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Quote from: Palakka on September 17, 2024, 12:32:54 PM

Manchester United have managed to get on a positive path after back-to-back defeats in their previous matches, but the win over Southampton is not proof that Manchester United are worthy of favourites this season, I think Ten Hag is the only coach who claims he is the second-best coach in the Premier League so far, although what he claims is not in line with what everyone else thinks at the moment Grin

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I sometimes think that Ten Hag lives in North Africa, he's a person who really doesn't know if he thinks that winning 1 or 2 games erases the amount of failures he's had and it seems that the executive team at United also thinks that way, it's something I don't understand, I see that some teams like Rome that have a budget that is much lower than United itself have already fired DeRossi because he can't stand failures, that means the coach is bad, but at Man United they think they need better players? So these are things that are incomprehensible to me.

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Quote from: Altryist on September 19, 2024, 08:32:16 AM

Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

You are right, Manchester United have no chance with ten Hag, I think it is a big flaw of the management that they take so long to make obvious decisions, and they do this not only with ten Hag, they did the same with previous coaches. The second problem is that they choose coaches who do not have achievements at the highest level, let's look at who was the coach after Mourinho was sacked, it was Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Rangnick and now ten Hag, but it seems to me that for such a team you only need the best, like Ancelotti, Guardiola, Enrique, you understand what I mean, only in this case you can return Manchester United to its former success.

If Manchester United are to improve from next season then their most important step will be to appoint a quality manager to their club. When a good quality manager is appointed to the club, the manager will be able to identify the weaknesses of the team very easily and can assign players to the club accordingly. Manchester United won the last Premier League match and their margin of victory was huge so many may think that Manchester United will perform well from now on. From what I've seen of Manchester United's performances, I'd say they'll never be consistent this season. However, in matches that Manchester United can win or opponents that are easier than Manchester United, Manchester United should earn full points against that team.

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Quote from: Docnaster on September 19, 2024, 06:32:14 PM

Quote from: EL MOHA on September 19, 2024, 06:10:00 PM

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That is really bad record for Manchester United. I did not collect their head to head. Thanks for giving this record. Manchester United have not won against Crystal Palace in their last 4 games. But I believe United will get their win this season. United have lost 2 but Crystal Palace have not won a league game. Based on Manchester United's form this season they should be able to win that game. But there is a possibility that the game will end in a draw. Their form is inconsistent but their 2 losses were against Liverpool and Brighton who have been doing well so far. So there is no reason for United to lose this game.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on September 19, 2024, 08:02:19 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

People were surprised by the big win against Barnsley. They had struggled against mediocre teams for a long time. Their last big win was against Southampton. They scored 9 goals then, and Ole was still coaching them. Then they rarely got that moment again until this time.

It has been a long time since then. They have always struggled against mediocre teams. And they do it now. This achievement is great for building up the United players' mentality.

I am not surprised because the club that Manchester United is playing against is an ordinary club unless Manchester United gets a good result when playing against a Premier League club even though it is a mid-table club with a big score like that I will be surprised and praise Manchester United's ability but once again at this time Manchester United's performance in the Premier League is still doubtful there has been no truly amazing performance under Ten Hag's guidance for the past few seasons.
But if it is to build mentality, hopefully with this they can make it a motivation to be able to continue to fight to achieve better results in the next matches.

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Quote from: Egii Nna on September 19, 2024, 03:57:58 PM

I knew the game between Manchester City and Arsenal will be an amazing game to watch, and still it will be very tough for both teams because Manchester are strong, we all know that, and also Arsenal are trying their best in performance, and they are now just 2 points below Manchester City, which Arsenal has a good defence and is also very strong for any team to find hard to penetrate, but I don’t still know what will happen in the game on Sunday. That is why I will not predict, but I have expectations or a draw game.

I think it is very difficult to win or draw on etihad stadium. As we know, manchester city is powerful when play at home, and I think Arsenal will require a lot of energy to make it draw. they are also limping because a core player Odegaard has got injured and there are no capable player to replace his position. The news about Riccardo Calafiori and Bukayo Saka was come back to strengthen the team doesn't have much effect to the odds. Statistics still favor the city to win even they have also player who can't play next week like Oscar Bobb and Nathan Ake. I think it is very brave if you bet draw for this match.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on September 19, 2024, 06:10:00 PM

Quote from: uchegod-21 on September 19, 2024, 05:23:26 PM

What kind of record is this? This is not fair to Manchester United at all, considering their level compared to crystal palace. Does it mean that Manchester United has not won them in EPL. Is this inclusive in home and away matches?
Well, I remember when Zaha was terrorising Manchester United and other clubs in EPL, but I didn't know it got to this extent.

Well, this shouldn't be used as a yardstick to measure. Manchester United is currently above crystal palace and they are definitely gonna show it to them.

From this record, Manchester United have failed to win at Selhurst Park for over three seasons now and if you ask me, I think there's every possibility that that record will not be broken this weekend. Erik ten Hag's men have been inconsistent with their performances so I won't be surprised if they're beaten by Crystal Palace this weekend.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on September 19, 2024, 05:23:26 PM

What kind of record is this? This is not fair to Manchester United at all, considering their level compared to crystal palace. Does it mean that Manchester United has not won them in EPL. Is this inclusive in home and away matches?
Well, I remember when Zaha was terrorising Manchester United and other clubs in EPL, but I didn't know it got to this extent.

Well, this shouldn't be used as a yardstick to measure. Manchester United is currently above crystal palace and they are definitely gonna show it to them.

Since Ten Hag appointment as Manchester United head coach they have actually won just once against Crystal palace, in as much as this result are actually astonishing considering the status of Manchester United I will say the fixture is actually just some fixtures that top teams do use to have too, example is the difficulty of Manchester city to win against Wolves or Brentford, so many clubs have the low or mid table clubs as their difficult opponents sadly for Manchester United it has been the eagles. In fact base on stats Manchester haven’t won in their last three with Crystal palace at the Selhurst Park and this is the perfect time for Erik Ten Hag to get his revenge on them, a win against Crystal Palace will simply just boost Manchester United moral after they have a great game at the EFL cup they need to grow with win and wins even if it is against smaller clubs.

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Quote from: karabiber on September 19, 2024, 03:58:06 PM

Quote from: Velvet78 on September 19, 2024, 12:52:57 PM

The next game is away against Crystal Palace. The Red Devils don't have a good history at this stadium. They can't win for 4 games and the last one was a huge defeat like 4-0. Sad

I hope they put an end to it by a win this time.

Crystal Palace have dropped points in all four games in the EPL. Manchester United, on the other hand, have not been able to show their offensive prowess on the pitch, but have still managed to pick up superior points against weaker opponents.

Erik ten Hag's decision to leave Garnacho out of the squad could have had a negative impact on the game, but after Manchester United's performance against Barnsley in the EFL Cup, the problem seems to have been solved. In my opinion, despite everything, Manchester United are one step ahead in this match, but I think there will be more mutual goals than side bets in this match between these two unpredictable teams.

What kind of record is this? This is not fair to Manchester United at all, considering their level compared to crystal palace. Does it mean that Manchester United has not won them in EPL. Is this inclusive in home and away matches?
Well, I remember when Zaha was terrorising Manchester United and other clubs in EPL, but I didn't know it got to this extent.

Well, this shouldn't be used as a yardstick to measure. Manchester United is currently above crystal palace and they are definitely gonna show it to them.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 19, 2024, 12:52:57 PM

The next game is away against Crystal Palace. The Red Devils don't have a good history at this stadium. They can't win for 4 games and the last one was a huge defeat like 4-0. Sad

I hope they put an end to it by a win this time.

Crystal Palace have dropped points in all four games in the EPL. Manchester United, on the other hand, have not been able to show their offensive prowess on the pitch, but have still managed to pick up superior points against weaker opponents.

Erik ten Hag's decision to leave Garnacho out of the squad could have had a negative impact on the game, but after Manchester United's performance against Barnsley in the EFL Cup, the problem seems to have been solved. In my opinion, despite everything, Manchester United are one step ahead in this match, but I think there will be more mutual goals than side bets in this match between these two unpredictable teams.

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Quote from: Zackz5000 on September 18, 2024, 10:47:32 PM

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When placing a bet i only see football odd as just a number for odd doesn't mater when it come to football I have seen severally where big odd always wins the smaller odd so odd is just a number to me is not a bad prediction if you give Arsenal to win there weekend game against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium on Sunday though it won't really be easy for Arsenal since they will playing at away.
The Manchester City vs Arsenal match on weekend will be the most interesting and entertaining match to watch it is going to be tough for both team since both sides are in good form this season. My prediction is this game is both team to score and over 2.5 goals.

Knowing well about betting will not be something new; every gambler will always keep in mind that he will either win or lose, so whatever you play is your concern.

I knew the game between Manchester City and Arsenal will be an amazing game to watch, and still it will be very tough for both teams because Manchester are strong, we all know that, and also Arsenal are trying their best in performance, and they are now just 2 points below Manchester City, which Arsenal has a good defence and is also very strong for any team to find hard to penetrate, but I don’t still know what will happen in the game on Sunday. That is why I will not predict, but I have expectations or a draw game.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 19, 2024, 03:31:31 PM

Manchester United is doing fine right now, they also showed how good they are with EFL as well, so surely we are seeing them do fine and we could do fine on the long run as well, it's clear that United is doing something "better", doesn't mean they are great but it looks clear to me that we are seeing them be fine and they should be considering this as improvement compared to last year.

The league hasn't started for too long yet, we still need to look at what's going to happen and with time we can see them finish either high up or not and I think it needs to be considered as something that will take a while. We need to consider that it is going to be fine and we can see this getting a greater result as well. If they finish top four which they can, then it will be fine for sure, it will definitely be worth something for them and maybe even help ETH keep his job as well if they do that, also they are at Europa, maybe they could even with that.

Yes you are right that we are still early and we have not seen the whole league that Manchester United will live in, they still have the opportunity to improve themselves and make many wins in the future, but on the condition that they improve their game, E. Ten Hag must change their style of play and be able to continue to adapt to opponents who have different strategies, of course, stronger than them in order to remain competitive and produce goals, I am very uncertain if they have a stagnant performance will pass this season easily if Ten hag is not creative.

Maybe some people are still very hopeful that Manchester United will return to improve their situation and return to compete in the top 5 of the standings, btw next match with Crystal Palace, with the current situation I am quite sure that man United has not been able to win over Crystal palace.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

This is what everyone is expecting from Manchester United after their big win against Barnsley. They may have played against a mediocre team but they deserved the win because they outshined them in all sides and that lead to their victory today in the match. The old Manchester United of Sor Alex Ferguson time is far from happening now or coming back. All they wish from them is to be in their best form and score as many goals as possible in order to be amongst the top contenders for the league title. This is not the premier league, so all of their best performances here is not what is needed but same should be replicated in the premier league in order for them to be in the top contender for the league title. I expect more from them at this point, I hope they’re able to come out with something great from now.

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Manchester United is doing fine right now, they also showed how good they are with EFL as well, so surely we are seeing them do fine and we could do fine on the long run as well, it's clear that United is doing something "better", doesn't mean they are great but it looks clear to me that we are seeing them be fine and they should be considering this as improvement compared to last year.

The league hasn't started for too long yet, we still need to look at what's going to happen and with time we can see them finish either high up or not and I think it needs to be considered as something that will take a while. We need to consider that it is going to be fine and we can see this getting a greater result as well. If they finish top four which they can, then it will be fine for sure, it will definitely be worth something for them and maybe even help ETH keep his job as well if they do that, also they are at Europa, maybe they could even with that.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 19, 2024, 10:45:50 AM

Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

Indeed. Manchester United have created a bad image for themselves after being unsuccessful for many years. After they started this season badly as well it is normal to see people getting surprised with this 7-0 win. Grin

But it was really needed for them undoubtedly. Because they were struggling to score goals and the defense was still in bad shape.

Until the Southampton match... Everything started to get better with that one and now we witnessed this magnificent effort. I don't doubt Garnacho but I hope Rashford also earns people's trust again with more of this effort.

After losing 3-0 against Liverpool, Manchester United managed to win 3-0 against Southampton, but even though in their last match Manchester United won 7-0 in the Carabao Cup, I think it was a reasonable result, because Barnsley is a team playing in the lower division. But even so, at least Manchester United still has great ambitions to be able to recover even though it is not easy, but at least Manchester United still has a good effort.

In addition, in the next match in the Premier League Manchester United will play away against Crystal Palace and then play at home in the Europa League against Twente. If Manchester United can maintain their good performance as before, then Manchester United should be able to win the next two matches that I mentioned. Because I think Manchester United's problem is just not being able to be consistent with good and strong play, so it is difficult for Manchester United to continue to rise in the Premier League standings.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on September 19, 2024, 08:02:19 AM

People were surprised by the big win against Barnsley. They had struggled against mediocre teams for a long time. Their last big win was against Southampton. They scored 9 goals then, and Ole was still coaching them. Then they rarely got that moment again until this time.

It has been a long time since then. They have always struggled against mediocre teams. And they do it now. This achievement is great for building up the United players' mentality.

I was also surprised with such a huge score though. I'm aware of the big quality gap but still the Red Devils weren't seeming convincing at the beginning of the season.

However they are really on the rise these days. First that comfortable Southampton victory and now even a much bigger one.

I just hope this helps them maintain a winning streak in the Premier League for more weeks.

The next game is away against Crystal Palace. The Red Devils don't have a good history at this stadium. They can't win for 4 games and the last one was a huge defeat like 4-0. Sad

I hope they put an end to it by a win this time.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

I think that even though Barnsley are mediocre team when compared to Manchester United but for Manchester United to have an easy win with that huge margin numbers of goals is really worth a thing of surprise because even when Manchester United meets teams from England's lesser division it's mostly hard and tough before they win and not always with high scores so people should be surprised. If Manchester United was to return to their old good days of Alex Ferguson I think matches like this wouldn't be a thing of surprise because they were literally so strong under Alex Ferguson. The kind of energy they showed in that game was awesome, just look at the team work among the players it's really impressive to watch, wish they could apply same spirit in the premier league.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

I don't know why many people are surprised if Manchester United was able to score many goals versus Barnsley yesterday. Even this match is seems biased where the MU player is a bit prepotent than Barnsley player, but in terms of gameplay MU has shown if they come back to normal as MU like long time ago where ferguson as their coach. almost average player have 7 score and very compact build attacks from all fields. And of course I am very respect with Eriksen on the role he is considered the best player on this match as long Rashford and Garnacho who created 2 goals. I hope with this match give them the more motivation to play more like this and back to top premier league and create the throphy.

Considering the performance of Barnsley, they are small team that should be definitely defeated by Manchester United by all means; but the way the game goes, I praise Manchester United team for pyting up such great performance in the game, it shows that they are ready for any competition including the Premier League because if they play like that in the Premier League, they will definitely do better than the way they have started the season so far.

The problem with Ten Hag and his team is consistency. Ten Hag's mode of selection of his first team is another problem because, but if he can keep up with the team he displayed in the Europa League, I think they will be among the title contenders alongside Liverpool and Arsenal.
Rashford needs consistency and Gernacho is a good goal scorer, if their connection will be stronger, they will definitely score more goals for Manchester United this season.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 19, 2024, 10:45:50 AM

Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

Indeed. Manchester United have created a bad image for themselves after being unsuccessful for many years. After they started this season badly as well it is normal to see people getting surprised with this 7-0 win. Grin

But it was really needed for them undoubtedly. Because they were struggling to score goals and the defense was still in bad shape.

Until the Southampton match... Everything started to get better with that one and now we witnessed this magnificent effort. I don't doubt Garnacho but I hope Rashford also earns people's trust again with more of this effort.

a 7-0 victory over Barnsley will at least lift their current mentality, but I think the victory will not change our current view of Manchester United when their playing in the league, winning matches over weak teams is not surprising considering the quality of the squad that Manchester United has at the moment, but to still be able to compete for the Premier League championship trophy of course consistency is the main key for every team Including Manchester Unite, I
so think Ten Hag still has to prove himself at the moment as a decent coach to handle Manchester United and he must be able to overcome any pressure that comes from the matches they play including when facing big teams in the Premier League, so far Ten Hag claims he is the second best coach after Guardiola and winning the league this season will be prove that his claim in my opinion.

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Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 07:12:17 AM

Yep. A lot of people were surprised to see United scoring more than 2 goals and we cannot blame them. Am an United fan for long years now but I know for sure that this team has no future at all and until they won't change the coach , nothing great will happen with this club. It's so bad that fans are starting to be happy just because our team can finally score more than 3 goals ...but guess what , it was a mediocre team who has no real achievement to make so conceding 7 goals against United is not a big deal. Hopefully Garnacho will remain the same guy , the same players and it will continue to troll Ten Hag as much as he can. Grin

Indeed. Manchester United have created a bad image for themselves after being unsuccessful for many years. After they started this season badly as well it is normal to see people getting surprised with this 7-0 win. Grin

But it was really needed for them undoubtedly. Because they were struggling to score goals and the defense was still in bad shape.

Until the Southampton match... Everything started to get better with that one and now we witnessed this magnificent effort. I don't doubt Garnacho but I hope Rashford also earns people's trust again with more of this effort.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on September 19, 2024, 08:02:19 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on September 18, 2024, 07:04:57 PM

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People were surprised by the big win against Barnsley. They had struggled against mediocre teams for a long time. Their last big win was against Southampton. They scored 9 goals then, and Ole was still coaching them. Then they rarely got that moment again until this time.

It has been a long time since then. They have always struggled against mediocre teams. And they do it now. This achievement is great for building up the United players' mentality.

Yes, they were surprised because they had not seen a performance like this for a long time, This result is Manchester United's biggest win since being coached by Erik Ten Hag. I don't think it's a surprise as Barnsley are not a worthy opponent for Manchester United, but this result can boost the players' confidence to improve their quality in EPL matches. Manchester United need to shift their focus to the EPL to face Crystal Palace at home, they need to do everything planned well to improve their position in the standings, currently they are in 10th place after only being able to get two wins and two losses in four matches.

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