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It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes.
If Amorim didn’t sign new players, then I don’t think Manchester United will achieve anything serious, he just has to allow some players to leave the club and then sign some players. It’s obvious that Manchester United's problem is not only the coach, but some players need to leave the club, and Amorim will have to be given time to improve the club’s performance, Manchester United fans shouldn’t just expect changes within a short period of time. When the transfer window is open, I am sure he will sign some players who will be able to play the pattern that he wants.

You are absolutely right. Ruben Amorim needs to focus closely on the next transfer window. It will be essential for him to offload players who do not fit his style of play and are injury prone. This will create space for new signings who will align with his strategies and tactical patten. Enabling him to build a cohesive and competitive squad. Amorim has what it takes to make Manchester United a strong side in the Premier League again. However, fans must understand that this is a process of transition that requires time. Immediate result should not be expected.
Actually, Manchester United has a qualified squad today and they also contain quality players, but Manchester United's decline is only due to ten hag's inability to manage the potential of its players, even we can see that Nistelrooy who only coaches in a few matches is actually able to make their squad appear quite impressive, so this indicates a mistake not in the players but in the strategy and selection of the starting eleven,  Amorim have great coaching ability and he just needs time to find the right formation in my opinion, so I don't think if management will sign new players in near time, because they has spent more than 700 million euros in the last two seasons.
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You are absolutely right. Ruben Amorim needs to focus closely on the next transfer window. It will be essential for him to offload players who do not fit his style of play and are injury prone. This will create space for new signings who will align with his strategies and tactical patten. Enabling him to build a cohesive and competitive squad. Amorim has what it takes to make Manchester United a strong side in the Premier League again. However, fans must understand that this is a process of transition that requires time. Immediate result should not be expected.
The former coach didn't make good plans for the club, he was relenting on prominent results and looked where they got him? He was sacked because the team's board was dissatisfied with his stats and had no choice but to relieved him from his managerial duties, although he was given longterm contract but all didn't go well at the end. Manchester United have been in their worst form this season, unable to meet the necessary goals been lined out, that's no good sign for an elite team. Manchester United new headcoach would execute good plans for the club. It's just a matter of time before the manager triggered bigger moves. In the January transfer opening window, he would make more good signings for the club, probably his choice would linked to the important improvement of the club. Ruben Amorim is not complaining with his current squad, he would emphasize to make things happen this season.
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It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes.
If Amorim didn’t sign new players, then I don’t think Manchester United will achieve anything serious, he just has to allow some players to leave the club and then sign some players. It’s obvious that Manchester United's problem is not only the coach, but some players need to leave the club, and Amorim will have to be given time to improve the club’s performance, Manchester United fans shouldn’t just expect changes within a short period of time. When the transfer window is open, I am sure he will sign some players who will be able to play the pattern that he wants.

You are absolutely right. Ruben Amorim needs to focus closely on the next transfer window. It will be essential for him to offload players who do not fit his style of play and are injury prone. This will create space for new signings who will align with his strategies and tactical patten. Enabling him to build a cohesive and competitive squad. Amorim has what it takes to make Manchester United a strong side in the Premier League again. However, fans must understand that this is a process of transition that requires time. Immediate result should not be expected.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.
Although Manchester City are experiencing a dip in form and are considered underdogs against Liverpool, this doesn't make it an easy match for the Reds. As I've always said, football is a unpredictable sport, and there is always potential for an upset. Manchester City remains a top team, and despite their recent struggles, they still pose a significant threat to Liverpool when they face off in the Premier League this weekend. Both teams have high stakes in this match, with Liverpool aiming to capitalize on City's form and City looking to make a statement with a strong performance. I can’t make a prediction on the outcome of this match as it looks 50:50 to me.
From a bettor's perspective, looking at the odds given by the bookmaker, of course, you will think that Liverpool will win this match. But if we think realistically, of course we will say that a draw is more appropriate in this big match.
From H2H we can also see that the experience of both teams has a great chance of ending in a draw and I will not say that Man City is currently in bad form and betting on a draw is the best choice with big odds.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.

Liverpool is the favorite to win the match against Manchester City, we all know that Manchester City has not been playing well and they can't win at Anfield Stadium which is Liverpool's home, Liverpool has been in better shape this season than any team, Manchester City lost 6 matches in a row both Premier League and other League and I believe that will still repeat itself against Liverpool because Liverpool is very strong opponents that no any team should mess up with this season.

Pep Guardiola is complaining about his injured player and saying they should give him back his players and he is going to win the League, that is not an excuse because no player is missing in Manchester City than Rodri and no one will come out and tell me that Rodri is the reason why Manchester City can't play well, only a single player that is missing the so call best coach of all time can not win a game again, what will Carlo Ancelotti said when all Real Madrid important players are injured? Pep can't give excuses because Manchester City players are complete.
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A less than satisfactory debut for Amorim with Man Utd, but the draw did seem fair because Ipswich Town played very well at home, they were able to match Man Utd and even had better shots on target. With this result, hopefully Amorim can soon find the right formation that suits his wishes plus quickly adapt to the Premier League.
I will not say that Amorim's debut at Manchester United was a less satisfactory debut because we all know the situation that surrounds Manchester United, and we can't expect Amorim to perform miracles or magic at Manchester United at this time. Ipswich dominated Manchester United in this match, and if not that Manchester United scored an early goal against them, Ipswich would have beaten Manchester United in this match. Finding the right formation to use for this current Manchester United squad will not totally solve Manchester United problems. Manchester United needs some good players who can help the club play well and challenge for the league title.

If the opponent was not Ipswich, then I would also say it is reasonable for a draw result like that. But, because Manchester United opponent is only a promotion team Ipswich who is also in the bottom zone of the standings and then, this draw result is still a bad result and a bad debut for Amorim. After all, I also watched the match and in fact, Manchester United indeed play badly, Manchester United did not have a good performance like when it was with Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

After all, the reason Manchester United still appointed Amorim as a head coach was also because Manchester United believed that Amorim had quality. Do not let, because this reason is only about a debut  and takes time, but the fact remains that there is no good change for Manchester United from time to time. Because after all, about the previous coaches who got fired also at the beginning they were given the same time as is happening now, but in the end they still failed.
As far as the Premier League matches are concerned, all matches are tough matches, and until you play your match and win it in the Premier League, you are not certain of the 3 points. And this Ipswich in question, Manchester City only won them by one goal, and at that time Manchester City was in amazing form, but they couldn't score more than one goal against Ipswich. You saw how Manchester United players played poorly against Ipswich, so it is not Amorim's fault that he didn't get a win in his first match as Manchester United head coach. Even though Amorim was made Manchester United head coach so that he can change the situation at Manchester United, we can't expect him to do that immediately because Manchester United is filled with incompetent players, who will make any coach that is employed by Manchester United management find it hard to win matches. It is only when Amorim will sign new players at Manchester United that he will be able to do what he was employed for easily.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.
Although Manchester City are experiencing a dip in form and are considered underdogs against Liverpool, this doesn't make it an easy match for the Reds. As I've always said, football is a unpredictable sport, and there is always potential for an upset. Manchester City remains a top team, and despite their recent struggles, they still pose a significant threat to Liverpool when they face off in the Premier League this weekend. Both teams have high stakes in this match, with Liverpool aiming to capitalize on City's form and City looking to make a statement with a strong performance. I can’t make a prediction on the outcome of this match as it looks 50:50 to me.
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Onana providing that one point to United was the unexpected part, he is usually the worst one, and to be fair he almost got the goal they conceded as well, he was reaching it but defender put his head in, if it didn't touch United players, Onana would have saved that one too, which shows how amazing he could become when he is playing a good game, normally he isn't that great but this inconsistency is the reason fans are not sure about him.

Onana did play inconsistently, his performance sometimes still went up and down. But seeing his game yesterday, we can see his response to the ball's direction seems to have improved. He did it quite well.
Their new coach wants to see Onana's game be good and consistent. That will make him stay in the team, if not maybe he will also be released or even replaced with another goalkeeper if he doesn't play well.
Amorim will build his team, not only in their front line but also in the defense. We'll see later.
Onana has been one of the best performing players in Manchester United. Even if Amorim is going to drop some players to make room for his own players to come in, Onana should not be among those to be dropped. If the Manchester United players are doing well in the pitch, Onana will even perform more better. He is just one player that I know that Eric Ten Hag got right, of all the players he bought during his reign at Manchester United. If Manchester United decides to let go of Onana it will be difficult to get a goal keeper of his capacity in the January transfer window. Things would have been more worst for Manchester United if not Onana saves.
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I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

That game was a great chance for Man City to turn things around and prove to the World that the bad times are behind them, and it looked like that till the 74th minute. It's incredible how Feyenoord could come back from losing 3-0 with only 16 minutes to go, playing away game against what is considered to be one of the best teams in the world. But they wouldn't have done it of not for the City's embarrassing mistakes in defence.

Man City has conceded a total of 15 goals in the last 5 games, an average of 3 goals per game. Things are not looking very great for them. They need to get themselves sorted before Sunday or they'll likely lose the Premier League title.

Manchester City have played the last five matches where they have conceded 15 goals out of these five matches conceding three goals in each of their matches which proves that they have not only played with a weak midfield this season but also have considerable weaknesses in their defence. It was out of everyone's imagination that Manchester City, which has single-handedly dominated the English Premier League for the past few seasons, will perform so badly this season. Maybe Manchester City are trying their best but not succeeding. The way Manchester City is losing match after match while Liverpool is winning match after match, after a few matches it will be seen that the road to win the Premier League title has become very easy for Liverpool and it has become a very difficult equation for Manchester City to be at the top of the Premier League.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.
It will be a very interesting game even if Manchester City are currently struggling i still think it wouldn’t be easy for Liverpool to get all maximum points.

The odds seems fair enough to me because Manchester City are not in form, they have lost 5 matches and draw 1 in their last six games played and so they deserved the odds, they are not getting a bigger odd because its a big game and they will play better against Liverpool and won’t want the point gap to be too much.

No matter the form a big match is a big match and even with poor form anything can still happen and Manchester City could surprise us all, the odds are perfect. This is the perfect opportunity for Liverpool to extend their lead and run towards the title and playing at Anfield gives them more advantage also.
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I saw some of the previous meetings between the two teams and it was quite balanced so I plan to bet on a draw in the match later with odds @ 3.70 it will be quite worth it and the possibility of it happening is very big in my opinion.
Honestly I'm not so sure about the draw score, because playing away from home for Man City is very difficult so it's very impossible to happen, Liverpool is in good condition in several matches plus just defeated Real Madrid that could be a sign for Man City, the defeat that happened to Man City in the last 3 matches shows that there is a decline in performance in the Man City camp, regarding the odds @3.70 which I think does not affect the results on the field sometimes it is not so accurate with the final result of the match.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.
The chances of both teams are very tempting Liverpool are certainly favored to win at home against Man City but with such high odds I am a little hesitant because I am worried that the match will end in a draw, and the odds for a draw itself are also quite high so I think it is very difficult to make a choice in this match.
Yes I know Pep Guardiola's troops are indeed in difficult times right now but we also don't know when Man City will rise again and perform impressively to avoid the risk I might bet on BTTS with low odds @1.50.
This is quite a tough match, Liverpool is indeed very favored in this match because Liverpool is currently in top form and they will also play at home, moreover the odds @ 2.14 are very very tempting but what must also be realized is that Manchester City has everything and they can rise at any time, especially since this is a match between two top Premier League teams, of course there is more motivation from Manchester City to be able to rise in the match later.

I saw some of the previous meetings between the two teams and it was quite balanced so I plan to bet on a draw in the match later with odds @ 3.70 it will be quite worth it and the possibility of it happening is very big in my opinion.
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Onana providing that one point to United was the unexpected part, he is usually the worst one, and to be fair he almost got the goal they conceded as well, he was reaching it but defender put his head in, if it didn't touch United players, Onana would have saved that one too, which shows how amazing he could become when he is playing a good game, normally he isn't that great but this inconsistency is the reason fans are not sure about him.

De Gea for example had a level, he wasn't the greatest goalkeeper ever, but he had a level and he always played at that level, maybe he had some good games and bad games too, but not this volatile at all, Onana's best game is by far better than anything De Gea has ever done in all the years he was at United, but also Onana's worst game is much worse than a fifth division goalkeeper as well, I still remember the UCL game against Galatasaray they had, I could have done better lol. So, it's definitely a questionable situation.

Some levels of difficulty comprehending what's written above, but Andrea Onana was never a bad goalkeeper even for Ajax and also for Inter Milan. Manchester United had a last season honestly so it affected every single player playing for that club. It's good to see how he's shut these critics by upgrading his performance. I have nothing to say about DDG, he will always remain a Man United legend to myself.
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There is a Liverpool - Manchester City game in a few days. It is a really crucial one considering the title competition.



Here is the odds.

I would even expect Liverpool to have lower odds than that honestly.  Tongue  Because Manchester City have been experiencing really tough days recently. Did you see how Feyenoord got a point from them at Etihad by coming back from a 3-0 disadvantage?

Guardiola and his students are in a devastated condition. While Liverpool are doing great I think they are a serious favourite to win this game. There is a huge opportunity to make the gap 11 points. I wouldn't even be surprised if Arne Slot does some rotation against Real Madrid today.
The chances of both teams are very tempting Liverpool are certainly favored to win at home against Man City but with such high odds I am a little hesitant because I am worried that the match will end in a draw, and the odds for a draw itself are also quite high so I think it is very difficult to make a choice in this match.
Yes I know Pep Guardiola's troops are indeed in difficult times right now but we also don't know when Man City will rise again and perform impressively to avoid the risk I might bet on BTTS with low odds @1.50.
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I also expect that Chelsea will shift Manchester City to 2nd table this week. Manchester City will face a difficult match versus Liverpool which I think they won't be able to win that match because Liverpool will overcome it. but we can't ignore the fighting spirit Aston Villa squad, I see they've come back when they were able to hold Juventus last night. Boubacar Kamara has returned to strengthen the squad and became a key player to build an attack. This is an important situation which must thing Enzo Maresca, because if their defense line is unable to withstand the counterattack, I think the match will end a draw.
Chelsea deserve to be in top four with their continuos improvement since the last season and they have a squad with many young players who can be their core players for development in next several years like at least half of a decade. They can take over the second position from Manchester City after this week when Liverpool will possibly get points from Manchester City.

Whether Chelsea can be able to beat Aston Villa to surpass Manchester City is a first question, and the second question is whether Chelsea are strong and stable enough with their performances to defend this second position against Manchester City and some other clubs in coming months. I think it's still too early for Chelsea to join a title competition, they are improving but not enough to compete for the crown.

Chelsea is very likely to replace Manchester City as runner-up in the standings considering Man City's poor performance in the last few matches. However, it should be remembered that Chelsea is not the only one with 22 points, because there are also Arsenal and Brighton who also have the same points, namely 22 points. And in the 13th match later, you will find out who will replace Man City as runner-up. Because for Man City itself, they will face 2 quite tough matches, namely facing the top of the standings, Liverpool and the dark horse, Nottingham Forest. This will be a tough test for Man City in the midst of conditions that are not good.

And regarding the Chelsea match against Aston Villa, currently Aston Villa has performed poorly in several matches both in the UCL and in the Premier League, even they got a draw in a match that they should have won, such as when they faced Crystal Palace which ended with a draw of 2-2. Seeing how Aston Villa is currently performing, it seems very possible for Chelsea to get three points in this match.
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I also expect that Chelsea will shift Manchester City to 2nd table this week. Manchester City will face a difficult match versus Liverpool which I think they won't be able to win that match because Liverpool will overcome it. but we can't ignore the fighting spirit Aston Villa squad, I see they've come back when they were able to hold Juventus last night. Boubacar Kamara has returned to strengthen the squad and became a key player to build an attack. This is an important situation which must thing Enzo Maresca, because if their defense line is unable to withstand the counterattack, I think the match will end a draw.
Chelsea deserve to be in top four with their continuos improvement since the last season and they have a squad with many young players who can be their core players for development in next several years like at least half of a decade. They can take over the second position from Manchester City after this week when Liverpool will possibly get points from Manchester City.

Whether Chelsea can be able to beat Aston Villa to surpass Manchester City is a first question, and the second question is whether Chelsea are strong and stable enough with their performances to defend this second position against Manchester City and some other clubs in coming months. I think it's still too early for Chelsea to join a title competition, they are improving but not enough to compete for the crown.
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This week could be a nice chance for Chelsea to take 2nd place also.  Grin  Because Manchester City are still in trouble. Liverpool can turn this into an advantage to get closer to the PL title.

Let's go back to the Chelsea game... They are going to play a home game against Aston Villa. You know how fast Aston Villa have gone down in the PL this season. Emery can't find a solution for these bad results for a while. On the other hand Chelsea are on the rise. Even Jackson is scoring these days.  Tongue  While Enzo Maresca is doing a good job I expect another win at Stamford Bridge. 1.73 is pretty nice odds for Chelsea win, what do you say?
I also expect that Chelsea will shift Manchester City to 2nd table this week. Manchester City will face a difficult match versus Liverpool which I think they won't be able to win that match because Liverpool will overcome it. but we can't ignore the fighting spirit Aston Villa squad, I see they've come back when they were able to hold Juventus last night. Boubacar Kamara has returned to strengthen the squad and became a key player to build an attack. This is an important situation which must thing Enzo Maresca, because if their defense line is unable to withstand the counterattack, I think the match will end a draw.
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This week could be a nice chance for Chelsea to take 2nd place also.  Grin  Because Manchester City are still in trouble. Liverpool can turn this into an advantage to get closer to the PL title.

Let's go back to the Chelsea game... They are going to play a home game against Aston Villa. You know how fast Aston Villa have gone down in the PL this season. Emery can't find a solution for these bad results for a while. On the other hand Chelsea are on the rise. Even Jackson is scoring these days.  Tongue  While Enzo Maresca is doing a good job I expect another win at Stamford Bridge. 1.73 is pretty nice odds for Chelsea win, what do you say?
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Onana providing that one point to United was the unexpected part, he is usually the worst one, and to be fair he almost got the goal they conceded as well, he was reaching it but defender put his head in, if it didn't touch United players, Onana would have saved that one too, which shows how amazing he could become when he is playing a good game, normally he isn't that great but this inconsistency is the reason fans are not sure about him.

Onana did play inconsistently, his performance sometimes still went up and down. But seeing his game yesterday, we can see his response to the ball's direction seems to have improved. He did it quite well.
Their new coach wants to see Onana's game be good and consistent. That will make him stay in the team, if not maybe he will also be released or even replaced with another goalkeeper if he doesn't play well.
Amorim will build his team, not only in their front line but also in the defense. We'll see later.
Did Manchester United play any match yesterday? I thought their last game was last Sunday when they played a draw against Ipswich Town. Anyways, the Red Devils are reaping the fruit of patience. Andre Onana was very inconsistent and very challenging experience immediately he moved to the club from Inter Milan. But it is clear now that he has gained much confidence and now replicating his form in the Italian Seria A in EPL. Now most of the fans that called for his removal from the first team are now celebrating his superb performance.
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If the opponent was not Ipswich, then I would also say it is reasonable for a draw result like that. But, because Manchester United opponent is only a promotion team Ipswich who is also in the bottom zone of the standings and then, this draw result is still a bad result and a bad debut for Amorim. After all, I also watched the match and in fact, Manchester United indeed play badly, Manchester United did not have a good performance like when it was with Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

Some may see the match as a one that could have been a loss to Manchester United if it was a big team. Two things comes to mind at the end of this game. Firstly, this may be his first outing in the premier league and also Manchester United, so he’s just getting to know well how the pattern of play is in the league. Secondly, he may not have anything big to offer since he can’t win a small team as this in his debut for the club, fans expected more so he ought to have done better than that. He claimed the players are scared and they have to let that fear go off them before they can perform well, we await to see the change in them in their upcoming match and give Amorim a benefit of doubt as that was his first game and outing in the premier league.

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After all, the reason Manchester United still appointed Amorim as a head coach was also because Manchester United believed that Amorim had quality. Do not let, because this reason is only about a debut  and takes time, but the fact remains that there is no good change for Manchester United from time to time. Because after all, about the previous coaches who got fired also at the beginning they were given the same time as is happening now, but in the end they still failed.

Amorim talks with much confidence after he was given the mantle of leadership as the head coach of the team. He believes in himself and also feels he’ll be able to deliver the team this season. His first outing may be bad but if he’s determined and wants to really achieve what he set out to accomplish for this club, then we should be expecting something better in the coming matches he’s going to be playing with the team. I like his confidence, I just hope he can be better than the past coaches and bring the lost glory back to Manchester United once again.
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