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Liverpool was cooking Manchester United. And I'm feeling very optimistic if we're gonna enter the title race against City and Arsenal soon. I can't really understand why people are pushing off Liverpool to sign a new player ASAP. In fact, they don't need to sign a new player.

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Because Pochettino is no longer on Chelsea therefore the club freely sold those to other clubs. maybe it's been a long time that club want sell those player, but because it was held back by the previous coach so that it still survives until the end of the season. we certainly can't blame them because with the new manager, maybe there are other policies regarding player composition. but at least chelsea should be keep them on Stamford bridge because their contribution is quite crucial bring them to survive until now.
When coaches change, schemes and players are bound to change and now some players who don't fit into Enzo Maresca's plans will certainly be let go.
It's a normal thing in the end because after all, with a different scheme of play, there are bound to be players who leave and come to make Enzo's ideal line-up and it's definitely not going to be the same as what Poche did before.

This is one of the reasons that too many transitions lead to money being wasted and players coming and going so quickly that performance becomes unstable as a result of the season after season, which damages the chemistry that is actually being built.

At the moment, Enzo Maresca's actions are not as extreme as the previous coach but seeing from what is happening now, the reshuffle will still be done especially by looking at the friendly matches Chelsea did, they actually don't have a good thing to be proud of before the new EPL season starts.
Yes, I think all fans around the world want the best for their club, whatever the plan of coach even if it's better for the club the fans should be welcome with all the club's plans. I saw Enzo Maresca begin to mix the best composition formation, at least he tried to make fans happy and gives hope for this session will get the tittle premier league. but still, it also depends on policy the Chelsea owner. If top management always support to buy some potential player, I think Enzo Maresca won't mess around financial club to buy more. So, we have to wait until this session begin, We hope Chelsea can give us the title for this session.
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Chelsea getting cooked by City after that first half. Imo, they started really poorly against a strong City side. Since Chelsea was coming from a win against Club America, I was hoping to see some of that winning display against City. I expected this to be a high scoring game from both teams. Anyway, the second half is about to start now so I'd return afterwards. Let's see if Chelsea can perform some magic and get back to level with City as the bare minimum.
Chelsea played quite badly in the first half because Haaland was able to score 2 goals in the first half. I don't see any better strength than Chelsea in this match because they had difficulty balancing Manchester City's game. Even though this was just a friendly match, the team's performance under Maresca's guidance did not improve at all. Bobb even managed to increase City's lead to 3-0 and it's possible there will be lots of goals because there's still plenty of time left in the match.
The defense line was so fragile that it was quite easy for Haaland et al to launch attacks. It seemed very difficult for Colwill to break up the many attacks carried out by City players because he failed to break several good passes.
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Chelsea getting cooked by City after that first half. Imo, they started really poorly against a strong City side. Since Chelsea was coming from a win against Club America, I was hoping to see some of that winning display against City. I expected this to be a high scoring game from both teams. Anyway, the second half is about to start now so I'd return afterwards. Let's see if Chelsea can perform some magic and get back to level with City as the bare minimum.
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Chelsea aren't ready because they still don't know what they are doing. Enzo Maresca will need quite much time to start getting positive results seemingly. Sacking Pochettino was such a wrong move that this will probably cost them a lot at the beginning of the season. If Pochettino was still the current manager now, I wouldn't doubt Chelsea this much. Because you would remember how great they were with him in the last times of the previous season.
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I think Chelsea is not ready to face the new season. Also, i don't really understand who you called that as brilliant signings by Chelsea. Chelsea is recruiting many inexperienced players. It's also selling its experienced ones, like Gallagher. Chelsea still has some friendly matches remaining against City and Inter
My point is that if Chelsea can equally to Manchester City and Inter Milan in the next friendly games. Then, I think Chelsea will do well in the current season.

Also, Chelsea is now trying to stay away from being sanctioned due to its violation of the PSR rules. To be honest, if you read the latest report on Chelsea's finances, it said they might get sanctioned by the FA. This is because their quarterly losses exceeded £105 million.

One thing is Clear it will be a very difficult decision to instantly build a team around this large number of just raw talent. First I don’t know why Chelsea is trying to sell of someone who happens to be their only fit senior player last Season and apparently their best player to me after Cole Palmer, when the news for Thiago Silva leaving broke out I had thought that Chelsea would retract back their decision to sell off Gallagher who to me is their captain at the moment, I know Chelsea is scared of losing him for free since he hasn’t agreed to sign new contract which I also understand is point of Chelsea not meeting his demand. He wants more than two season and an improved wage which is not bad, Chelsea just need to strike a balance instead of selling him.

As for Chelsea bad performance In this preseason matches I will say I don’t rate it that much, there are clubs that usually lose their preseason matches and later go on to win the league, example is Manchester United, so I wouldn’t say if Chelsea loses theirs it means the season will be bad for them.

Will this be Arsenal's year I wonder... For the last 2 years they have been trying and trying but still not PL title at the end of the day.  Sad  Especially that effort in the last season was incredible!

Arteta wants to see a real striker in the club but still no agreement made with a player. Gyökeres has been at the centre of their rumours for the position but sill no result. He would be a great choice in fact.

If Merino rumours are also true then it would be for the benefit of them. He has drawn more attention after Euro 2024 as you know. Merino - Gyökeres both can make a big addition to team productivity.  Smiley

Just as they say you can be a third time lucky, i remember Liverpool trailing Manchester City for two seasons until they got lucky the third time and won the league, this last two season has actually made Arsenal realized that they need more fire power to go and over take Manchester City. The two key positions which is the central midfield position and the striking role is a very good place that Arsenal had been lacking last season. Mikel Merino although not talked about that much could be their solution after his impressive season last time with Real Sociedad. Should get this two target they could go all the way
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Todd Boehly has invested a lot of money now to build Chelsea into a title contender, but Todd Boehly should also have the patience to see Chelsea become champions in the future because after all investing a lot of money does not guarantee that they will immediately become champions in leagues and European competitions, because  it takes a lot of time for the process of developing a team and this is not easy to do although they have a great coach,
This is why, in this transfer market, Chelsea also recruited many players who are still very young. There are even 3 players who are still under 20 years old. While in other positions, they also recruited players who are not actually top but they have the talent, and their age is still very productive. And 1 more, they seem to not intend to spend too much money for just 1 player. That is why Chelsea is very careful in making decisions regarding Osimhen who until now has not been done deal.
You know what is fun about that line up? It's still a lower number than what Chelsea has lol. I mean we all know that Arsenal will finish better than Chelsea, and yet they have like a much worse team on valuation, when they should be a lot more. Sometimes it is not about what valuation your players have, it's about how they play together which makes all the difference. Obviously we are going to see Arsenal do a lot better together because they know how to be better together, they are a proper team and not just some individually talented group of players.

This is why I think it's quite easy to say that Chelsea needs to spend a lot more time together, instead of keep selling/firing players and keep getting better ones. That is of course same issue for United but the yare probably trying to change that soon, they still got awful a lot of players, but they are trying their best to change the ship around with this new INEOS ownership, trying to be more like Arsenal and not like Chelsea.

This will take some years of course, look at Yoro and Hojlund, they are already injured, so you can't see United be awesome right away, but in a few years they could actually be good, they just need time to build some chemistry.
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Will this be Arsenal's year I wonder... For the last 2 years they have been trying and trying but still not PL title at the end of the day.  Sad  Especially that effort in the last season was incredible!

Arteta wants to see a real striker in the club but still no agreement made with a player. Gyökeres has been at the centre of their rumours for the position but sill no result. He would be a great choice in fact.

If Merino rumours are also true then it would be for the benefit of them. He has drawn more attention after Euro 2024 as you know. Merino - Gyökeres both can make a big addition to team productivity.  Smiley
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Their friendly results in general tell us a lot about how prepared they are. Yes, they aren't ready obviously. Am I surprised with that? No, of course.  Grin

There is a small amount of time like 2 weeks left for new season to start. They still don't know what they are doing in the transfer market. For example they signed Filip Jorgensen. Why? Was there a need for an extra goalkeeper?  Huh  You have Sanchez, Petrovic, Kepa who can be used as starters. Now you have brought another goalkeeper who would surely like to have a good level of playing time. How can Enzo Maresca deal with all of them without making any of them unhappy?  Sad

I won't come here saying I know him too well or saying I've watched him but he will be an upgrade to them all.



Football has really evolved and for you to catch up with other clubs you need to get players who are good examples of a modern day player or goalkeeper.
Filip Jorgensen is a modern day goalkeeper, when it comes to making saves, passing skills with both legs as a goalkeeper, ball distribution and confidence, he got that. You can go see his highlights for Villarreal last season.

Sanchez is a flop, do I need to tell you that again? Petrovic is not a good ball playing goalkeeper so he cannot thrive under the new manager. I'm afraid he needs to find a new club and the same with Arizabalaga Kepa. Real Madrid wants him anyways. I don't know how this ends for him.

As for how they play, Chelsea will improve, I feel like they'll have a good start with this manager. Go tale a look at the history they had with Italians. Enzo Maresca will also be another successful Italian manager managing Chelsea I'm certain. He needs to solve the defense anyways.
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Chelsea is not ready for the season and I'm curious to know who are the brilliant signings Chelsea has made so far this transfer window. They can't even decide if they want to keep Gallagher or sell him. Chelsea has over 50 players in their first team, if I'm not mistaken the players should be close to 60 and you feel they're ready? What are they doing with that amount of players? Chelsea signs new players every week, and they haven't sold. How will they pick 11 players that will play each match with 5 substitutes? But that is not even the bigger issue, the bigger issue is that these players are not proven players, they're just average young players with a bit of potential.
You look at Chealsea's starting 11 or full squad and you'll never believe they spent over a billion to assemble those players.

Their friendly results in general tell us a lot about how prepared they are. Yes, they aren't ready obviously. Am I surprised with that? No, of course.  Grin

There is a small amount of time like 2 weeks left for new season to start. They still don't know what they are doing in the transfer market. For example they signed Filip Jorgensen. Why? Was there a need for an extra goalkeeper?  Huh  You have Sanchez, Petrovic, Kepa who can be used as starters. Now you have brought another goalkeeper who would surely like to have a good level of playing time. How can Enzo Maresca deal with all of them without making any of them unhappy?  Sad
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I think Chelsea is ready for the English Premier League which will be kickoff in a couple of days. This is not a good time to start blaming or throwing uneven odds, there are hope for the future of the Blues. Chelsea made brilliant signings and we understand how the scope of the new coach. I'm happy with the new development of the Blues and Todd Boehly wouldn't jeopardized with the club's budget. He ensures he goes for the very best available factors and Enzo Maresca will help us achieve the ultimate budgets on the lists.

Chelsea is not ready for the season and I'm curious to know who are the brilliant signings Chelsea has made so far this transfer window. They can't even decide if they want to keep Gallagher or sell him. Chelsea has over 50 players in their first team, if I'm not mistaken the players should be close to 60 and you feel they're ready? What are they doing with that amount of players? Chelsea signs new players every week, and they haven't sold. How will they pick 11 players that will play each match with 5 substitutes? But that is not even the bigger issue, the bigger issue is that these players are not proven players, they're just average young players with a bit of potential.
You look at Chealsea's starting 11 or full squad and you'll never believe they spent over a billion to assemble those players.

It becomes very useless of course, having many players in the squad but not really promising for good results. Thus, there is certainly no certainty for Chelsea whether they are ready or not to be a team that can compete  strongly in the title race next season. But indeed, if only considering the many players in the squad, at least it can be said that Chelsea is ready to play with many rotation that is safe to do because it has many players.

But the problem is, none of them are really capable of making Chelsea have consistent results throughout the season. Indeed,  Enzo Maresca is highly expected to be able to improve Chelsea's performance and quality but anyway, throughout the pre-season matches also the fact that they are difficult to get impressive results. Therefore,there is still no guarantee about the quality that Chelsea has, because the competition in the Premier League is also certainly becoming more difficult.
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Chelsea is not ready for the season and I'm curious to know who are the brilliant signings Chelsea has made so far this transfer window. They can't even decide if they want to keep Gallagher or sell him. Chelsea has over 50 players in their first team, if I'm not mistaken the players should be close to 60 and you feel they're ready? What are they doing with that amount of players? Chelsea signs new players every week, and they haven't sold. How will they pick 11 players that will play each match with 5 substitutes? But that is not even the bigger issue, the bigger issue is that these players are not proven players, they're just average young players with a bit of potential.
You look at Chealsea's starting 11 or full squad and you'll never believe they spent over a billion to assemble those players.
Chelsea’s problem started from their new owners, the new owners wanted a fast result from the team which was why they spent a lot of money to buy expensive players, they were not patient to give the coaches and the players time to get used to each other for a better result, they keep changing managers thinking it will yield a better result; now it has become a problem to them as they have gathered a lot of players which has now became a task for the new manager to chose among them who is starting and who is not starting.
There will be problem in the dressing room if Enzo Maresca is not careful with his selection, because some players will not be patient enough to wait for their time and there will be some unjust mode of selection depending on the managers choice.

Now, they have signed some new players again to add to the previous ones they had in their squad, and the manager must find space for them to play because he signed them.
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Pochettino experienced bad luck even though last season he was able to bring Chelsea to end the season in 6th place, the slow start they started made it difficult for Chelsea to penetrate the Champions League last season, but slowly their were able to penetrate the European League zone although in the end they failed to get it because of Manchester United victory  in the FA, but what Pochettino achieved is still not enough to keep him as Chelsea coach at this time, to be honest I think Pochettino dismissal as Chelsea coach was not because he failed to reach the European or Champions League zone next season but maybe there was another reason which caused him to be fired.
Of course there are reasons behind Pochettino's dismissal as Chelsea coach, one of which is Chelsea's performance which has not improved. Some other reasons I think of are that Chelsea and Pochettino failed to achieve the targets agreed in the contract, but I never knew what they agreed to in it. But whatever it is, Chelsea management should be able to give Pochettino more than one season to prove his capacity and ability as a coach. Of course one season is never enough to bring much improvement.

Chelsea new era has begun with a new coach who is considered capable of handling young players, Enzo Maresca, who succeeded in bringing Leicester City promotion to the English league last season, Of course, it is now the hope of management and fans to see Chelsea wil  be better in next season, and in fact to make this happen todd Boehly has budgeted a lot of money to recruit new players at this time, so that if Enzo Maresca fails to achieve perfect results next season, it is not impossible that he will be fired in a bad way by Chelsea later.
The same thing might happen to Enzo Maresca, who has now been appointed as Chelsea's new coach. Enzo Maresca is not a well-known coach like Pochettino, so it is likely that Chelsea will not retain him if the team's performance never improves as expected. Whoever the coach is, Chelsea definitely has targets they must achieve at the end of the season. Money must be paid with achievements, it is a business worth it.
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We see in the news that Chelsea have also bought some players. They are a very good team and they will continue to fight for the championship this year. Chelsea may not be champions but they should finish the league in the top ranks for the Champions League goal. I know how competitive the Premier League is. I hope they achieve the success they expect this year.
I think Chelsea is ready for the English Premier League which will be kickoff in a couple of days. This is not a good time to start blaming or throwing uneven odds, there are hope for the future of the Blues. Chelsea made brilliant signings and we understand how the scope of the new coach. I'm happy with the new development of the Blues and Todd Boehly wouldn't jeopardized with the club's budget. He ensures he goes for the very best available factors and Enzo Maresca will help us achieve the ultimate budgets on the lists.
Let's hope there'll be significant positive changes in the Chelsea team but we shouldn't expect magic to happen. It will still follow a normal process. It is more than 2 seasons now that Chelsea have not seen the top 4 of the English premier league. So, if they eventually see the top 4 this time around, it should be counted for Chelsea as a big achievement. It must not be to win the EPL as I know that Chelsea cannot win EPL this season. The only two teams prepared for winning the EPL this season remains Arsenal and Manchester city.

Chelsea is one of the things that has me thinking, something that I can't believe is that everything has gone so wrong for them in these past seasons, I could say that when it comes to doing things better in a team, Chelsea is specialist, I've seen how players pass through here and are not capable of making them win, now I see a slight improvement, but I don't know, maybe it's because of the pre-season? I don't know, I would say that things in this team lack what we call a bit of  "luck", this is what I can conclude, I don't know, I think that all the changes they have made should already turn out something good.
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The 2022/2023 season Chelsea must be stranded to the 12th position of the final standings in the English League, it is the season where they are slumped. Last season they managed to improve performance and they managed to be in position 6, at least it was good because they managed to increase. But instead of defending the coach who took them to rank 6 they actually replaced him with a new coach, even though his hope was that Chelsea could maintain their coach at that time. Even when they enter the end of the season their appearance is getting better by winning a row.


Now Chelsea have to re -value from the beginning because they will work with their Baaru coach, which is also a question of whether their decision is the right decision or this is the beginning of their decline. I consider Chelsea to be too rushed in taking the decrease to replace the coach, this is actually a very unfortunate thing because they did it when there was an improvement in performance.
Pochettino experienced bad luck even though last season he was able to bring Chelsea to end the season in 6th place, the slow start they started made it difficult for Chelsea to penetrate the Champions League last season, but slowly their were able to penetrate the European League zone although in the end they failed to get it because of Manchester United victory  in the FA, but what Pochettino achieved is still not enough to keep him as Chelsea coach at this time, to be honest I think Pochettino dismissal as Chelsea coach was not because he failed to reach the European or Champions League zone next season but maybe there was another reason which caused him to be fired.

Chelsea new era has begun with a new coach who is considered capable of handling young players, Enzo Maresca, who succeeded in bringing Leicester City promotion to the English league last season, Of course, it is now the hope of management and fans to see Chelsea wil  be better in next season, and in fact to make this happen todd Boehly has budgeted a lot of money to recruit new players at this time, so that if Enzo Maresca fails to achieve perfect results next season, it is not impossible that he will be fired in a bad way by Chelsea later.
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I think Chelsea is ready for the English Premier League which will be kickoff in a couple of days. This is not a good time to start blaming or throwing uneven odds, there are hope for the future of the Blues. Chelsea made brilliant signings and we understand how the scope of the new coach. I'm happy with the new development of the Blues and Todd Boehly wouldn't jeopardized with the club's budget. He ensures he goes for the very best available factors and Enzo Maresca will help us achieve the ultimate budgets on the lists.

Chelsea is not ready for the season and I'm curious to know who are the brilliant signings Chelsea has made so far this transfer window. They can't even decide if they want to keep Gallagher or sell him. Chelsea has over 50 players in their first team, if I'm not mistaken the players should be close to 60 and you feel they're ready? What are they doing with that amount of players? Chelsea signs new players every week, and they haven't sold. How will they pick 11 players that will play each match with 5 substitutes? But that is not even the bigger issue, the bigger issue is that these players are not proven players, they're just average young players with a bit of potential.
You look at Chealsea's starting 11 or full squad and you'll never believe they spent over a billion to assemble those players.
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Arsenal and Liverpool face each other in a friendly match which has already ended 77 minutes with Liverpool leading by two goals. Liverpool and Arsenal have entered the field today in this 4-3-3 formation.Mohamed Salah scored for Liverpool in the first 13 minutes to give his side the lead. However, they doubled their lead shortly after another team-mate F. Carvalho scored another goal in the 34th minute. At this stage of the game it looked like Arsenal might be playing badly as they couldn't defend their defense properly. As a result, Liverpool's players easily enter Arsenal's D box and put the ball in their net and even score goals. Arsenal's players did not let Mohamed Salah and Carvalho celebrate their goals for long, as Arsenal's Havertz scored a goal 40 minutes into the match to bring his side Arsenal level. So far in this match he is the only goal scorer for his team.

I'm more focused on Liverpool's gameplay in this game. Liverpool looked more solid than Arsenal with their new formation. Compared to Klopp's system, we are getting more bodies in the box under Slotball. Though it was a friendly game, I see no problem with the new formation implemented by Arne Slot. There are only minor changes to the squad. But, Liverpool's performance is getting better. I'm really enjoying the new formation. Also, i see no problem if Arne Slot decides not to sign a new player in the current summer transfer sewason.

Liverpool can compete for the trophy even if they still stick with the current lineup. The current squad looks so lively and energetic.
Arne Slot tactics and formation looks promising with the team, Likely that he wants to replicate his style of play during when he was at Feyenoord as their manager. But liverpool as a team is already in good shape in terms of the players we have in there and what that squad needs is for coach Arne Slot to apply the right winning strategy, boom! and you will have the team perform greatly under Arne Slot and not minding the fact his a new manager who needs time to understand his men, well on the other side I wouldn't be so fast to conclude with just this games and until we see what he will do within the first two -three months of his job with managing Liverpool during the main games.
If Liverpool can keep up their current form, they can enter the EPL title race, like last season. I'd also accept a minor change probably made by Arne Slot in the squad too. This is because some positions looked weak enough, but i think this is not a serious problem at all.

I also noticed that Liverpool didn't try to build wide as much last season. They got even more central than in previous seasons when Klopp was still there. Liverpool players also tried harder to penetrate space between the lines. This helped them dominate the game. It made Liverpool's midfielders more creative. It really helped them not to rely on Salah or others to create and make runs.
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We see in the news that Chelsea have also bought some players. They are a very good team and they will continue to fight for the championship this year. Chelsea may not be champions but they should finish the league in the top ranks for the Champions League goal. I know how competitive the Premier League is. I hope they achieve the success they expect this year.
I think Chelsea is ready for the English Premier League which will be kickoff in a couple of days. This is not a good time to start blaming or throwing uneven odds, there are hope for the future of the Blues. Chelsea made brilliant signings and we understand how the scope of the new coach. I'm happy with the new development of the Blues and Todd Boehly wouldn't jeopardized with the club's budget. He ensures he goes for the very best available factors and Enzo Maresca will help us achieve the ultimate budgets on the lists.
I think Chelsea is not ready to face the new season. Also, i don't really understand who you called that as brilliant signings by Chelsea. Chelsea is recruiting many inexperienced players. It's also selling its experienced ones, like Gallagher. Chelsea still has some friendly matches remaining against City and Inter
My point is that if Chelsea can equally to Manchester City and Inter Milan in the next friendly games. Then, I think Chelsea will do well in the current season.

Also, Chelsea is now trying to stay away from being sanctioned due to its violation of the PSR rules. To be honest, if you read the latest report on Chelsea's finances, it said they might get sanctioned by the FA. This is because their quarterly losses exceeded £105 million.
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Possibility lineup by transfermarkt

This looks really good by the way. Merino and Gyökeres both are great players. I really loved to watch Merino in Euro 2024 as well. You know Gyökeres, he is a goal machine.  Grin  This would be a great lineup to go for a league title.

Signing a CF is the most important thing for Arsenal now. This will help them become more consistent. Because in critical moments we have witnessed how they struggled to score goals. Otherwise I know they are a very productive team. They scored 91 goals the last time.  Smiley  Merino would be a much more reliable partner for Odegaard at the center. In this way Rice can continue to play as DM which is his natural position.
The arrival of Calafiori and merino means that Arsenal will have a pretty good main line up next season, especially if they also are able to bring in Gyokeres as the spearhead for next seasons  Arteta has brought in Calafiori who been able to play quite well as a left and center back so far, so I think that compared to Gabriel, it's Zinchenko who will losing his position as letf back in next season, last season Saliba and Gabriel became a very solid defensive for Arsenal so I don't think it's possible  Gabriel will be eliminated from Arsenal main squad,  Calafiori would be more suitable to replace Zichenko, because zichenko so far  weak in defense althoug he is capable of carrying out build-ups when arsenal attack, while Calafiori so far looks quite reliable in defense and also helps in attacks when he was still at Bologna, as for strikers of course Arsenal should be able to recruit Gyokeres even though currently he is priced expensively by Sporting, but this is normal because if we look at his ability to score goals very well so far, in my opinion gyokeres will be the right player to spearhead Arsenal next season, although it is not relevant to compare him with Haaland at the moment but I think if he plays at Arsenal then he could be Haaland competitor to become the top scorer in the English league.
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The 2022/2023 season Chelsea must be stranded to the 12th position of the final standings in the English League, it is the season where they are slumped. Last season they managed to improve performance and they managed to be in position 6, at least it was good because they managed to increase. But instead of defending the coach who took them to rank 6 they actually replaced him with a new coach, even though his hope was that Chelsea could maintain their coach at that time. Even when they enter the end of the season their appearance is getting better by winning a row.


Now Chelsea have to re -value from the beginning because they will work with their Baaru coach, which is also a question of whether their decision is the right decision or this is the beginning of their decline. I consider Chelsea to be too rushed in taking the decrease to replace the coach, this is actually a very unfortunate thing because they did it when there was an improvement in performance.
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