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Even though Liverpool has a great chance to win both the EPL and UCL this season, I’m not convinced they can make it happen. I don’t think Liverpool has what it takes to make it through the season without dropping form. Arne Slot has proven himself to be a very efficient manager and a worthy replacement for Klopp but I wouldn’t compare him to Klopp. Unlike Klopp who had to build the team from scratch, Arne Slot was handed a top quality squad who are not new to success so it is easier for Arne Slot to build on the strengths of the team and continue from where Klopp left off.
Yep, Liverpool is a team that strong in the beginning and middle season, but they're become poor in the late season. It's different to Manchester City which always consistent, I still think Manchester City has better chance to become a champion in this season.

Pep still have a lot time to figure out his team, they won't continue their lose streak.
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Today's match is Brentford vs. Bournemouth. I am curious if Bournemouth will continue to maintain its positive trend. Because they was managed to overcome big clubs, Arsenal, Aston Villa, and most recently defeated Manchester City on Vitality Stadium. I admit, Bournemouth has a high fighting spirit when meet a big team, they seem to be facing a big challenge when face clubs above their ability. I don't know how they overcome clubs with the same strength as them. On other side, Brentford have the ability win the match when face clubs like Bournemouth on their home either. This will be an interesting match because the chances of winning between them are almost equal.
It is possible for Bournemouth to maintain their positive trend. At least to get a draw can be obtained by them based on what they have done until the 10th match.
The head to head of both is not convincing to say that Bournemouth can get a win.
In this match, Brentford does not want to lose any more points after in round 10 they failed to get points because in the extra minutes the opposing team made a comeback.
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Matchweek 11 has some interesting matches that we shouldn't miss, such as the match between Chelsea vs Arsenal. I think among the others, this match is the one that looks so interesting to many people because both teams seem to have equal strength with each other and it seems quite difficult to determine who is the favorite in this match. Their odds are currently:
Chelsea @2.75
Arsenal @2.55
Draw @3.50
But I decided to bet BTTS with odds @1.58 and also added 2 other important matches to get a greater of profit.

You have a good choice in these 3 matches.
But related to the Chelsea vs Arsenal match I actually have the confidence that Chelsea can have a greater chance of winning because currently Chelsea looks more stable and competing at home giving greater confidence to Chelsea players.
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We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day.
Do you mean to say Jorgen Klopp didn't do great as a coach in all the time he managed Liverpool? Klopp is known as the only Liverpool manager to have won 6 trophies with Liverpool including champions league, uefa super cup and even the premier league. His achievements with Liverpool is what the present manager Slot is really not going to attain anytime soon. So it baffles me to read that you saying Klopp never did well with Liverpool. Is laughable.
Liverpool have a great chance to win the EPL and UCL titles this season if they can maintain their consistency and performance until the end of the season, the ability possessed by liverpool at this time of course cannot be separated from the tactics, strategies and slot ability to manage the team well, Slot has brought many significant changes in the tactics and mentality of the team and it can be seen from their consistent and dominant performance in both competitions, But I think the achievements from slot this season should not make us compare him with Klopp, let alone consider slot better than Klopp in his first season, I think Klopp has left a squad that is qualified, strong, compact and has high fighting power so that slot has no difficulty building liverpool in his first season on coaching, if we compare the two coaches, of course slot is nothing compared to Klopp who has returned the glory of Liverpool after 30 years of slump.


If everything continues this way till the end of the season, it's possible that Liverpool will win EPL, but I am not sure of UCL, because there are many strong clubs in UCL that Slot might find difficult to win. Club like Barcelona will be a problem for Liverpool to defeat, because they have an outstanding performance this season with their new coach Flick.

Arne Slot has demonstrated his qualities as a good coach in bringing the team to a stable for with high level of consistency, and it is high time Liverpool win a trophy with such wonderful performance.
Just like you said, if everything continues like this till the end of the season, which is highly unlikely. Teams will always brings strategies to tackle each other, so I don't believe Liverpool will end up winning the premier league, if you can remember very well last season, a time came like this too where Liverpool where toping the league table for a reasonable period of time, we even hoped they will end up winning it, but at last, they ended up dropping points till Manchester city and Arsenal later came ahead of them. Yes they've changed the coach, but have they changed the players.  

As for the champions league,  it's an entirely a different ballgame, because it can be unpredictable sometimes, Liverpool can actually pull a stunt regardless of who they will be more meeting.
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After a fierce competition between Fulham and Brentford, Fulham finally managed to get 3 points in the final minutes to lock in a 2-goal victory.
Initially, Fulham was 1 goal behind Brentford, but it turned out that Fulham was able to take advantage of the final minutes when Brentford players began to lose focus.
Did anyone bet and watch the match?


I personally didn't watch the match and preferred to watch the highlights after the match has over, although it was the only Premier League match played yesterday, but the mid-table team factor that played made me prefer to sleep because the match was played too late at night in my country, but seeing Fulham's two winning goals that were obtained towards the end of the match, of course it shows their mental toughness and ability to come from behind is great, the comeback to victory after a quick defeat to Brentford in that game makes me think if fulham has improved quite a lot, the arrival of players like Smith Rowe, Sender Berge and Reiss Nelson has improved their performance this season, so I think if Fulham can maintain their performance and consistency like this of course not impossible if they can compete to end the season in the European zone later.

Fulham football team won the match by 2-1 ratio and that team played well in this match . H. Wilson did 2 goals in this match and he was the player who changed the side of match because before his goals match was towards the side of Brentford football team because they had done one goal in this match.  Janelt was the player who did first goal of this match and  did goal at 24 minutes of the match and after that time passed and no one became successful to do goal in this match and after all H. Wilson did come back in this match and he became match winner of this match and did 2 crucial goals in this match.
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Great performance by Liverpool tonight. They destroyed Leverkusen 4-0 at Anfield.
We can't say the same about Man City, who, surprisingly, got a pretty bad beating from Sporting and returned home with a 4-1 loss
Liverpool gave a fine show against Leverkusen last night in the champions league. Slot would appreciate Jorgen Klopp for leaving him with a standard and decent team with which he just came in and continued building on that form  now Liverpool stands in number one position on the EPL table ahead of Manchester City and Arsenal. While in the champions league they have been getting great results both home and away games.

For Manchester City, they are going through a challenging period both in the EPL and in the champions league, the absence of KDB and Rodri has really had a negative effect on their performance and they have fallen below expectation which to me the victory sporting had against them in the UCL was expected if we're to go by the loses they got in the EPL in their last two games.
We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day. However, apart from Manchester City not being in a good position in the Premier League, they are also in a somewhat weak position in the Champions League.
Even though Liverpool has a great chance to win both the EPL and UCL this season, I’m not convinced they can make it happen. I don’t think Liverpool has what it takes to make it through the season without dropping form. Arne Slot has proven himself to be a very efficient manager and a worthy replacement for Klopp but I wouldn’t compare him to Klopp. Unlike Klopp who had to build the team from scratch, Arne Slot was handed a top quality squad who are not new to success so it is easier for Arne Slot to build on the strengths of the team and continue from where Klopp left off.
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Today's match is Brentford vs. Bournemouth. I am curious if Bournemouth will continue to maintain its positive trend. Because they was managed to overcome big clubs, Arsenal, Aston Villa, and most recently defeated Manchester City on Vitality Stadium. I admit, Bournemouth has a high fighting spirit when meet a big team, they seem to be facing a big challenge when face clubs above their ability. I don't know how they overcome clubs with the same strength as them. On other side, Brentford have the ability win the match when face clubs like Bournemouth on their home either. This will be an interesting match because the chances of winning between them are almost equal.
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Matchweek 11 has some interesting matches that we shouldn't miss, such as the match between Chelsea vs Arsenal. I think among the others, this match is the one that looks so interesting to many people because both teams seem to have equal strength with each other and it seems quite difficult to determine who is the favorite in this match. Their odds are currently:
Chelsea @2.75
Arsenal @2.55
Draw @3.50
But I decided to bet BTTS with odds @1.58 and also added 2 other important matches to get a greater of profit.
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We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day.
Do you mean to say Jorgen Klopp didn't do great as a coach in all the time he managed Liverpool? Klopp is known as the only Liverpool manager to have won 6 trophies with Liverpool including champions league, uefa super cup and even the premier league. His achievements with Liverpool is what the present manager Slot is really not going to attain anytime soon. So it baffles me to read that you saying Klopp never did well with Liverpool. Is laughable.
Liverpool have a great chance to win the EPL and UCL titles this season if they can maintain their consistency and performance until the end of the season, the ability possessed by liverpool at this time of course cannot be separated from the tactics, strategies and slot ability to manage the team well, Slot has brought many significant changes in the tactics and mentality of the team and it can be seen from their consistent and dominant performance in both competitions, But I think the achievements from slot this season should not make us compare him with Klopp, let alone consider slot better than Klopp in his first season, I think Klopp has left a squad that is qualified, strong, compact and has high fighting power so that slot has no difficulty building liverpool in his first season on coaching, if we compare the two coaches, of course slot is nothing compared to Klopp who has returned the glory of Liverpool after 30 years of slump.


If everything continues this way till the end of the season, it's possible that Liverpool will win EPL, but I am not sure of UCL, because there are many strong clubs in UCL that Slot might find difficult to win. Club like Barcelona will be a problem for Liverpool to defeat, because they have an outstanding performance this season with their new coach Flick.
What I think Liverpool should do this season as per their good form this season is just to decide on facing one major trophy and chanel energy there mote as a target to secure for this season rather than wanting to chase both the UCL and EPL trophy as they might end at not getting any going in that way.  They can win the UCL if that what they chose to chase mostly as the only big team that's also in better form in this season's competition is Barcelona, other teams like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester city including Milan ain't that really a threat looking at how their performance has been poor since the resumption of the season. Frankly speaking, it's gonna be painful if they should end this season without any one of these trophies because there's no better timing than now, and to do that Liverpool would need to maintain their winning streaks.
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We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day.
Do you mean to say Jorgen Klopp didn't do great as a coach in all the time he managed Liverpool? Klopp is known as the only Liverpool manager to have won 6 trophies with Liverpool including champions league, uefa super cup and even the premier league. His achievements with Liverpool is what the present manager Slot is really not going to attain anytime soon. So it baffles me to read that you saying Klopp never did well with Liverpool. Is laughable.
Liverpool have a great chance to win the EPL and UCL titles this season if they can maintain their consistency and performance until the end of the season, the ability possessed by liverpool at this time of course cannot be separated from the tactics, strategies and slot ability to manage the team well, Slot has brought many significant changes in the tactics and mentality of the team and it can be seen from their consistent and dominant performance in both competitions, But I think the achievements from slot this season should not make us compare him with Klopp, let alone consider slot better than Klopp in his first season, I think Klopp has left a squad that is qualified, strong, compact and has high fighting power so that slot has no difficulty building liverpool in his first season on coaching, if we compare the two coaches, of course slot is nothing compared to Klopp who has returned the glory of Liverpool after 30 years of slump.


If everything continues this way till the end of the season, it's possible that Liverpool will win EPL, but I am not sure of UCL, because there are many strong clubs in UCL that Slot might find difficult to win. Club like Barcelona will be a problem for Liverpool to defeat, because they have an outstanding performance this season with their new coach Flick.

Arne Slot has demonstrated his qualities as a good coach in bringing the team to a stable for with high level of consistency, and it is high time Liverpool win a trophy with such wonderful performance.
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After a fierce competition between Fulham and Brentford, Fulham finally managed to get 3 points in the final minutes to lock in a 2-goal victory.
Initially, Fulham was 1 goal behind Brentford, but it turned out that Fulham was able to take advantage of the final minutes when Brentford players began to lose focus.
Did anyone bet and watch the match?


It was indeed a fierce battle between Fulham and Brentford. I initially thought Brentford would win, but Fulham staged an impressive comeback, equalizing in the 90th minute and then scoring the winner in the 97th minute of extra time. In my view, Brentford lost focus towards the end of the game. Even though my prediction was correct as I backed both teams to score, I still felt that Brentford should have managed the game better to avoid conceding two late goals.
I'm going to be coming from the angle of gambling. This is exactly why you can't really say you have a strategy for gambling or you are sure you are going to win because last-minute games like this happen a lot in football. You won't see it coming, you might think the team is an underdog, and just last minute they score either a draw or they score to win. But it was a really interesting game and I always enjoy last-minute games.

Also, it's good to be hopeful, anything can change last minute, though you are not sure, but you will be hopeful. I'm usually skeptic to cashout, but when I think about the fact that I will lose entire money if I don't cash out when I saw a reasonable amount of profit, I just end up doing a cash out. But last-minute games are crazy and interesting at the same time.
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But I see Amorim as more flexible in making game tactics than Ten Hag. He plays football with defensive and counter-attack tactics but he can also apply aggressive game if the opponent is a weaker team. I think Nistelrooy will be able to adapt and work with Amorim. Honestly I think it is easier for Nistelrooy to work with Amorim than Ten Hag. Sporting's victory over City has given great hype for Amorim. It was a great farewell because it gave victory to Sporting. And this is also a great gift for United because Amorim came to United after beating their rivals, Manchester City  Grin.
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We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day.
Do you mean to say Jorgen Klopp didn't do great as a coach in all the time he managed Liverpool? Klopp is known as the only Liverpool manager to have won 6 trophies with Liverpool including champions league, uefa super cup and even the premier league. His achievements with Liverpool is what the present manager Slot is really not going to attain anytime soon. So it baffles me to read that you saying Klopp never did well with Liverpool. Is laughable.
Liverpool have a great chance to win the EPL and UCL titles this season if they can maintain their consistency and performance until the end of the season, the ability possessed by liverpool at this time of course cannot be separated from the tactics, strategies and slot ability to manage the team well, Slot has brought many significant changes in the tactics and mentality of the team and it can be seen from their consistent and dominant performance in both competitions, But I think the achievements from slot this season should not make us compare him with Klopp, let alone consider slot better than Klopp in his first season, I think Klopp has left a squad that is qualified, strong, compact and has high fighting power so that slot has no difficulty building liverpool in his first season on coaching, if we compare the two coaches, of course slot is nothing compared to Klopp who has returned the glory of Liverpool after 30 years of slump.

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After a fierce competition between Fulham and Brentford, Fulham finally managed to get 3 points in the final minutes to lock in a 2-goal victory.
Initially, Fulham was 1 goal behind Brentford, but it turned out that Fulham was able to take advantage of the final minutes when Brentford players began to lose focus.
Did anyone bet and watch the match?


It was indeed a fierce battle between Fulham and Brentford. I initially thought Brentford would win, but Fulham staged an impressive comeback, equalizing in the 90th minute and then scoring the winner in the 97th minute of extra time. In my view, Brentford lost focus towards the end of the game. Even though my prediction was correct as I backed both teams to score, I still felt that Brentford should have managed the game better to avoid conceding two late goals.
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We can't use the past results of Chelsea vs. Manchester United to predict the upcoming game. Things have been changing a lot. I know, Manchester United always did well against the blues at Old Trafford. But statistically, Chelsea is well prepared than them.

that's enough to assume if Chelsea is a bit better than Manchester United at this moment. Importantly, Chelsea has had fewer injuries than Manchester United. So, I'm optimistic Chelsea will win soon. In Maresca we trust!
If Manchester United had played against Chelsea under Ten Hag then Manchester United would have been defeated in this match because if Ten Hag would not have adopted the same strategy that Manchester United played against Chelsea then Manchester United would have failed in one more match. In this match against Chelsea when Manchester United were awarded a penalty in the 70th minute and Manchester United were able to score from that penalty I thought it might be the match winning goal for them but it was not to be. Manchester United managed to score a goal in the 70th minute but 4 minutes later Manchester United conceded another goal and this was the last goal of the match resulting in a draw. Then I would say that Manchester United definitely did well in this match.

It was not that big of an improvement coming from Manchester United, and it was under Nistelrooy, so no major complaints. It was always supposed to be a difficult game coming, so fair play, at least they did not lose. Everyone got tired of Erik Ten Hag, so some change was very much welcomed, which was reflected throughout their performance. Everyone seemed more hungry to prove themselves before the new manager came in and joined them.

I think Enzo Maresca is settling in. It is taking time, but a new squad, a new management takes time. You can't compare Maresca to Arne Slot because what he is doing is just miraculous. No one expected that to happen.

Chelsea, if they somehow did better in terms of finishing, they could see a different ending to the match against United. They had the players they needed to win a match like that but gotta give credit to Man United for not letting Chelsea take the 50-50 chances. But if their finishing had a better day, Chelsea would have taken this match comfortably.
I have also seen many matches where Manchester United fought against another team and Manchester United was favorite over that team but Manchester United lost all those matches. There is no denying that Chelsea have at least been a stronger opponent for Manchester United than Manchester United in all the previous matches they have defeated. Manchester United was defeated because of the strategy of the one who was in charge of Manchester United earlier. The new manager has to take up the challenge and turn this weak team into a good one.  Everyone can do good by taking charge of a good team, but only those who can take charge of a weak team and turn that weak team into a good team are qualified.
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Liverpool gave a fine show against Leverkusen last night in the champions league. Slot would appreciate Jorgen Klopp for leaving him with a standard and decent team with which he just came in and continued building on that form  now Liverpool stands in number one position on the EPL table ahead of Manchester City and Arsenal. While in the champions league they have been getting great results both home and away games.

For Manchester City, they are going through a challenging period both in the EPL and in the champions league, the absence of KDB and Rodri has really had a negative effect on their performance and they have fallen below expectation which to me the victory sporting had against them in the UCL was expected if we're to go by the loses they got in the EPL in their last two games.
We can call Liverpool the best performing team in the Premier League so far and we can also call them the best performing team in the Champions League. Ever since Liverpool appointed a new manager, their team performance has improved greatly. The one who was in charge of Liverpool before came to the end of his career did not do well in the last few seasons for Liverpool due to which he resigned himself from the responsibility of Liverpool and Liverpool appointed another manager to their club. Although this manager was criticized at first, later this manager is proving that he is not a failure at all and the team under him can become the champion of the tournament one day.
Do you mean to say Jorgen Klopp didn't do great as a coach in all the time he managed Liverpool? Klopp is known as the only Liverpool manager to have won 6 trophies with Liverpool including champions league, uefa super cup and even the premier league. His achievements with Liverpool is what the present manager Slot is really not going to attain anytime soon. So it baffles me to read that you saying Klopp never did well with Liverpool. Is laughable.
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It's one thing to want to stay and work with the newly appointed permanent manager of Manchester United Ruben Amorim but also a whole different thing if the Portuguese manager is ready to work with him. For Ruud Van Nisterooy who was once one of the most important players of Manchester United under Sir Alex Ferguson, the passion to always give his best for the club ajd help the club succeed I think will always be part of him but the his fate on wether to stay longer at the club after the expiration of his interim role will be decided by Ruben Amorim and if at the end, the current manager of Sporting decides against working with him, he'll have to find a new job for himself
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Previously, Nistelrooy has said that his job was only a temporary coach before Amorim took over the team, besides that he also hinted that he would stay at Manchester United as a coaching staff considering that he has been contracted as a staff so far, so likely he would still join the team under Amorim's leadership later, the two coaches have different philosophies and styles of play at the moment as you said, but isn't it pretty good if they can collaborate?
Although it might be a big challenge but if the collaboration is successful, it will produce a very dynamic strategy and difficult to predict by the opponent later.

Nistelrooy's performance so far has been quite good and from several videos that I have watched, Nistelrooy is very happy to be able to help Manchester United to continue to develop like when he was still actively playing from the euphoria every time a Manchester United player managed to score a goal.
I also noticed that he really wanted to be made permanent as head coach but Manchester United had already brought in Amorim.

Amorin, I don't know much about him and other people might feel the same way as me. If it's just looking great when handling Sporting, then the challenges in the Premier League are very different.
It could be that Nistelrooy's help could help him get Manchester United back into the title race.

Nistelrooy's words featured in Romano's tweet, could be true during their journey there.
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And commenting the new Chelsea coach, I can say that the man seems very good at his what he does, his job, Chelsea's game play have since improved ever since the new coach assumed his office and position as the boss to the team, though they aren't that consistent yet which is very much expected, I think Chelsea is beginning to prove their worth in the premier league.
Chelsea is still in the process of forming the squad if there is a miscommunication then it is very natural, Chelsea's new coach is currently in accordance with management expectations so the changes in the Chelsea squad are truly the result of their patience, whatever is done at least it will be good and the revival of Chelsea in the Premier League, because Chelsea has been a mediocre team for several seasons after Roman Abramovich left so it is natural that this change is what all Chelsea supporters want.
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Together, Amorim and Van Nistelrooy could form a coaching partnership that brings the best out of the current squad. As for their upcoming Europa League clash with PAOK, this is a match Manchester United should aim to win decisively. A strong performance here would further boost morale and confidence, building momentum that can carry them through the rest of the season.
We don't know exactly if Van Nistelrooy will work together with Amorim or not because there is no certainty news about him. Van Nistelrooy still expects he can work as an assistant to build a team together, but I think Amorim is not so interested because he has his own team who had worked with him at Sporting, and most likely he will use the same team at previous club and cleaning everything on Ten Hag legacy. When I look at how Amorim plays his scheme, both has a difference tactical in terms of improving the squad. Nistelrooy was playing an offensive pattern while Amorim a bit defensive but relied on impressive to counter attack. So that the situation will be contradicted if both work together.

Previously, Nistelrooy has said that his job was only a temporary coach before Amorim took over the team, besides that he also hinted that he would stay at Manchester United as a coaching staff considering that he has been contracted as a staff so far, so likely he would still join the team under Amorim's leadership later, the two coaches have different philosophies and styles of play at the moment as you said, but isn't it pretty good if they can collaborate?
Although it might be a big challenge but if the collaboration is successful, it will produce a very dynamic strategy and difficult to predict by the opponent later.

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