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Quote from: len01 on January 16, 2025, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: Slow death on January 15, 2025, 09:46:56 AM

I bet on Liverpool to win, I bet on Manchester City to win and I also bet on Chelsea, but it's unbelievable that I lost all 3 games. It seems to me that all 3 teams are not at their best. Liverpool were doing very well, but since they played Manchester United it seems that they have declined a little or maybe they are having very bad luck every time they play Nottingham Forest. If Arsenal wins then they will be able to reduce the difference in points they have with Liverpool, I hope Liverpool wins in the next games.

Yesterday's match really disappointed many fans and bettors. The draw for each popular team seemed unreasonable. But actually as a bettor who always takes risks, it will be an advantage when betting on a draw in all three matches. Not only Liverpool whose performance has been very good, but also Chelsea and Man City also appeared very attractive which made us think that victory would be easy to get. Unfortunately, the longer the match, the more mistakes were made by the top teams that made the match end in a draw.

While the draw on Liverpool game against Nottingham Forest was somehow expected in regards to how Nottingham Forest played them especially in defensive wise I won't say there were much disappointments.

Chelsea lost so many clear chances in the first half from the fact Jackson wasn't clinical and our players/defense did poorly to get that penalty. After that, I lost interest in watching the match. Thank God Recce James was able to get a goal through his freekick and we did get a draw. To be frank Chelsea needs to better in their coming matches in order to make it too four.

Manchester City bottled a two goals lead and Pep will be actually disappointed. Anyway, I think they will soon become better after their new signings and possibly get someone to alternate with Haaland who hasn't been having a good performance consecutively.

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Quote from: len01 on January 16, 2025, 10:48:05 AM

Yesterday's match really disappointed many fans and bettors. The draw for each popular team seemed unreasonable. But actually as a bettor who always takes risks, it will be an advantage when betting on a draw in all three matches.

Most people that placed bets on the match lost their bets because they never expected the result of those matches. I never believed Chelsea and Manchester City would get a draw in their matches, I was expecting those two clubs to win their matches easily, but they could only get a draw in there match. The two teams dominated the match, but they couldn’t get a win, I think it’s just better to be careful when gambling now, we are currently in the second phase of the competition, and we should be expecting surprises.

I knew the Liverpool vs. Nottingham Forest match wouldn’t be easy, and I never had confidence in Liverpool to get a win in the match, I was even expecting them to lose the match because Nottingham Forest is just a dangerous club this season. They are really performing well, and they were able to get a win against Liverpool in the first leg of the match, so I expected the match to be so difficult for Liverpool.

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Quote from: len01 on January 16, 2025, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: Slow death on January 15, 2025, 09:46:56 AM

I bet on Liverpool to win, I bet on Manchester City to win and I also bet on Chelsea, but it's unbelievable that I lost all 3 games. It seems to me that all 3 teams are not at their best. Liverpool were doing very well, but since they played Manchester United it seems that they have declined a little or maybe they are having very bad luck every time they play Nottingham Forest. If Arsenal wins then they will be able to reduce the difference in points they have with Liverpool, I hope Liverpool wins in the next games.

Yesterday's match really disappointed many fans and bettors. The draw for each popular team seemed unreasonable. But actually as a bettor who always takes risks, it will be an advantage when betting on a draw in all three matches. Not only Liverpool whose performance has been very good, but also Chelsea and Man City also appeared very attractive which made us think that victory would be easy to get. Unfortunately, the longer the match, the more mistakes were made by the top teams that made the match end in a draw.

I also bet on those three matches, but I just assumed that I had bad luck and didn't assume it was an unreasonable result. Because for me, any result in any match will still make sense, which makes us not accept the result, because we have the expectation of winning the bet. Thus, I consider it something that is still reasonable and natural to happen in sports results like this, because in sports and or soccer any result can happen.

At the same time, I realize that Chelsea also from the previous few matches has experienced a decline, Manchester City is also still trying to get up. But about Liverpool, that Nottingham is in an impressive trend at this moment, because their first meeting is also the fact that Nottingham beat Liverpool, and Nottingham managed to maintain its good performance in the second meeting against Liverpool, so for a draw for them for me still makes sense even though I also lost the bet.

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What's going on with Leicester City? I thought Ruud van Nistelrooy was the solution to the problems when he was appointed as the manager. But it seems I was wrong because they have not improved at all. The Foxes have conceded 16 and scored just two in six games. The Dutch manager had a good result when handling Manchester United temporarily and one will begin to wonder what is wrong this time. Maybe he doesn't have the right players that will make him do well or his strategies are ineffective. If nothing is done to change this poor run, Leicester might go into relegation.

What RVN showed when he was interim coach of manchester united was actually very impressive, so it was an attraction for leicester city management to recruit him as coach, at the beginning of RVN coaching, it actually looked very promising especially when they managed to win over westham and also draw with brighton, but after hope began to appear a little, RVN precisely failed to bring victory in their last 6 matches in the EPL and made leicester city even more immersed at this time in the relegation zone, I think mentality, players quality and adaptation might be RVN main problem at the moment, because leicester city is a new club he is coaching, so it seems he still needs a lot of time to understand and adapt to the new challenges at leicester, although I doubt if they will keep him until his contract is over later Grin

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Quote from: len01 on January 16, 2025, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: Slow death on January 15, 2025, 09:46:56 AM

I bet on Liverpool to win, I bet on Manchester City to win and I also bet on Chelsea, but it's unbelievable that I lost all 3 games. It seems to me that all 3 teams are not at their best. Liverpool were doing very well, but since they played Manchester United it seems that they have declined a little or maybe they are having very bad luck every time they play Nottingham Forest. If Arsenal wins then they will be able to reduce the difference in points they have with Liverpool, I hope Liverpool wins in the next games.

Yesterday's match really disappointed many fans and bettors. The draw for each popular team seemed unreasonable. But actually as a bettor who always takes risks, it will be an advantage when betting on a draw in all three matches. Not only Liverpool whose performance has been very good, but also Chelsea and Man City also appeared very attractive which made us think that victory would be easy to get. Unfortunately, the longer the match, the more mistakes were made by the top teams that made the match end in a draw.

Bettors needs to understand the games that goes on in the premier league are competitions and no one is a complete king. The fact Liverpool dominated the season thus far doesn't mean they are immune to poor performance. In a typical competition everyone gives their best to standout as the best and Liverpool is typically doing that.

Draws will happen even more often so the earlier we appreciate this the better. After all Liverpool didn't draw with low team because Nottingham Forest are also competing for the title. Every bettor should always be open to the two sides of a bet, it's either they win or a loss.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 15, 2025, 05:36:45 PM

^ full-time results of all of today's games.
I expected Arsenal to trip over Tottenham and lose points (as Tottenham has a good history of earning points on higher-rated clubs) but they delivered and jumped bak into 2nd place, 4 points behind Liverpool.

But I think another win by Newcastle is more worthy of being mentioned. It's their 9th consecutive win (all competitions considered) and 6th Premier League win in a row. Together with Nottm Forest, they prove to be a dark horse of this season. I don't expect them to win, but they surely have a chance for the top 3 or top 4 at the expense of much bigger and wealthier clubs such as Chelsea or Man City.

Arsenal won but not in the way I expected. I thought they would be more comfortable. But conceding the goal first must have made a change of plans. They still made a lovely comeback in the same half in fact and the final score difference could have been bigger.

Did you see the ankle breaker by Trossard? Grin

Jokes aside I hope Pedro Porro is healthy now. His fall was scaring. After this win the point difference with Liverpool is 4 but we shouldn't forget Liverpool still has a missing game also. As for Newcastle, I respect their rise a lot lately. I don't know how much longer they will keep up winning but they can once again be in top 4 race this season. I don't think they will have a big downfall. Especially while Isak is playing incredible...

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Quote from: Slow death on January 15, 2025, 09:46:56 AM

I bet on Liverpool to win, I bet on Manchester City to win and I also bet on Chelsea, but it's unbelievable that I lost all 3 games. It seems to me that all 3 teams are not at their best. Liverpool were doing very well, but since they played Manchester United it seems that they have declined a little or maybe they are having very bad luck every time they play Nottingham Forest. If Arsenal wins then they will be able to reduce the difference in points they have with Liverpool, I hope Liverpool wins in the next games.

Yesterday's match really disappointed many fans and bettors. The draw for each popular team seemed unreasonable. But actually as a bettor who always takes risks, it will be an advantage when betting on a draw in all three matches. Not only Liverpool whose performance has been very good, but also Chelsea and Man City also appeared very attractive which made us think that victory would be easy to get. Unfortunately, the longer the match, the more mistakes were made by the top teams that made the match end in a draw.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 15, 2025, 05:36:45 PM

What's going on with Leicester City? I thought Ruud van Nistelrooy was the solution to the problems when he was appointed as the manager. But it seems I was wrong because they have not improved at all. The Foxes have conceded 16 and scored just two in six games. The Dutch manager had a good result when handling Manchester United temporarily and one will begin to wonder what is wrong this time. Maybe he doesn't have the right players that will make him do well or his strategies are ineffective. If nothing is done to change this poor run, Leicester might go into relegation.

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Quote from: Slow death on January 15, 2025, 09:46:56 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on January 15, 2025, 02:47:34 AM

Manchester City balanced. Chelsea draw. Liverpool draw. Incredible Premier League. Surely many have lost money. LOL

yesterday was a very bad day for me:

I bet on Liverpool to win, I bet on Manchester City to win and I also bet on Chelsea, but it's unbelievable that I lost all 3 games. It seems to me that all 3 teams are not at their best. Liverpool were doing very well, but since they played Manchester United it seems that they have declined a little or maybe they are having very bad luck every time they play Nottingham Forest. If Arsenal wins then they will be able to reduce the difference in points they have with Liverpool, I hope Liverpool wins in the next games.

Maybe yes Liverpool can appear not as expected after the results received when facing Manchester United or other possibilities because of what he faced Nottingham Forest who was in the form of their best game.
I care about the bettors that I estimate many people failed because yesterday's match seemed like a match that made many predictions wrong.

Yesterday I wanted to say that the Arsenal match against Tottenham needs to be careful. It could be that Arsenal will win to make this league gambling more interesting until the end of the season. Didn't have time to be a post because I had fallen asleep, when I saw the results Arsenal won so that competition was getting tougher.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on January 16, 2025, 04:43:19 AM

Guardiola really loves Gundogan normally and that's why he wanted to bring him back to the team. But his performance has dropped very significantly recently indeed. Rodri's absence pushes Guardiola to select Gundogan for the starting lineup. Otherwise I don't think we would see him on the pitch. As Rodri is out for a long time maybe Guardiola would think of bringing a new DM before the end of this window.

At one of the post-match press conferences he said that his players are not getting younger, it is clear that he did not mean all the players, but this may apply to Gundogan, and he also mentioned this when he was asked why De Bruyne has become less likely to come out in the starting lineup.
I also think that Guardiola is not very happy with the goalkeepers' play, Ederson is sitting on the bench, and after the match with Brentford Guardiola completely lost his temper with Ortega, it was a terrible sight, Guardiola's nerves clearly can't withstand what is happening to the team.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 15, 2025, 04:52:08 PM

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If Nottingham Forest was successful this season as you said, I would pat them to them for the success they had been waiting for.

How do you define the success of Nottingham Forest? Win EPL trophy, finish in the top 3, or join UCL next season? I personally think that this team has been successful this season. In the last season, they were in the 17th place (almost in the relegation zone). It is surprised to see them in the top 3 EPL standings. If they keep playing consistently, I'm sure they probably finish in the top 5 at least.

Winning the Premier League trophy is not included in my definition of their success because Liverpool will be the team that will successfully record 20 Premier League trophies at the end of this season.

Finishing in the top 4 and playing in the Champions League next season is probably the definition of Nottingham Forest's success that I mean even though they have historically been there as a team that has won the trophy 2 times.
When you see their struggle last season which ended in the position you mentioned, of course it is surprising when this season they are showing their best form. Not only us, maybe many Premier League fans are also surprised.

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Quote from: tusandii on January 16, 2025, 03:15:21 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on January 15, 2025, 02:47:34 AM

Manchester City balanced. Chelsea draw. Liverpool draw. Incredible Premier League. Surely many have lost money. LOL

Now we review. Manchester City has 70% win because the score is 0-2. In fact Brentford equated a score of two goals in 10 minutes.
Chelsea won but Bournemouth was able to turn things around to 1-2. Finally the final minute drama made a draw.
How about Liverpool? Describe yourself. Crazy.

OMG that was an unexpected result luckily I missed yesterday's bet if I bet I might have suffered a loss too because Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool have been favorites to win this match but it turned out they were only able to get a draw, for the Liverpool match I think it's not too surprising because Nottingham Forest is not a club that can be underestimated this season so the draw is a pretty satisfying result for them for Chelsea and Man City it's a shame they were only able to get a draw when they were quite dominant in controlling the match.

Well, we can't blame the top clubs for not being able to win their games against supposed smaller or weaker clubs, the game of football is full of surprises and the unexpected, if it was easy for top clubs to beat smaller or weaker clubs, maybe we wouldn't have had to call their encounter a game or a match.

A lot of people did lose money in yesterday's games specially with the mentioned clubs, but I believe this is nothing new to bettors, there are always days like yesterday, and there's nothing we can do about it other than accept the loses and move on to the next.

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Quote from: Josefjix on January 16, 2025, 03:01:48 AM

It's really shocking me that Nottingham forest is standing on top 4 on the table since they are newly relegated side to be this strong at the start of the season up to this moment, I am really thinking this team can perform like the way Leicester did last time they collected the premier League title, do you think Nottingham can do such miracle?

That’s what they’ve got in view, to rewrite the Leicester City story in the premier league history. They’ve been astonishing and don’t look like a team that would let any of the top teams ride on them. In fact, they are one of the top teams now, despite them coming from relegation over the course of last season. When they played Liverpool just recently, they very much disoriented the Liverpool play in the first half and got them into a counter attacking contest.
The game was much different in the second half but, you could see the courage of Nottingham Forest. I don think they could manage a win of the trophy this season though.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on January 15, 2025, 06:15:19 AM

Many gamblers will be disappointed with Chelsea's result, they had expected the match to favor the home team. Chelsea had a lot of opportunities and attempts, but wasn't enough to win. Chelsea, on the other hand, puts at risk their chances of finishing in the top four this season, they are two points ahead of Newcastle, and if Newcastle beats Wolves in today's game, they will take over fourth place from Chelsea, while I believe they are saying goodbye to the next Champions League.

Newcastle are unstoppable. Their winning streak is now 6 games. Shocked

They really deserve top 4 as long as they maintain this level. Isak has a big role in this though. 15 goals and 5 assists. More than 50% goal contribution considering Newcastle have scored 37 goals in the league so far.

Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on January 15, 2025, 06:39:51 AM

City got disappointment result due doe the Pep's horrible sub. He should not sent off Kovacic for Gundogan. This subs made the team fall down during the last minutes. It's really unacceptable Gundo has been declining so hard. Pep must never put him on the pitch. He's a setback for his club.

Guardiola really loves Gundogan normally and that's why he wanted to bring him back to the team. But his performance has dropped very significantly recently indeed. Rodri's absence pushes Guardiola to select Gundogan for the starting lineup. Otherwise I don't think we would see him on the pitch. As Rodri is out for a long time maybe Guardiola would think of bringing a new DM before the end of this window.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 15, 2025, 05:41:06 PM

Nottingham Forest's coach must be thanked for such unprecedented improvement. With the help of Nuno Espirito Santo, Nottingham Forest is performing well consistently. At the same time, the reason for Nottingham Forest's good performance is their strong defense. Because the defense is strong, it has become a little easier for this team to perform well.

It's really shocking me that Nottingham forest is standing on top 4 on the table since they are newly relegated side to be this strong at the start of the season up to this moment, I am really thinking this team can perform like the way Leicester did last time they collected the premier League title, do you think Nottingham can do such miracle?

After promotion three seasons ago, they continued to be at the bottom of the Premier League and even in the last two seasons they have had to struggle to stay in the Premier League, so it is surprising to see what they has shown this season in the league, the consistency and outstanding performance of non-star players has made them now able to be at the top of the Premier League and even be able to outperform a team that this season which spent more than 200 million (chelsea), Nottingham Forest have a pretty good chance of competing for the title this season, because they has shown consistent form and are able to face strong teams in the league, but for this season it looks like Liverpool are still the main favourites to be winner given their quality and experience.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on January 15, 2025, 02:47:34 AM

Manchester City balanced. Chelsea draw. Liverpool draw. Incredible Premier League. Surely many have lost money. LOL

Now we review. Manchester City has 70% win because the score is 0-2. In fact Brentford equated a score of two goals in 10 minutes.
Chelsea won but Bournemouth was able to turn things around to 1-2. Finally the final minute drama made a draw.
How about Liverpool? Describe yourself. Crazy.

OMG that was an unexpected result luckily I missed yesterday's bet if I bet I might have suffered a loss too because Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool have been favorites to win this match but it turned out they were only able to get a draw, for the Liverpool match I think it's not too surprising because Nottingham Forest is not a club that can be underestimated this season so the draw is a pretty satisfying result for them for Chelsea and Man City it's a shame they were only able to get a draw when they were quite dominant in controlling the match.

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Quote from: Dzwaafu11 on January 16, 2025, 02:49:45 AM

Seriously. All the matches ended as expected; all the teams expected to win tried their best to win the match, although, as you said about Everton, I didn’t expect them to win because of that new coach they got. Now that Aston Villa will win the match, Everton has a new coach, and this is the reason why the manager will think of bringing in new strategies that will suit his squad, and since it’s going to be a new strategy, the players will find it hard to play as they used to, so that is why I think Aston Villa will get the win.

Not everyone agrees with the results of yesterday's match. This is one of the matches that surprised the fans. The team that should have won instead lost, the fact that the direction was not as desired. Everton's defeat was normal, perhaps their new coach did not fully understand the position of the players, so it took several matches to can win. I'm not sure Aston Villa will win next week's match and it won't be easy for them to beat their opponents without hard work and a balanced team contribution. The match between Crystal Palace vs Leicester and Arsenal Tottenham was very interesting, the results were as expected.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 15, 2025, 05:41:06 PM

Nottingham Forest's coach must be thanked for such unprecedented improvement. With the help of Nuno Espirito Santo, Nottingham Forest is performing well consistently. At the same time, the reason for Nottingham Forest's good performance is their strong defense. Because the defense is strong, it has become a little easier for this team to perform well.

It's really shocking me that Nottingham forest is standing on top 4 on the table since they are newly relegated side to be this strong at the start of the season up to this moment, I am really thinking this team can perform like the way Leicester did last time they collected the premier League title, do you think Nottingham can do such miracle?

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on January 15, 2025, 05:32:06 PM

Great football today I don't know about other but this was a very straight forward match day and the teams that were meant to win won. Aston Villa beat Everton today, a good football watcher would have expected that but I had a little skeptism because Everton just got a new coach, crystal palace beat Leicester this was expected because Leicester are not playing well right now and crystal palace are in form, Newcastle United best wolves this right here was the most straightforward and then Arsenal beating Tottenham in the north London derby ends the night.

Seriously. All the matches ended as expected; all the teams expected to win tried their best to win the match, although, as you said about Everton, I didn’t expect them to win because of that new coach they got. Now that Aston Villa will win the match, Everton has a new coach, and this is the reason why the manager will think of bringing in new strategies that will suit his squad, and since it’s going to be a new strategy, the players will find it hard to play as they used to, so that is why I think Aston Villa will get the win.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 15, 2025, 05:36:45 PM

^ full-time results of all of today's games.
I expected Arsenal to trip over Tottenham and lose points (as Tottenham has a good history of earning points on higher-rated clubs) but they delivered and jumped bak into 2nd place, 4 points behind Liverpool.

But I think another win by Newcastle is more worthy of being mentioned. It's their 9th consecutive win (all competitions considered) and 6th Premier League win in a row. Together with Nottm Forest, they prove to be a dark horse of this season. I don't expect them to win, but they surely have a chance for the top 3 or top 4 at the expense of much bigger and wealthier clubs such as Chelsea or Man City.

The only teams that I expect to win their games are Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa and that is what the result shows at the end, I expect Aston Villa to win Everton because Aston Villa is in good shape and also Newcastle to defeat Wolves, Who notice that Newcastle striker Alexander Isak is among the best players in the world right now, the player is doing well in every game and keep scoring goals to help his team, even Victor Gyokeres that is scoring goals from the beginning of the season is not scoring goals than Isak now and I think any team that gets the player will enjoy him but his price will be very high.

Arsenal won against Tottenham with a good performance yesterday, I was not surprised by the defeat because I know that Arsenal know how to play against Tottenham and when it comes to playing against Tottenham they always take it seriously like El Clasico of Real Madrid and Barcelona, Arsenal are getting close to Liverpool gradually but that doesn't mean that Arsenal have a chance to win the league title, Arsenal can still lose match against small team if they did not have a good striker, If Arteta did not get a striker next season he should be sack because it looks like he is not serious.

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