end up requesting a lot during January transfer window can he?

I mean if he is not doing that great then he can't make that much money neither, he just has to realize that it's not going to end up with anything beneficial for him. So he just needs to realize, yes he will keep his job unless they lose all their games, as long as they are in top four then he will keep his job, but he will also not be given unlimited money, he is not winning so he is not deserving getting expensive players neither.

Maybe a few small calibre players, like for bench, like maybe 10-20 million range, but that's it and nothing more because with the kind of results he is getting, spending a ton of money because he said so would be wrong.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 14, 2024, 07:21:09 AM

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Arsenal is a strong team. For the last few seasons, Arsenal has been fighting for the title. But in the end, Manchester City has been the champion every season. And I would say that there is only one reason why Arsenal has failed to win the title every season. Arsenal's bench team is not strong. So whenever any player in the squad gets injured, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance become unstable. And this season too, Arsenal has faced the same problem. Arsenal coach Arteta should have added more talented players to their squad. However, Arsenal has no chance of winning the title this season. Arteta now has to try to strengthen his squad.

Normally they are strong, yeah. But they have got worse this season. Their performance in the PL has been quite poor for weeks. They can't literally win a game for 4 whole weeks. It's terrible... Sad

Arsenal had a couple of chances to win a PL title in the recent years. But they wasted all of them generously. Tongue

They just can't make it to the end at the top and the reason is quite clear. Firstly I don't blame Arteta here of course. He has made this team much stronger. The thing is they need a striker immediately, a real one. This is why I think Osimhen could be a target for Arsenal also next transfer window. He can be a great candidate for bringing the title to them.

If a team like Manchester City that has had strong dominance in recent seasons can still have a losing streak, then I think it is natural when a team like Arsenal actually has a decline in performance at this moment. After all, currently Arsenal are also still in the top four but indeed, the acquisition of 19 points is currently owned by four teams in the upper zone and then there is a team that has 18 points and that ofcourse, it will be very risky when Arsenal fail to win in a match because it will greatly affect their position in the standings. But even so, at least Arsenal can still try at least to be and still finish in the topfour. Because if the target is to win the trophy, then it will still be a difficult mission for Arsenal with the situation and condition of the team that is not entirely good.

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I also didn't expect that the impact of Rodri's absence could be like this on Man City, but that's the reality they dropped drastically and suffered a heartbreaking defeat, of course, must get a replacement that can be more reliable in the transfer burs opportunity later, but if you think about who is suitable to fill Rodri's position and KDB for his replacement because it looks like they will both be vulnerable to injury.

Arsenal? I'm not sure about Arsenal, they missed their chance many times, maybe we can think it will be an opportunity for Chelsea and Liverpool for them to stand further above to secure their position.

Rodri is a key player for Manchester City, and if they miss him, he will definitely affect them in the competition game, now that Manchester City are facing difficulties in the league and Champions League this season, I am sure if they are Rodri, the pressure won't be much like this, and I am thinking that Manchester City can't win the Premier League this season with the performance they are playing now in the league, Guadiola need to have some strong midfielders that will Arsenal has already fucked up already they don't have any chance to top the league anymore, they should just focus on the ucl and see what they can do. but if is to win the premier league, I don't think that will be possible for them anymore. Because even Liverpool are losing some games Manchester City are in there back and they won't let Arsenal to overtake them in the league, Arteta can just do is best next season and buy some new players to the team so that he can get the chance to win the league title. He as lost is opportunity already last season.

The current situation does make us quite pessimistic with Manchester City and Arsenal in my opinion, because they they have problems that cannot be resolved, so we can think that to win the English Main League and the Champions League I am very doubtful if they continue to experience setbacks, But for Say Guardiola is always good at restoring things, just as last season Guardiola was difficult but they managed to restore the situation and return to the top to lead the standings, only in the Champions League defeated by Real Madrid when Man City had not yet fully recovered, and Arsenal in the Champions League are quite worrying, they always don't qualify to enter important rounds.

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I think Ruben Amorim will be a chance for Manchester United. I trust the Portuguese manager. I think Manchester United can sign some good players from Sporting Lisbon. There will be names that Amorim knows. I am sure there will be players who will do well at Manchester United. I am very curious about what Gyökeres can do, especially if he is going to be transferred. I think he is a goal scorer with Premier League quality.

I will not rush to say Ruben Amorim is a coach who can make Manchester United better or not. because we have not seen how the performance he will present with Manchester United, besides that it takes several matches to see whether he will be able to bring Manchester United better or not. Many coaches were initially good but over time they could not be consistent, there are also coaches who were initially not so good but over time they got better. What I hope is that Manchester United do not rush to make a decision when at the beginning Amorim could not perform well.

I understand what you mean mate, the club and fans shouldn't expect too much from him this season because he needs to study and understand the players which no one knows how fast he would do this. If the fans are expecting too much, I wouldn't blame them at all because Van Nistelrooy has made them have a taste of victory within the short time he spent in the club.

Amorim should be able to continue from where Van Nistelrooy stopped in rebranding the team so that finishing at top four should be guaranteed.

Amorim has shown extraordinary ability in building Sporting so far, so that the current Manchester United fans have great hope and confidence if their team will return to a positive path after falling in the Ten Hag era, I think the big expectations from the fans have of course a natural thing if you look at the current condition of their team but they also have to be ready if later the expectations they have are not up with expected, but to be honest, I see that Manchester United seem to have lost their aura as a team to challenge for the title in the Premier League since Ferguson retired and we can see experienced coaches like Mourinho, David Moyes and also Van Gaal has failed in old trafford previously.

Amorim will be their next coach and I think now it is very important to give time and space for Amorim on adapt, Because we know that expectations that are too high at the beginning can be a burden that disturbs the concentration of the new coach, so patience from the club and fans is needed at the moment, because the pressure and also the competition between the Portuguese League and the English League is very different.

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I think Ruben Amorim will be a chance for Manchester United. I trust the Portuguese manager. I think Manchester United can sign some good players from Sporting Lisbon. There will be names that Amorim knows. I am sure there will be players who will do well at Manchester United. I am very curious about what Gyökeres can do, especially if he is going to be transferred. I think he is a goal scorer with Premier League quality.

I will not rush to say Ruben Amorim is a coach who can make Manchester United better or not. because we have not seen how the performance he will present with Manchester United, besides that it takes several matches to see whether he will be able to bring Manchester United better or not. Many coaches were initially good but over time they could not be consistent, there are also coaches who were initially not so good but over time they got better. What I hope is that Manchester United do not rush to make a decision when at the beginning Amorim could not perform well.

I understand what you mean mate, the club and fans shouldn't expect too much from him this season because he needs to study and understand the players which no one knows how fast he would do this. If the fans are expecting too much, I wouldn't blame them at all because Van Nistelrooy has made them have a taste of victory within the short time he spent in the club.

Amorim should be able to continue from where Van Nistelrooy stopped in rebranding the team so that finishing at top four should be guaranteed.

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Quote from: len01 on November 13, 2024, 04:52:40 AM

There is no guarantee that Arteta departure will bring success to Arsenal. And if it's about success, I admit Arteta will be successful with another team. But are you sure Arsenal will be successful after Arteta leaves the team?
We can see how long it took Guardiola to succeed with Man City in the UCL and this can be a simple example that Arteta currently seems to have failed to bring Arsenal a trophy. But in the coming season or this season, we don't know what will happen.
Even though I don't like Arsenal, the opinion about his departure is not something wise.

Pep only need a year to make Manchester City to win streak in Premier League, while Arteta have joined Arsenal for 5 years, but proved nothing. Tongue

Even Arteta no longer being an Arsenal's manager, both Arsenal with new manager and Arteta with new team will not be successful because both of them can only become second best in top league.

Oh Arteta can get trophy, but he should manage in farmer league like Ligue 1 or small league.

Honestly, of course Pep is a better manager than Arteta, but at the same time what Pep managed to do wasn't cheap neither, not like Arteta spent a lot but Pep didn't. People are looking at recent years because he already built a team and didn't really spent a lot on the recent years, but on his like first five years or so combined it was a lot of money, it is only the recent few years where he is not spending like crazy.

I believe Pep also is a better manager even if they were given the same team, so it is not that Arteta is better or anything, it's just that Pep has already built the team he wants to built by the time Arteta got there. Also, when Pep did made City a great team, only team they had to fight against was Liverpool, which was definitely tough, a few unlucky losses in a few seasons and they have a lot less titles, but when Arsenal got better, they faced City themselves, which was on a streak of titles, so it is not the same difficulty.

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Arsenal is a strong team. For the last few seasons, Arsenal has been fighting for the title. But in the end, Manchester City has been the champion every season. And I would say that there is only one reason why Arsenal has failed to win the title every season. Arsenal's bench team is not strong. So whenever any player in the squad gets injured, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance become unstable. And this season too, Arsenal has faced the same problem. Arsenal coach Arteta should have added more talented players to their squad. However, Arsenal has no chance of winning the title this season. Arteta now has to try to strengthen his squad.

Normally they are strong, yeah. But they have got worse this season. Their performance in the PL has been quite poor for weeks. They can't literally win a game for 4 whole weeks. It's terrible... Sad

Arsenal had a couple of chances to win a PL title in the recent years. But they wasted all of them generously. Tongue

They just can't make it to the end at the top and the reason is quite clear. Firstly I don't blame Arteta here of course. He has made this team much stronger. The thing is they need a striker immediately, a real one. This is why I think Osimhen could be a target for Arsenal also next transfer window. He can be a great candidate for bringing the title to them.

There are two reasons why Arsenal have struggled lately, first there are several key players injured, of course this hampers their performance and second there is a possibility that other teams have found a way to beat Arsenal or they have developed more than Arteta expected.
If compared to last season I think this season Arsenal has experienced a sharp decline they seem to be away from the title fight, and if Arteta does not fix all this Arsenal will see the main trophy in the hands of other teams, and indeed the shortcomings of Arteta's squad are not having sharp stickers, I hope in the January transfer market they can buy some players especially stickers, in order to increase their champion candidate status again this season.

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Quote from: Minecache on November 14, 2024, 05:14:35 AM

Arsenal is a strong team. For the last few seasons, Arsenal has been fighting for the title. But in the end, Manchester City has been the champion every season. And I would say that there is only one reason why Arsenal has failed to win the title every season. Arsenal's bench team is not strong. So whenever any player in the squad gets injured, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance become unstable. And this season too, Arsenal has faced the same problem. Arsenal coach Arteta should have added more talented players to their squad. However, Arsenal has no chance of winning the title this season. Arteta now has to try to strengthen his squad.

Normally they are strong, yeah. But they have got worse this season. Their performance in the PL has been quite poor for weeks. They can't literally win a game for 4 whole weeks. It's terrible... Sad

Arsenal had a couple of chances to win a PL title in the recent years. But they wasted all of them generously. Tongue

They just can't make it to the end at the top and the reason is quite clear. Firstly I don't blame Arteta here of course. He has made this team much stronger. The thing is they need a striker immediately, a real one. This is why I think Osimhen could be a target for Arsenal also next transfer window. He can be a great candidate for bringing the title to them.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 14, 2024, 04:51:20 AM

Arsenal as we all know were struggling before Mikel Arteta was appointed as the club manager but since he became the club's manager, he was able to help improve the club's performance and quality to a point that Arsenal are now regarded as one of the best teams in the league but that shouldn't be a reason why the club management would have to take whatever they get from Arteta. Arsenal is a big club remember and if Arteta isn't delivering good results consistently again, then I don't see anything bad in relieving of his job at the club and getting another world class manager.

Arsenal is a strong team. For the last few seasons, Arsenal has been fighting for the title. But in the end, Manchester City has been the champion every season. And I would say that there is only one reason why Arsenal has failed to win the title every season. Arsenal's bench team is not strong. So whenever any player in the squad gets injured, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance become unstable. And this season too, Arsenal has faced the same problem. Arsenal coach Arteta should have added more talented players to their squad. However, Arsenal has no chance of winning the title this season. Arteta now has to try to strengthen his squad.

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If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season,

One shouldn't forget that in what condition Arsenal were before Arteta took over. Arteta is the one who made Arsenal a team which are fighting for the championship every year. Therefore sending Arteta from the team would be the biggest mistake Arsenal can do. Arsenal's target should be to finish the league in top 4 and be successful in the Champions League this season.

Arsenal as we all know were struggling before Mikel Arteta was appointed as the club manager but since he became the club's manager, he was able to help improve the club's performance and quality to a point that Arsenal are now regarded as one of the best teams in the league but that shouldn't be a reason why the club management would have to take whatever they get from Arteta. Arsenal is a big club remember and if Arteta isn't delivering good results consistently again, then I don't see anything bad in relieving of his job at the club and getting another world class manager.

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