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I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit disappointed in City's game this weekend.
With this much of a dominance:

With home advantage and one-player advantage for the entire 2nd half, you'd expect nothing less than 3 points.
Oh well, it could've been much worse if not for the super-late equaliser by Stones.
At least Haaland has proven he can also score in big games. He's now leading as the top scorer with 10 goals, which is 5 more than 2nd place.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 23, 2024, 01:43:19 AM

This clearly shows how City was only playing half the field against Arsenal. They struggled to break their opponent's defense. This is because their opponent did park the bus. It's even forcing Pep to sub some key players to equalize. They have been so awful since Haaland scored their first goal.
I was disappointed that they couldn't get the three points. But, I take the joy of them equalizing the scores in the last minute.

I don't think City played badly in that game. Arsenal really had a solid defense in that game. It was amazing when they were able to hold City to a draw even though they had to play with 10 men. I can't imagine how Arsenal would have performed if they played with 11 men. I think Arsenal would have been able to get the win if they had played with 11 men. A draw seems fair for both teams. Arsenal are strong contenders to win the EPL even though they have been unlucky for two seasons in a row.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on September 23, 2024, 03:25:25 PM

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Manchester City are not so hard to beat, we saw that yesterday against Arsenal, when you pay attention to their players age, they're all getting worned out and old. A good side with good energy and counter attacking system can hurt them badly. Michael Oliver spoiled that game, the whole world saw what he did. Officials in the Premier League Competition are goddamn biased.
Nuno Espirito Santos is one manager that did well during the pre-season games and he's yet to lose a game in the Premier League Competition. Next week would be against Fulham United, all I see is Nothingham Forest winning that game.

Yeah, there isn't such thing like Manchester City is unbeatable. Every team fails at one point. The only thing needed is to know how to play against them. Of course, having the right players for that would also be more useful.

Arsenal had all of that. Arteta looks like a mastermind against Guardiola. But I wish they didn't concede that last minute goal. It was devastating after seeing the way they defend.

Once again, Arsenal are on a really bumpy road. It isn't going to be easy to make it to the PL title as usual. I want to see them reaching there so much but we will see. I just hope they don't drop points in critical games again.

What Arsenal do after losing one player is natural and probably will also be done by Manchester City if they are ahead and only play with 10 men, but I think the match will be really tense if if the two teams play 11 vs 11, although Arsenal fail to maintain their victory in the last minute but at least they are still able to maintain a positive trend by not being defeated, but regardless of what happened in the match, it is clear that in that match Arsenal showed an extraordinary fighting spirit when facing the champions of the Premier League in a row, Arsenal who are indeed starting to show their current mentality is indeed worthy of being favored as the favorite to win but of course we still have to see how they are able to maintain their current consistency in every game this season.

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Quote from: tusandii on September 24, 2024, 03:57:13 AM

Quote from: X-ray on September 23, 2024, 01:43:19 AM

This clearly shows how City was only playing half the field against Arsenal. They struggled to break their opponent's defense. This is because their opponent did park the bus. It's even forcing Pep to sub some key players to equalize. They have been so awful since Haaland scored their first goal.

I was disappointed that they couldn't get the three points. But, I take the joy of them equalizing the scores in the last minute.

This is because their opponent is Arsenal, the main competitor in the EPL title race in recent seasons, so it is not an easy task for Manchester City to beat Arsenal even if we look at their statistics last season their performance is almost the same as this season Man City could not get full points when facing Arsenal and this shows how strong their opponent's defense is. But even so, at least Man City was able to equalize in the final minutes and both clubs got 1 point in this match, but Manchester City still remains at the top of the standings and has a difference of 2 points more than Arsenal.

I have never seen Arsenal defend like that. It was the first time I have ever seen Guardiola looking so confused and frustrated playing against Arsenal. I must admit that it felt so good to see City struggle to get points. This is the level I want to see Arsenal and the other top clubs in the EPL playing at, Arteta’s tactics played out well for Arsenal, it’s just unfortunate they didn’t get the best result but a point shared wasn’t so bad imo.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on September 24, 2024, 06:41:18 AM

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Liverpool are currently at the top of the points table although I think Manchester City have enough to do to win the title this season. We have seen Liverpool win Bournemouth game with Liverpool and they have added points from that win to top the points table. Anyway Manchester City is going to face Arsenal today, these two teams are very strong in EPL, I think Manchester City will win this match today. Manchester City is much stronger than Arsenal now and they perform well in every match so I think Man City will win this match today.

Surely you haven't forgotten what happened in the Premier League last season. Liverpool held the top position of the points table until almost midway through the previous season and we discussed Liverpool to win the Premier League title last season but they had a poor performance towards the end which meant they could not finish the season in a good position in the points table. Liverpool have started this season in a similar fashion but there are doubts whether they will be able to sustain their good form in the end. Arsenal and Manchester City are in tough competition with each team so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a tough competition between Manchester City and Arsenal towards the end of the season.

Liverpool was very tough last season too and it the last season they beat Manchester United 6-0. And the two clubs that are always at the top is Liverpool and Arsenal. These two clubs play tremendously every season. For predicting Manchester City to win this season is like an illusion because they can't and if you look at it very well, this season in EPL is more stronger than last season because the clubs that were not performing well in the last season are doing well in this season so we don't know if they can do better. Though it will be add to beat Arsenal and Liverpool but miracle can happen.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on September 22, 2024, 03:45:18 AM

Liverpool are currently at the top of the points table although I think Manchester City have enough to do to win the title this season. We have seen Liverpool win Bournemouth game with Liverpool and they have added points from that win to top the points table. Anyway Manchester City is going to face Arsenal today, these two teams are very strong in EPL, I think Manchester City will win this match today. Manchester City is much stronger than Arsenal now and they perform well in every match so I think Man City will win this match today.

Surely you haven't forgotten what happened in the Premier League last season. Liverpool held the top position of the points table until almost midway through the previous season and we discussed Liverpool to win the Premier League title last season but they had a poor performance towards the end which meant they could not finish the season in a good position in the points table. Liverpool have started this season in a similar fashion but there are doubts whether they will be able to sustain their good form in the end. Arsenal and Manchester City are in tough competition with each team so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a tough competition between Manchester City and Arsenal towards the end of the season.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 23, 2024, 01:43:19 AM

This clearly shows how City was only playing half the field against Arsenal. They struggled to break their opponent's defense. This is because their opponent did park the bus. It's even forcing Pep to sub some key players to equalize. They have been so awful since Haaland scored their first goal.

I was disappointed that they couldn't get the three points. But, I take the joy of them equalizing the scores in the last minute.

This is because their opponent is Arsenal, the main competitor in the EPL title race in recent seasons, so it is not an easy task for Manchester City to beat Arsenal even if we look at their statistics last season their performance is almost the same as this season Man City could not get full points when facing Arsenal and this shows how strong their opponent's defense is. But even so, at least Man City was able to equalize in the final minutes and both clubs got 1 point in this match, but Manchester City still remains at the top of the standings and has a difference of 2 points more than Arsenal.

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Quote from: len01 on September 22, 2024, 02:29:34 AM

Today's big match between Man City vs Arsenal.

In terms of H2H, these two teams always compete very tightly in terms of getting 3 points in each meeting and both teams have the same results in 5 meetings. However, if we refer to the previous season, Arsenal always performed well at the beginning of the season and if that happens, I am sure this match can end in a draw or a narrow victory can be obtained by Man City.

Man City odds @1.78
Arsenal @4.80
Draw @3.70

Looking at these odds, bookmakers still believe that Man City victory can happen and a draw is also one of the surprises that could happen. I might choose to bet on under 2.25 to get higher odds because both teams don't want to concede and have a very strong defense.

Yes, this match was really big and tough and in this match the players of both the teams played the match with all their strength and hard work but nobody got the victory. But I hoped that in this match, Manchester will get its success, but Arsenal did not let it happen. Yes, this is true, but it has been proven in this match as well. And most of the shots in the match came from Manchester, but they still managed to score two goals. And your hope has come true and the percentage you told them has also come true. I also thought Manchester would win but it didn't happen. But this was the idea of most people, but it did not happen. Yes, it was difficult to defend them and it was difficult for us to offer them, which resulted in a draw.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 23, 2024, 01:26:13 AM

Manchester City are not so hard to beat, we saw that yesterday against Arsenal, when you pay attention to their players age, they're all getting worned out and old. A good side with good energy and counter attacking system can hurt them badly. Michael Oliver spoiled that game, the whole world saw what he did. Officials in the Premier League Competition are goddamn biased.
Nuno Espirito Santos is one manager that did well during the pre-season games and he's yet to lose a game in the Premier League Competition. Next week would be against Fulham United, all I see is Nothingham Forest winning that game.

Yeah, there isn't such thing like Manchester City is unbeatable. Every team fails at one point. The only thing needed is to know how to play against them. Of course, having the right players for that would also be more useful.

Arsenal had all of that. Arteta looks like a mastermind against Guardiola. But I wish they didn't concede that last minute goal. It was devastating after seeing the way they defend.

Once again, Arsenal are on a really bumpy road. It isn't going to be easy to make it to the PL title as usual. I want to see them reaching there so much but we will see. I just hope they don't drop points in critical games again.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 23, 2024, 07:57:39 AM

People who watch football without bias these days will tell you that, Arsenal should have won this game but tue officials for this game single handedly supported a side yesterday. Its now very plain that Mikel Arteta has grown to be one of the best managers in the Premier League Competition and I would love to finally see him win the trophy.
Arsenal are not always parking the bus but they had to do thi gs that way so they could either win tat game or share the spoils. I'm not gunner but I say that they was the better side who should have won that game. The rivalry between them have been interesting and at tue same time fierce. VAR and match officials should do better in the Premier League Competition.

You have a point, the referee wasn't completely honest with Arsenal yesterday, even the extra time added seem too much to me but alot of people support the idea and justified it with excuse that alot of time was wasted even with those time Trosard misbehaved in the pitch. It's obvious but then again, the consequences of the actions seek to tough for Arsenal team but even at that, they draw the match anyway, they are the first to draw Manchester City which is good for their dominance in the league

Games that involves two teams that are both fighting to win the league obviously end this way. If it was Manchester city that was cheated like this and Arsenal is favour. We are going to say the same thing, you can see that Manchester City were happy with referee decision while Arsenal were angry especially when they were forced to play 10 against 11 and they had no choice to accept it anyways. That's football sometimes.

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City definitely shocked the world, it wasn't a game that we expected from them and they were seen as favourites for this game, and a ten man Arsenal army almost ended up getting a win if it wasn't for that last minute goal.

I rewatched the replay and I see that Haaland literally threw the ball to Arsenal player for trolling lol, that dude is so funny sometimes but if I was an Arsenal fan I would have been pretty mad, the disrespect is real, and on a game that they barely even won. It's clear that we are going to see Arsenal play quite good this season, they figured out their scoring troubles and I believe that their offense looks quite good, they didn't had any trouble scoring and that is something they desperately needed. Their defense is already good and I think it is going to be fine to see them play like this for a while longer, it won't be an issue and they may get some good wins. Premier league title run will be fun once again without a doubt.

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Manchester City's celebration after scoring the last goal shows how much effort they put into scoring a goal. It wasn't just the players who were happy or the players who celebrated, but the players as well as their mastermind Manchester City manager Pep Guardiwala had a great celebration. In other matches Manchester City have won, but such celebrations are not usually seen from the manager. Manchester City know that their closest rival is Arsenal so if they lose against Arsenal they will fall far behind in terms of points and it will be very challenging for them to recover these points later. Mainly keeping these issues in mind, Manchester City players tried hard to score and scored in the last minute to equalize the team.

If Manchester City loses the home match against Arsenal, then the points gap with Arsenal is only 1 point. But Manchester City's persistent efforts in maintaining their unbeaten record are worthy of praise, they did not stop trying to pressure Arsenal until the last minute and they succeeded in doing so. Arsenal really focused on defense in the second half and their strategy almost succeeded in beating Manchester City, but in the end Arsenal could not stem Manchester City's desire not to lose. Jhon Stones managed to score a goal, which kept Manchester City at the top of the Premier League standings.

One thing that can be praised about Arsenal's performance is that they have had a strong defense so far. Even though Arsenal played with 10 players from the second half, they really made it difficult for Manchester City to penetrate their defense. Raya is the best goalkeeper in my opinion, so I think we know why Arteta relies on him.

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Quote from: AYOBA on September 20, 2024, 04:05:16 PM

Although the up coming Arsenal match with Manchester City will be a tough for both teams, yeah indeed their match will little tough, because both of the teams are strong and there doing well this this season which everyone will like to claim their experts during the match; but started that arsenal are also try their not only try arsenal is also performing well this season because they don’t want repeat what has been happening for them in previous seasons.

Having expectations on a draw between Arsenal and the Manchester City I think is wrong prediction, even though both teams are strong that doesn’t guarantee to predict draw against them, I know arsenal will try to make everything possible by dominating their next coming match sure.

I understand that Barcelona not winning, well, actually losing, and Arsenal not winning might not be a big surprise for a lot of people. However, it was definitely a little unexpected, at least for me. Especially the loss of Barcelona. It is acceptable the draw of Arsenal against Atalanta. Atalanta is actually a better team than a lot of people think of them to be. But Barcelona losing is surprising.

The reason Barcelona lost is because of the red card in the 10th minute. But the bottom line is that Barcelona lost. I think Eric Garcia took a chance to see if he could get away with a yellow card but obviously, he couldn't. I will say that the red card was not worth it. If he was in the middle he could contribute later. But I guess I would have said the opposite if his red card could prevent the loss of Barcelona. Everything is very situational. He took a chance and it didn't work out in favor of him or Barcelona.

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City - Arsenal match ended 2-2, but Arsenal would have won the match very easily if Arsenal had not been down to 10 men.
While the match was 1-2, Trossard received a red card for the second yellow card in the extra time of the first half and Arsenal were down to 10 men. In the second half, City attacked the Arsenal goal for a goal, but Stones scored the goal they were looking for at 90+8. Extra time worked very well for City today. With this draw, City increased its points to 13 and continued its leadership.

Very easily you say? I doubt if it would have been an easy win for Arsenal without a red card. Manchester City had more goal attempts in the first half which means they were more in control of the game until Arsenal equalized and added a second goal and even at that City were still in control. The red card was at the end of the first half so it affected the performance of Arsenal players and they have to try and defend their lead which gave Manchester City more confidence to keep attacking until they succeeded in scoring an equalizer and shared the points at Etihad Stadium. It is so unfortunate that Arsenal had to suffer like this and still concede at stoppage time.

Manchester City fought hard enough to win this match but they did not succeed instead they managed to draw the match due to Arsenal's strong attack. When Arsenal took the lead in the first half, it was Arsenal's strong attack that allowed Man City to score. However, the Arsenal player was red carded towards the end of half-time and the team was left in a bit of a rut, as a result of which they did not defend well afterwards. If Manchester City hadn't scored late on they would have lost the match but Arsenal's red card saw them attack more powerfully and Manchester City equalized at the last minute.

Manchester City's celebration after scoring the last goal shows how much effort they put into scoring a goal. It wasn't just the players who were happy or the players who celebrated, but the players as well as their mastermind Manchester City manager Pep Guardiwala had a great celebration. In other matches Manchester City have won, but such celebrations are not usually seen from the manager. Manchester City know that their closest rival is Arsenal so if they lose against Arsenal they will fall far behind in terms of points and it will be very challenging for them to recover these points later. Mainly keeping these issues in mind, Manchester City players tried hard to score and scored in the last minute to equalize the team.

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Quote from: Issa56 on September 22, 2024, 03:00:47 PM

Arteta played well today.

By the way have you noticed Havertz during the game? Because I couldn't. Tongue

People have been mocking him for being completely ineffective. He even has a new record holding in his hands like having 0 passes for the whole game. Just how can you be like a ghost?

Liverpool did a good work with their last game you know. Other than that shocking loss against Nottingham, they are just doing good.

They are still the team with the most solid defense. Only 1 goal conceded after 5 weeks. That's impressive! So far they have been really good in big games they played too. First a 3-0 win over Manchester United and later a 3-1 win against Milan.

I can't wait to watch them against Arsenal and Manchester City. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: AprilioMP on September 23, 2024, 10:07:58 AM

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Arsenal performance yesterday was very interesting. Though I almost lose hope after the red card in the first half because of how strong man city are I was thinking that Man City we won them in the second half but to my greatest surprise arsenal players was able to hold the game 2:2 draw full time. However, looking at the wonderful performance of arsenal yesterday against Man City I think they are going to do more better in the premier league title this season.

I salute Manchester City but I salute Arsenal more because Manchester City were still unable to equalize the score until normal time and only in the extra minute they were able to score a goal to make it 2-2.
Something that is not easy to do for a team playing with 10 players.
Arsenal and Manchester City are still the teams that will compete tightly in the title race with Liverpool. These three teams have a big task with several competitions that they are playing this season.

So the point is, Manchester City almost lost because after all, the extra time was also quite long in the match, around 7 minutes, and Manchester City could just score a second goal or an equalizer at that time. But in reality, there are still many who mock Arsenal for only playing with full defense, they should have realized that Arsenal only played with 10 players, so it is natural for Arsenal to maintain a score of 1-2 even though they still conceded in the end.

After all, every team that plays against Manchester City even though they play with 11 players, more often than not those other teams also play by increasing their defense when playing against Manchester City. Moreover, if the team only plays with 10 players, then it is very natural for Arsenal to play with a priority defense. But apart from that, Arsenal is indeed a good team under Arteta, so the chance for Arsenal to be a team in the title fight will certainly still happen this season.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on September 23, 2024, 08:23:02 AM

Arsenal performance yesterday was very interesting. Though I almost lose hope after the red card in the first half because of how strong man city are I was thinking that Man City we won them in the second half but to my greatest surprise arsenal players was able to hold the game 2:2 draw full time. However, looking at the wonderful performance of arsenal yesterday against Man City I think they are going to do more better in the premier league title this season.

Just like you, many people including me were of the opinion that Arsenal are going to be thrashed in the second half of their game against Manchester City yesterday because of the red card Trossard was shown in the dying minutes of the first half but surprisingly, the Gunners held on and were less than 10 seconds away from claiming all three points from that game.
Arsenal's performance of yesterday I believe is a clear indication that they have improved from what we saw from them last season and that I think will give them an improved mentality of fighting for the league title this season.

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I was hoping that Arsenal would be able to pocket 3 points, but it turns out that Man City has admirable tenacity. We as the audience also get carried away by the atmosphere and feel the tension throughout the second half. It's a shame that Trossard did something he shouldn't have done. Maybe if there had been no red card incident, the match would have been even more exciting.

Arsenal seems to have a more promising performance and mentality this season, and Man City really have to be wary of them.

The Arsenal vs. Man City game was, of course, nervy. The Trossard red card did change the dynamics of the game. Arsenal actually did play rather well; even with 10 men, they put up a decent fight. Perhaps if the red card incident had not occurred, Arsenal would have taken all 3 points home. But what is obvious from this season is that Arsenal are much improved in performance and mentality and will be a real threat to Man City. It only makes the race for the title more interesting.

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That is Arteta's ingenuity in anticipating attacks from Man City which are very dominant in making attacks and we also know the closeness of these two coaches who used to work together, so it is not surprising that the tactics given by Pep to his squad were read by Arteta in Man City's game scheme with this draw. In my opinion, Arsenal deserves appreciation in holding Man City to a draw as the host, it is not easy for Arsenal but at least Arsenal did not suffer defeat even though they have to be in 4th position at this time, for the next match Arsenal will host Bolton and Leicester a very busy schedule for Arsenal at least Arsenal can win in the next two matches, in order to smooth Arsenal in the top standings at least back to second position or the top of the Premier League standings.

There was some exceptional intelligence from Arteta in reading Man City's game, especially with his background in his relationship with Pep Guardiola. It's not an easy task to hold a team as strong as Man City to a draw, and Arsenal should be appreciated for that effort. They're currently in 4th place; however, the next two matches against Bolton and Leicester could provide an ideal opportunity for Arsenal to collect full points and return to the top of the standings.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 23, 2024, 01:43:19 AM

This clearly shows how City was only playing half the field against Arsenal. They struggled to break their opponent's defense. This is because their opponent did park the bus. It's even forcing Pep to sub some key players to equalize. They have been so awful since Haaland scored their first goal.

I was disappointed that they couldn't get the three points. But, I take the joy of them equalizing the scores in the last minute.

That is Arteta's ingenuity in anticipating attacks from Man City which are very dominant in making attacks and we also know the closeness of these two coaches who used to work together, so it is not surprising that the tactics given by Pep to his squad were read by Arteta in Man City's game scheme with this draw. In my opinion, Arsenal deserves appreciation in holding Man City to a draw as the host, it is not easy for Arsenal but at least Arsenal did not suffer defeat even though they have to be in 4th position at this time, for the next match Arsenal will host Bolton and Leicester a very busy schedule for Arsenal at least Arsenal can win in the next two matches, in order to smooth Arsenal in the top standings at least back to second position or the top of the Premier League standings.

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Arsenal performance yesterday was very interesting. Though I almost lose hope after the red card in the first half because of how strong man city are I was thinking that Man City we won them in the second half but to my greatest surprise arsenal players was able to hold the game 2:2 draw full time. However, looking at the wonderful performance of arsenal yesterday against Man City I think they are going to do more better in the premier league title this season.

I salute Manchester City but I salute Arsenal more because Manchester City were still unable to equalize the score until normal time and only in the extra minute they were able to score a goal to make it 2-2.
Something that is not easy to do for a team playing with 10 players.
Arsenal and Manchester City are still the teams that will compete tightly in the title race with Liverpool. These three teams have a big task with several competitions that they are playing this season.

I was hoping that Arsenal would be able to pocket 3 points, but it turns out that Man City has admirable tenacity. We as the audience also get carried away by the atmosphere and feel the tension throughout the second half. It's a shame that Trossard did something he shouldn't have done. Maybe if there had been no red card incident, the match would have been even more exciting.

Arsenal seems to have a more promising performance and mentality this season, and Man City really have to be wary of them.

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