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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 13, 2024, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: HajiBagi on November 13, 2024, 03:13:51 AM

If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season,

One shouldn't forget that in what condition Arsenal were before Arteta took over. Arteta is the one who made Arsenal a team which are fighting for the championship every year. Therefore sending Arteta from the team would be the biggest mistake Arsenal can do. Arsenal's target should be to finish the league in top 4 and be successful in the Champions League this season.

If Arteta leaves Arsenal, it is not the best decision for the team because, since Arteta took over as manager, the club has performed well and finished in the top four. I have never seen Arsenal fight for the title every season, as they did under Arteta. I've always viewed Arsenal as a team that isn't capable of competing for both the league title and the Champions League at the same time; using their present players. They shouldn't be putting lots of effort into the Champions League because it will be difficult for them to get through to the final.

However, Arsenal had a better chance to win the Premier League over Manchester City last season if they had focused more on the Premier League matches with less on the Champions League. This is only the beginning of the season, yet it appears like Arteta is not capable of fighting for the championship this season since they have refused to learn from previous mistakes. But they need to do well and finish among the top four.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on November 13, 2024, 07:18:10 PM

Arsenal truly did needed a striker for them to actually be able to compete the use of Kai was actually not it but saying that arsenal doesn’t need Mikel merino Is not it. Arsenal needs a midfielder then to actually pattern Rice because of the way that the other midfielders were always out injured

With the kind of football Arsenal played for the past two seasons, they obviously needed more fluidity and creativity in the midfield. Merino won't give you that. Arteta went for security instead of creativity. Rice is a very good DM. He excels as a single pivot and also as a double pivot, so why was Arteta so keen on making sure he lined up with a double pivot when he could get a creative central midfielder who could assist both in defence and attack?
I expected him to go for a player with Berrela, Pedri, Fabian Ruiz, Gundugan, Camavinga profile. I'm not saying he should have gone with any of these players, but these are the kind of profiles he should have gone for.
A profile like that is creative, can press, help in defence and attack easily. To top it up, this is the kind of player that can replace Odergaard in the attacking midfield role if he gets injured.

As for Calafiori, was he necessary? I mean, Arsenal already had 4 CBs, why add another when you know your full-backs are not very effective in attack? It seems like Arteta didn't really know how he wanted his team to set up.
For context, Arsenal are interested in signing Martin Zubimendi. Another DM. what for exactly?

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Quote from: mamesso on November 14, 2024, 02:21:35 AM

Ruben Amorim has not done anything for Manchester United so far, so now is not the time to give a positive or negative response to him. Given his ability to handle Sporting CP, he is the right choice to replace Ten Hag, but he also needs to adapt to the EPL's style of play which is known to be hard and fast. It takes time to judge performance, we can't draw conclusions just from the beginning of his tenure. The good news is that Manchester United are on a positive track after being handled by Van Nistelrooy for four games, hopefully Amorim can continue that trend.

Remember we said the same thing when Manchester united hired Ten Hang? Yes, that's how it has always been and it will continue that way. Every new couch normally comes with hype and praises until they finally arrived and then realized that premier leg is not a child playground. It's the way media play their card with praise but end up killing tickets at the end. Although, Amorin is not that old and can possibly relate to Manchester united issues. Hopefully, he gets the backing he deserves from the board otherwise, he will fail just like the rest of the managers. Most importantly, they should give him time to build the team back to suppose greatness.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on November 13, 2024, 07:44:32 PM

Rodri is one of the mainstays of Manchester City's midfield but this player will not be able to play the entire season for Manchester City. If these important players cannot play for the team, then how will the team's condition improve? Those are the reasons for those looking for reasons behind Manchester City's current poor performance. If the important players of the team are not performing well and if the midfield position of the team is weak then the team performance of that team is not supposed to be good. Manchester City may still be doing well with their strength in other positions but if there were any other club in place of Manchester City they would have performed worse than Manchester City.

Manchester City's injury has indeed caused their performance to decline, with a series of matches that always ended in defeat, it proves that the problems they are experiencing are making it difficult for them to play, they can't continue like this because if they continue like this then they won't be able to perform well in every match, besides that with Guardiola himself saying maybe it's time for another team to become champions this season, I think it's hard for them to recover.

With the good news, their current central midfielder will appear with a knee injury that has turned around, he said that he will return to action for Manchester City. Of course this is good news for their team, because when he was absent their performance seemed to decline.
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Quote from: hyudien on November 14, 2024, 01:10:35 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on November 11, 2024, 03:05:36 PM

I think Ruben Amorim will be a chance for Manchester United. I trust the Portuguese manager. I think Manchester United can sign some good players from Sporting Lisbon. There will be names that Amorim knows. I am sure there will be players who will do well at Manchester United. I am very curious about what Gyökeres can do, especially if he is going to be transferred. I think he is a goal scorer with Premier League quality.

I will not rush to say Ruben Amorim is a coach who can make Manchester United better or not. because we have not seen how the performance he will present with Manchester United, besides that it takes several matches to see whether he will be able to bring Manchester United better or not. Many coaches were initially good but over time they could not be consistent, there are also coaches who were initially not so good but over time they got better. What I hope is that Manchester United do not rush to make a decision when at the beginning Amorim could not perform well.

Ruben Amorim has not done anything for Manchester United so far, so now is not the time to give a positive or negative response to him. Given his ability to handle Sporting CP, he is the right choice to replace Ten Hag, but he also needs to adapt to the EPL's style of play which is known to be hard and fast. It takes time to judge performance, we can't draw conclusions just from the beginning of his tenure. The good news is that Manchester United are on a positive track after being handled by Van Nistelrooy for four games, hopefully Amorim can continue that trend.

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Quote from: bitLeap on November 13, 2024, 11:34:17 PM

This International Break, many England National Team players are absent due to special reasons such as minor injuries and so on. There are 8 players absent, namely Arnold, Levi, Foden, Grealish, Palmer, Aaron Ramsdale, Declan Rice, and Bukayo Saka as reported by Fabrizio, but this makes sense because the Nations League is not very interesting and they are more focused on maintaining their health so they can strengthen their respective clubs. Moreover, with the increasingly tight match schedule, the club does not want to take the risk of losing important players.

In my opinion it is not only the England National Team players who will withdraw from the Nations League match. German, Spanish, and Italian National Teams will also most likely take the same steps to avoid injury.

source: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1856050390799712320

Those names are important players for their clubs. It's no surprise to see them absent from the international game. A third international break before mid-November is really absurd. I sympathise with the clubs on this issue. They should have played with their second team. But, i understand why so many players were pulled off from this pointless international break games. It's due to the bloated schedule. The better those players are absent instead of getting long term injury that can be a boomerang for their clubs. I hope that there will be a lobby between the nation and clubs regarding this issue.

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Quote from: bitLeap on November 13, 2024, 11:34:17 PM

This International Break, many England National Team players are absent due to special reasons such as minor injuries and so on. There are 8 players absent, namely Arnold, Levi, Foden, Grealish, Palmer, Aaron Ramsdale, Declan Rice, and Bukayo Saka as reported by Fabrizio, but this makes sense because the Nations League is not very interesting and they are more focused on maintaining their health so they can strengthen their respective clubs. Moreover, with the increasingly tight match schedule, the club does not want to take the risk of losing important players.

In my opinion it is not only the England National Team players who will withdraw from the Nations League match. German, Spanish, and Italian National Teams will also most likely take the same steps to avoid injury.

source: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1856050390799712320

Harry Kane was criticising some of the players who were absent from these two important games against Greece and the Republic of Ireland. He said that players should know that national duties supersede club loyalty. I am not comfortable with the captain's view because most of these players who pulled out of these international games have genuine reasons for that. He shouldn't expect injured players to risk their health for England games. This might be an indication that there might be a crack in the team that coach Lee Carsley is not properly handling. We are expecting to see how Thomas Tuchel will handle the team when he takes over in January.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c1jr97r6e7jo

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Quote from: W Jr. on November 11, 2024, 03:05:36 PM

I think Ruben Amorim will be a chance for Manchester United. I trust the Portuguese manager. I think Manchester United can sign some good players from Sporting Lisbon. There will be names that Amorim knows. I am sure there will be players who will do well at Manchester United. I am very curious about what Gyökeres can do, especially if he is going to be transferred. I think he is a goal scorer with Premier League quality.

I will not rush to say Ruben Amorim is a coach who can make Manchester United better or not. because we have not seen how the performance he will present with Manchester United, besides that it takes several matches to see whether he will be able to bring Manchester United better or not. Many coaches were initially good but over time they could not be consistent, there are also coaches who were initially not so good but over time they got better. What I hope is that Manchester United do not rush to make a decision when at the beginning Amorim could not perform well.

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This International Break, many England National Team players are absent due to special reasons such as minor injuries and so on. There are 8 players absent, namely Arnold, Levi, Foden, Grealish, Palmer, Aaron Ramsdale, Declan Rice, and Bukayo Saka as reported by Fabrizio, but this makes sense because the Nations League is not very interesting and they are more focused on maintaining their health so they can strengthen their respective clubs. Moreover, with the increasingly tight match schedule, the club does not want to take the risk of losing important players.

In my opinion it is not only the England National Team players who will withdraw from the Nations League match. German, Spanish, and Italian National Teams will also most likely take the same steps to avoid injury.

source: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1856050390799712320

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Quote from: EL MOHA on November 13, 2024, 07:18:10 PM

Arsenal truly did needed a striker for them to actually be able to compete the use of Kai was actually not it but saying that arsenal doesn’t need Mikel merino Is not it. Arsenal needs a midfielder then to actually pattern Rice because of the way that the other midfielders were always out injured

I still can't wrap my head around why they didn't buy a striker last year, or two years ago. I'm pretty sure even wannabe pundits know they want or need to buy one since months ago[1]. One pundit that I followed suggested that they didn't find a good option hence why they stuck with Havertz and other wingers, but surely multiple windows should be more than enough to find a second/third alternative. At the very least it will give them another option to attack the opponents to reduce their reliance on Saka, Odegard, and so on. CMIIW.

Quote from: Litzki1990 on November 13, 2024, 07:44:32 PM

Manchester City may still be doing well with their strength in other positions but if there were any other club in place of Manchester City they would have performed worse than Manchester City.

IIRC their underlying numbers are still good. The defence is definitely weaker but they should've scored more goals if the attackers had taken their chance. I mean having nearly 3 xG every match but scoring 1 goal shows there's trouble with their finishing.

[1] https://www.eurosport.com/football/transfers/2023-2024/arsenal-draw-up-striker-shortlist-as-chelsea-target-ivan-toney-summer-transfer-paper-round_sto10052614/story.shtml

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I agree with you. There is a possibility that City cannot defend their title this season because of their performance. This is the first time after several seasons that they have more than 3 consecutive defeats. Rodri's absence has a significant impact on City's game. This shows that Rodri is an important player in City after De Bruyne. Of course Pep will try to find some players in this transfer market. They can't just rely on one player like Rodri or KDB. And talking about the title, I think City will have a hard time defending it but they can still finish in second or third place. Other teams like Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea should be able to take advantage of this moment to get some points advantage over City. Because with the current number of points City still has a chance to become champions again.

Rodri will not play through out this season because his injury is the worst of them all. However, by the end of this month two players would have recovered and back to the team. It would be a very difficult task for City to defend the title for the fourth time, because they are not as strong as they used to be in the previous seasons. Liverpool is super hot, and has the high chance of winning the league than any club currently, only if they would be faced with their own challenges in the long run before the end of the season

Rodri is one of the mainstays of Manchester City's midfield but this player will not be able to play the entire season for Manchester City. If these important players cannot play for the team, then how will the team's condition improve? Those are the reasons for those looking for reasons behind Manchester City's current poor performance. If the important players of the team are not performing well and if the midfield position of the team is weak then the team performance of that team is not supposed to be good. Manchester City may still be doing well with their strength in other positions but if there were any other club in place of Manchester City they would have performed worse than Manchester City.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on November 13, 2024, 04:48:58 PM

Arteta has had the opportunity to sign players that can help him compete for the title, but instead, he went for players that are not too necessary. When people say Pep is not a good manager because he spent a lot of money on players, I laugh because other managers have opportunities to sign players to strengthen their squads but they focused on just signing good players.

Arsenal finished last season in second position, narrowly missing out on the league, but couldn't figure out why he lost the title at the later stage of the competition.
He already had Rice, Jorginho and Partey so Merino was not necessary. What he needed was a world-class goal scorer as a top striker. He also needed a creative central midfielder who could replace Odergard and also play with Odergaard so they could have more creativity on the field but he decided to buy a CB, now he's lining up with 4 CBs and 3 DMs, of course, his team's performance will drop.

Let me say I disagree with you on something first the Arsenal board do not casually buy players just like the way other managers in the clubs gets to biy every player that they can get their hands off, In fact Arteta is the most trusted manager that edu the director and the Arsenal hierarchy have ever believed. But still the availability of funds like Manchester city has been a problem for Arteta.

Arsenal truly did needed a striker for them to actually be able to compete the use of Kai was actually not it but saying that arsenal doesn’t need Mikel merino Is not it. Arsenal needs a midfielder then to actually pattern Rice because of the way that the other midfielders were always out injured

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 13, 2024, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: HajiBagi on November 13, 2024, 03:13:51 AM

If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season,

One shouldn't forget that in what condition Arsenal were before Arteta took over. Arteta is the one who made Arsenal a team which are fighting for the championship every year. Therefore sending Arteta from the team would be the biggest mistake Arsenal can do. Arsenal's target should be to finish the league in top 4 and be successful in the Champions League this season.

Yeah, I think if the target only finishes in the Champions League zone, it should be no problem for Arsenal because Arteta did it during the session. I don't know why he should leave Arsenal even he did a great job throughout his career. What the problem arsenal now is there isn't have pure striker to conversion assist from a great their midfielder. That problem easy to complete if they are active on winter windows transfer next. If Arsenal indeed to increase their target to be champion on premier league, they should be recruit pure striker like Viktor Gyokeres, maybe a bit impossible, but if they make the offer a lot of money, I will bet Sporting will think it again to do not taking it off.

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Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

Considering the of results of Arsenal in their recent games, I think this is a good development at the club as it'll help the manager and the club management to come to agreeable terms on which players that should be signed to the club when the January transfer window is opened. Arsenal at the moment doesn't have a good striker can help the club convert many of their chances as both Gabriel Jesus and Kai Havertz have not been prolific this season and if they can get a sharp striker by January, it'll help improve the performance of the club I think

In as much as I will consider the meeting of Mikel Arteta and the Arsenal owners as important and vital, I do not believe that giving Arteta a standard striker will be an assurance to win the English Premier League this season. I could remember last season and even season before last that Arsenal had all their players in form and willing to play, but they did not win the traffic because of Arteta's mismanagement of the players. Yes, Arteta misused or over used some key players which made them develop fatigue in the ending time of the league, when they were supposed to be more dedicated.
I am not seeing this year as Guardiola's year and also not seeing it as Arteta's year. Maybe Arne Slot can have it if he works hard for it.

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Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

I kindly wait for what's going to be the outcome from the meeting between Arteta and Kroenke. I mean Arteta has spent a lot of money since joining Arsenal in 2019. He has not yet won a single major trophy for the club (I'm not talking about minor trophies). It's not worth it with nearly 600 million he has spent since he came to the Emirates.

I predict Kroenke will give him less if he wants a new player during the winter transfer season.

The outcome will just be the release of more funds to the coach to bring in new players to the club. But I strongly doubt there is any magic Arteta will do then that will make them win the league. Although nothing is impossible but Arsenal have shown great weakness this season than last season when we expected them to win the league at some point. Therefore, I'm not expecting much from them beyond qualifying for the champions league next season which is what they do with ease most of the years. I feel it will be easier for Chelsea to win the league than Arsenal.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 13, 2024, 12:25:19 PM

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Arsenal head coach Mikel Arteta has set to meet with the owners of Arsenal the Kroenke family. Of which the agenda is to make preparations for the 2025 January signings of player in other to win the league. Pressure has been on Arteta's side because if Liverpool wins the league Arsenal's fans will take bad against him and he might lose his place as Arsenal coach. The club is becoming serious to get a strikers and more better players for the team to win the league this season.

The attention of the Kroenke family was drawn to the need for a new striker, winger to replace Saka, another goal keeper and a creative midfielder like Martin Odegard whose absent after an ankle injury affected the team so badly.

Considering the of results of Arsenal in their recent games, I think this is a good development at the club as it'll help the manager and the club management to come to agreeable terms on which players that should be signed to the club when the January transfer window is opened. Arsenal at the moment doesn't have a good striker can help the club convert many of their chances as both Gabriel Jesus and Kai Havertz have not been prolific this season and if they can get a sharp striker by January, it'll help improve the performance of the club I think

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 13, 2024, 03:13:51 AM

If I were Arteta I would leave the team after this season if Arsenal did not win the league title this season,

One shouldn't forget that in what condition Arsenal were before Arteta took over. Arteta is the one who made Arsenal a team which are fighting for the championship every year. Therefore sending Arteta from the team would be the biggest mistake Arsenal can do. Arsenal's target should be to finish the league in top 4 and be successful in the Champions League this season.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 13, 2024, 04:39:45 PM

Yep. Surprisingly, Man City didn't perform in their best form anymore. Liverpool is leading with 5 points. If Man City can't improve their performance, surely Liverpool will win the EPL title this season.

The conditions are still the same as last season where when they lost the playmaker in midfield and a good attack organiser then Manchester City is just like a club that can only create dominance without being accompanied by goals that make their slick performance while on the field not accompanied by maximum results.

Pep still can't fix this even though they have Kovavic as another option but in the end he is unable to back up KDB and Rodri at the same time.
This kind of condition is always repeated for Manchester City and not only this season but in the last 2 seasons they have also always received the same thing so I think it's not too strange when Manchester City are quite stuck and even have to lose in their last few matches.

No matter how strong Pep is, no matter how good they are in 90 minutes but in the end Manchester City also has problems that cannot be fully resolved and this is a task that Pep still has to anticipate so that this kind of performance does not occur when there is a problem such as injuries suffered by 2 important players in midfield.

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Quote from: hahay on November 13, 2024, 12:57:30 PM

If Arteta can find or get not a star player but has great potential, then of course it will be good for them to spend money. But, what I am curious about is, whether Arteta targets to get players who are already famous, because if that is the case then of course the selling value of the player will also be very high. What's more, even though Arteta has a target to bring in several players, basically this also still does not guarantee that Arteta will succeed in making Arsenal get the Premier League trophy. Because again and again, bringing in new players will also certainly take time to adapt. For example like Real Madrid, despite bringing in mega star players, but in fact the results are still bad so far this season. So, bringing in new players also really can't guarantee to get trophies for Arsenal.

Arteta has had the opportunity to sign players that can help him compete for the title, but instead, he went for players that are not too necessary. When people say Pep is not a good manager because he spent a lot of money on players, I laugh because other managers have opportunities to sign players to strengthen their squads but they focused on just signing good players.

Arsenal finished last season in second position, narrowly missing out on the league, but couldn't figure out why he lost the title at the later stage of the competition.
He already had Rice, Jorginho and Partey so Merino was not necessary. What he needed was a world-class goal scorer as a top striker. He also needed a creative central midfielder who could replace Odergard and also play with Odergaard so they could have more creativity on the field but he decided to buy a CB, now he's lining up with 4 CBs and 3 DMs, of course, his team's performance will drop.

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Quote from: Mame89 on November 13, 2024, 01:58:04 PM

The point is, if there are no purchases in January, don't dream that Arsenal can compete for the EPL trophy, even the league cup will not be won this season. Because it is very unfortunate that Arsenal's performance is as good as anything but if there is no deadly bomber in the front line then it will be useless. If Aubameyang was still at Arsenal, maybe Arsenal would have scored many goals with Arsenal's current game. So the Arsenal owner's steps to overhaul the squad in the transfer market later must be done by buying a goal-hungry striker, especially since the good news is that Odegaard has recovered from injury. But don't rely on Odegaard either, because if he is injured again there is no equivalent replacement, so besides buying a striker Arsenal must also buy or find other talents who can be in the midfield that controls the attack.

Liverpool this season is naturally the favorite to win, especially since they are currently very solid at the top of the standings, five points ahead of Man City and nine points ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool's current success is because Slot is good at playing Liverpool's balance rhythm. Not as explosive as the Klopp era, the intensity fluctuates but is stable, balanced by strengthening the defense and being able to maintain the stamina of the players so that they are not easily injured with a busy schedule.

Arsenal must sell Gabriel Jesus, he has not shown good development in his performance. Of course, one of the strong weaknesses is the front line because they do not have a goal-hungry striker. It will indeed have a bad impact if they fail to buy players in the January transfer market because other teams are very strong at this time, such as Liverpool. Losing the title could be quite painful for Arsenal because their squad is almost perfect and only needs a little overhaul in the upcoming transfer market.

With the poor rally lately, of course, fans are starting to feel anxious because Arsenal is 9 points behind Liverpool who are currently leading the standings. But on the other hand, Chelsea seems to have found their best form this season because up to the 11th match they played, Chelsea was able to achieve more satisfying results by ranking 3rd in the standings. The competition will be even tighter when the big teams start to lose control of their good performance.

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