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Quote from: Farma on October 02, 2024, 04:32:10 AM

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

Although the season is still in its early stages, MU fans are already fed up with their favorite team. After 8 matches in all competitions since the beginning of the season, perhaps now, some directors on the MU board are gradually regretting the decision to give coach Ten Hag another chance. In 8 matches, the Red Devils have only won 3 times, mostly against weaker opponents such as Fulham, Southampton, and Barnsley. Meanwhile, in matches that had a big impact on honor, such as the two matches welcoming Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur at Old Trafford, Ten Hag's army had to suffer humiliating results. It is a great humiliation for a prestigious team like MU. I am curious how long coach Erik Ten Hag can stay at Old Trafford.

The pressure on Ten Hag will be weighty in the next matches if MU in both away trips to Porto and Aston Villa, Ten Hag's future will be complicated to guarantee. I often prayed that MU would suffer another defeat so that the board of directors would soon fire coach Erik Ten Hag Grin

. MU suffered heavy losses because they trusted and pampered Ten Hag too much.

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Quote from: Farma on October 02, 2024, 04:32:10 AM

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

I support your opinion about the current bad things that are happening to Man United and we can't just criticize from one direction but also the players we need to see if they are contributing according to the strategy given by Ten Hag.
Of the majority of players that Man United have, I only see Garnacho who has maximum performance and always gives a very good contribution.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Manchester United is currently in a big dilemma to keep Ten Hag or fire him, because after Ferguson's retirement we can see that none of the coaches are really able to bring Manchester United to win the league, so maybe they also think that Manchester United current problems cannot be solved only by changing coaches, but apart from that, of course, considerations and also actions must be taken immediately at this time to prevent Manchester from falling further in the future, the defeat to Tottenham Hotspur is of course difficult to say if it has anything to do with the red card received by Fernandez, because after all from the beginning of the game they have started the game very badly, I think the appeal made by Manchester United is indeed reasonable considering the referee decision of 50:50 regarding whether or not the violation is feasible to get a red card , But I think, without a change in Ten Hag game strategy in the next match, even with Fernandez in the squad, there will not be much difference at all in the chances of winning.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on September 30, 2024, 01:31:51 PM

Erik ten Hag should have been sacked towards the end of last season following his dismal performance in both premier league and UCL however I believe winning FA against Man City must have been a relief for him which must have prompted their board to have a change of decision by giving him more time, however despite the massive amount of money spent last summer for new signings yet the club had not made any significant improvement which should be attributed to Erik ten Hag lack of enough tactical input to the team, I think in nextfew days definitely a decision would be taken.

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City in the FA Cup final did save Erik Ten Hag's coaching career so the management kept him and thought the coach would give better results at the beginning of this season by providing the player facilities he needed, but in fact he could not give good results in the Premier League his performance was still inconsistent like the previous seasons I think the management must make a definite decision regarding the future of this coach and provide a solution so that his club does not continue to experience poor performance.

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Quote from: MainIbem on October 02, 2024, 02:20:21 AM

I saw in a news channels on X that Manchester won the appeal for a wrong Red card call by the referee in the match against Tottenham and it has been unturned thereby allowing Bruno Fernandes to play in their next match against Aston Villa, this is a boost for Manchester United to have their Captain back but in recent times, he's out of form and needs to put in more effort to help Manchester United in this hard times, Bruno Fernandes in previous seasons have helped Manchester United which enabled him to become the Captain but his days would be numbered if he doesn't improve, I think the new led Ineos regime won't tolerate any weak legs that would drag the club backwards they'll begin to look for a replacement for Bruno Fernandes if things doesn't change before the next transfer window. As for Erik Ten Hag, the has just the match against Porto and Aston Villa to prove himself worthy else the board would have to take drastic measures on the managerial situation.

Apart from that I think it doesn't have much of an impact, although Bruno's role is very central in the Manchester United team's midfield, but the Manchester United team's problems are now in all lines and with the bad results they received in the last series of matches, the team's mentality and confidence have been so low that it is difficult for them to rise.
This weekend Manchester United will visit Aston Villa's headquarters, this is not an easy job, especially since Aston Villa is a team that is quite strong when playing at home so I think there is a big potential that Manchester United will get bad results again.

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Quote from: Nheer on October 01, 2024, 04:30:35 PM

Clearly Bournemouth was the better team and they deserved the win. Southampton didn’t play like a team that wanted the point they played very casually and so Bournemouth easily took advantage to secure all 3 points.
Southampton later grew in the game towards the end of the match but it was too late and their effort was not enough all they could get was more possession and were hardly a threat to the defense.

Southampton needs to be careful if not they may end up in the relegation zone battling to go out of the zone all season, they need to improve their game as soon as possible to avoid relegation. Bournemouth on the other hand are far from the zone but they also need to improve a bit and try to win matches to remain out of the relegation zone.

Southampton will probably get relegated this season if they continue playing like this. Presently, none of their aclaim strikers are scoring goals but it's still insane to play without striker. I blamed Martin for starting the match without a striker. He allowed damage to be done before bringing in his average attackers who couldn't turn things around. There's no any term they can beat in Premier league with this kind of pattern.

Holding possession without scoring is very meaningless and moreover, you can not score playing in your own half. They're not playing better than championship teams at the moment because having one point after playing six games is totally a disgrace.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM

In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

I don't really know what Southampton came back to the premier League to do. If they can't even get a good result from smaller team like them, I wonder where they will get the good result from. Bournemouth scoring Southampton 3 goals doesn't look good on the side of Southampton, or are they hoping to get good results when they play the big teams? Well they can be lucky to get a point from Manchester United when they eventually meet 😁😁. I expected them to at least show more commitment in that match, because they know too well that if they don't gather points from mid table clubs like Bournemouth it will be difficult for them to survive in the premier League. Now they are losing anyhow, but once they meet Manchester United that's when they will shine, because that's how low Manchester United have deteriorated. All thanks to Eric Ten Hag.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM

In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

Of course Bournemouth players played very well in that match they were able to take the lead in the first half with 3 goals against Southampton and secured the game till full time. looking at the newly promoted teams performance I think Southampton and Leicester city is the worst among them because looking at the league table they are sitting on the relegation zone while Ipswich town is more better than them. However, looking at their performance now I think they really need to improve to enable them stay in the premier league next season.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on October 01, 2024, 04:41:43 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

I saw in a news channels on X that Manchester won the appeal for a wrong Red card call by the referee in the match against Tottenham and it has been unturned thereby allowing Bruno Fernandes to play in their next match against Aston Villa, this is a boost for Manchester United to have their Captain back but in recent times, he's out of form and needs to put in more effort to help Manchester United in this hard times, Bruno Fernandes in previous seasons have helped Manchester United which enabled him to become the Captain but his days would be numbered if he doesn't improve, I think the new led Ineos regime won't tolerate any weak legs that would drag the club backwards they'll begin to look for a replacement for Bruno Fernandes if things doesn't change before the next transfer window. As for Erik Ten Hag, the has just the match against Porto and Aston Villa to prove himself worthy else the board would have to take drastic measures on the managerial situation.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on October 01, 2024, 04:41:43 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

In other clubs, a manager is given responsibility for one season if he can do something good for the team in one season and if his strategy is liked by the management then the management extends the contract with him, but the current manager in Manchester United may be the auto choice. I don't know how bad the condition of this team will be, Manchester United will fire the current manager. Last season, Manchester United performed very badly in the previous season, so Manchester United should not rely on this manager at least for this season. His management strategy looks like Manchester United will do something similar this season as Manchester United did last season.

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Quote from: hahay on October 01, 2024, 03:11:13 PM

Perhaps, Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much because although Aston Villa played poorly, but Aston Villa still managed to win in the first round. With the victory in the first half, then maybe Aston Villa was too complacent, until finally Aston Villa had to endure the draw. Because after all, basically Ipswich is also a team that has not won at all so far and thus I think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much.

But even though this match only ended in a draw, but at least Aston Villa is also still in the top five which also only has a two-point gap with Liverpool who are at the top of the standings. Thus, I think Aston Villa still looks fine, Aston Villa just needs to stay focused despite only playing against the promotion team, because surprises can happen at any time.

But I don't think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich because in this match where Ipswich was able to score an early goal and that showed that the home team really wanted to find a win but in this match the opponent they faced was more difficult so the reply goal came so quickly. Even Aston Villa was able to turn things around in the first half and that slightly lowered the mentality of the Ipswich players.

However, in the second half where McKenna's team was able to maintain the stability of their playing style by increasing attacks when they had the chance and in the end Delap was able to score the second goal which made the score 2-2. My observation is that in this match Aston Villa threw away their chance to get 3 points because if they played more carefully they might have been able to maintain their lead until the end of the match but unfortunately they were unable to do that.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 04:35:54 PM

So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

Obviously there's no sign things will improve in the United team. No matter what assurance was given Erik Ten Hang! No matter how confident he might appear, if he doesn't do anything differently from what he is doing, his days are obviously numbered in the club.

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So here we go again, a new wave of main stream media speculating on Ten Hag's future, following the 0-3 loss at home to Tottenham, has surfaced today:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13225263/erik-ten-hag-why-are-manchester-united-and-ineos-continuing-to-back-the-dutchman-in-face-of-such-adversity
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13912787/Erik-ten-Hag-lacks-fire-PASSION-claims-former-Man-United-coach.html
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/01/sir-alex-ferguson-recommends-manager-man-utd-erik-ten-hag-replacement-21716385/

There's not much joy in the fact that Fernandes' red card got overturned by the FA and he'll be able to play in the upcoming games. After 6 rounds, United are on the 13th place, and there's no sign this will improve anytime soon. This is of course unacceptable for a 2nd richest club in the EPL.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 01, 2024, 01:50:09 PM

In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

Clearly Bournemouth was the better team and they deserved the win. Southampton didn’t play like a team that wanted the point they played very casually and so Bournemouth easily took advantage to secure all 3 points.
Southampton later grew in the game towards the end of the match but it was too late and their effort was not enough all they could get was more possession and were hardly a threat to the defense.

Southampton needs to be careful if not they may end up in the relegation zone battling to go out of the zone all season, they need to improve their game as soon as possible to avoid relegation. Bournemouth on the other hand are far from the zone but they also need to improve a bit and try to win matches to remain out of the relegation zone.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on September 29, 2024, 10:32:09 AM

The newly promoted Ipswich town is performing just very well in the England premier league. their game between Aston villa have just ended with a 2-2 score draw it was indeed an excellent performance from Ipswich town players, because before the kickoff I was thinking that it will going to be a most win for Aston villa due their good performance in the premier league but though Ipswich town was able to hold them full time draw, watching the game was indeed an interesting one for me.

Everyone expected Aston Villa to win the match because they’re the better team and base on what the result of the match of Manchester City against Newcastle United gave, if they’d win the match they should either be in the first or second position on the table. Ipswich town needed to limit how many goals they tend to concede against big teams and then maximize their wins against smaller teams. I really loved that they drew that match, at least they are no where close the relegation zone for now.

Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 29, 2024, 11:49:12 AM

It looks like Man United is really finished tonight, and I don't see them having a chance to win this game. Even just to equalize the score seems very difficult. They conceded a goal in the first half, and it was made worse when Bruno Fernandes received a red card for the foul he committed. Now the second half is underway, but it didn't take long for Tottenham to extend their lead. It was a shame Martinez had to make that mistake and because of that, they had to concede another goal.

Manchester United’s loss against Tottenham cannot be blamed to any red card. It’s normal to receive red card in a match now and also be the winning team. Arsenal received an early red card against Manchester City and they were able to hold on to them with so much pressure until the final minutes when they scored. Tottenham were just too better than Manchester United in that game and they were the better team and also deserved that goal.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on September 29, 2024, 06:50:05 PM

Quote from: Cityhunter34 on September 29, 2024, 10:32:09 AM

The newly promoted Ipswich town is performing just very well in the England premier league. their game between Aston villa have just ended with a 2-2 score draw it was indeed an excellent performance from Ipswich town players, because before the kickoff I was thinking that it will going to be a most win for Aston villa due their good performance in the premier league but though Ipswich town was able to hold them full time draw, watching the game was indeed an interesting one for me.

Well, luck was ran out for Aston Villa in this game. They dropped two points. They just were very poor in their gameplay. Their top and bottom were so sloppy in this game. They were very open at the back. This made them vulnerable to counterattacks. They were very imbalanced by not having a natural RB. Their players often give the ball away to their opponents.

Also, it's hard to figure out who was the best player in that game. Anyone who plays below their average may pay for it in the next games if they keep it up.

Perhaps, Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much because although Aston Villa played poorly, but Aston Villa still managed to win in the first round. With the victory in the first half, then maybe Aston Villa was too complacent, until finally Aston Villa had to endure the draw. Because after all, basically Ipswich is also a team that has not won at all so far and thus I think Aston Villa underestimated Ipswich too much.

But even though this match only ended in a draw, but at least Aston Villa is also still in the top five which also only has a two-point gap with Liverpool who are at the top of the standings. Thus, I think Aston Villa still looks fine, Aston Villa just needs to stay focused despite only playing against the promotion team, because surprises can happen at any time.

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In yesterday's match of Premier League Bournemouth vs Southampton, the match I saw between the two teams, Bournemouth team scored 3 goals. Southampton team scored 1 goal in this match. Between the two teams, Bournemouth team is at number 11 in the points table, while Southampton team is at number 19. Bournemouth team The players gave an excellent performance in this match from the beginning to the end of the game.

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Despite a poor performance shown by Manchester United. Yet again another problem is coming for them. They're being threatened by PSR if they fail to qualify for UCL. This is because the bad performance will decrease their income from the sponsorship. They may be losing a lot of their future income due to their horrible performances.

And i think, this is an old story that happened to the club who spent lots of money. The longer they're not at the top table, the harder it is to get back there. No matter the size or history of club.

What do you guys think about that? How big are their chances of getting back in UCL?

This is a prediction by OPTA.

Manchester United has a lower than 4% chance to qualify for UCL next season.

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Yesterday we saw some good matches in the English league. Manchester City drew 1-1 away to Newcastle. City continued to lose points in matches without Rodri and got their 2nd draw in the league. After leading the first half with Gvardiol's goal, City drew 1-1 with a goal from a penalty in the second half. City were the more active side in the match but struggled to find goals. Liverpool managed to take the lead with the win this week. Liverpool, who reached 15 points after a 2-1 win away to Wolverhampton, closed the week as the leader.

Actually Man City played very aggressively by taking many shots and 6 of them were on target but only 1 was successfully converted into a goal Newcastle's defense was very strong their goalkeeper was able to make 5 saves made by Man City players so they did try hard not to lose points a draw is not a bad result for both teams this is a fair result for them even though Man City had to be shifted to 2nd place temporarily but Man City can still catch up on the points they failed to get maybe in the upcoming matches they will come back if Liverpool are careless and lose some points.

That is why no party should be considered weak. Manchester City are certainly the stronger team than Newcastle in our calculations but the two teams have performed almost equally on the pitch. The scores of the two teams were equal to equal performance. No matter how good a team is on the field, if they can't score goals, a good performance on the field will do them no good. Manchester City may have kept the ball in their possession but more important than keeping the ball in their possession is the fact that Manchester City have failed to put the ball in the goal post of the opposing team. To win a big tournament, you always have to target the smaller teams and come up with a plan to win against the bigger teams, but if there is a point, it's not bad. A point against Newcastle means more pressure on them and they will have to equalize this points gap in another match.

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I just hear the song "you're getting sack in the morning" along with the match, which mean Ten Hag's position is currently vulnerable today. The official must think to replace the right coach for MU today if they want fans still come to old traford. From beginning this session Ten Hag can't mix the right strategy for MU even have some best player in his position.

It’s been slow coming but, it’s really coming. How can you have just a point to show after haven’t played 7points after 6 games played with a negative goal difference, that’s just bad, really bad. Ten Hag haven’t been a good coach with Manchester United and there isn’t any evidence that he would do any better this season. In fact, he might as well produce some of his worst this season if allowed to continue his management.
Zirkzee remains one of his best to the edition from the transfer season but, without a good tactics in play which he obviously doesn’t have (Ten Hag) and not a good supply of balls to the youngster, he would be just as ineffective as the rest. Manchester United needs a new coach.

I think it sounds obvious that the chant about ten hag's sacking was not only voiced by Manchester United fans in the match, even Tottenham fans also continued to provoke and mock ten hag by singing the same song (you are sacked tomorrow), what is happening for Manchester United at the moment is really very bad and maybe if ten hag coaches another team of course he has long been kicked out of his position as coach, but indeed Manchester United trust in Ten Hag is too great, so to be honest I don't think if Ten Hag will be sacked in the near time just because he lost from Tottenham, besides that if we look at what Ten Hag said after match end as we can see in @fabrizio Romano tweet it actually seems to show that his position as red devil coach is still very safe at the moment.

Ten hag has actually recruited a lot of good players so far besides Zirkzee, I think we all know how the quality of De ligt, ugarte, martinez, casemiro and also mazraoui at their previous club, but on the contrary precisly their performance started to decline during his time with Manchester United, so it does look like there is something wrong with the tactics and strategies applied by ten hag at the moment.

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