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Quote from: Marykeller on July 25, 2024, 12:19:14 PM

I do have the same belief as you. If Manchester United is not ready to sell off the set of players you mentioned, Manchester United is not going anywhere close to the top-the-table league(Premier League) this upcoming season.
It's not about launching a new away kit is the problem, is to win the PL trophy because that's where everyone's focus is, to see Manchester United lifting the PL trophy. One way they can do that is to reshuffle the team players. Many players have stayed overdue in the team, and their impact on the team is no longer felt. They need to be let go, not to be holding them down because they are England by origin

In all of the names been mentioned, there is nothing that gives me nightmare like that of Maguire and when I think about how Erik Ten Hag manage his players, he alwsys make it looks like he is trying to prove to some people that he is the one for Manchester united because I don't understand why he will used Maguire for 3 seasons straight despite the complaints comings for Maguire weak performance.

I just think there are some stake Erik has in Manchester united that makes him remain the recognize manager of the club else the club would have sent him off, the real Manchester united that I know would have send him off. On the other hand, I'm not sure Rashford is too weak to be in that team, sometimes I wish he just get signed by another good team where they can allow him have his time because he is good only Erik see bad side of him after their fights.

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Quote from: len01 on July 25, 2024, 12:11:55 PM

Shocked after seeing this picture and I wonder why Arsenal and Arteta let Emile Smith Rowe leave the team. But after understanding and finding out all these reasons, I became more positive thinking.

There are several reasons, but what is certain is that Arsenal is in the stage of building a team to be better and on the one hand, Arsenal also needs income to cover previous losses. Meanwhile, Emile Smith Rowe has had a career with Arsenal for several seasons and has not made a big contribution and his performance has even declined. So there is no other choice. Arsenal have to sell Emile Smith Rowe for €41 million and it looks like Fulham wants to get this player.

It's a pity that Smith Rowe is a verge of signing for Fulham, unfortunately after he was already building his reputation and consolidating his attacking ability in Arsenal attacking midfield, sadly injury had cut short a once promising youngster, ever since his recovery from that injury he had never regain his form again, I believe that is that why Arteta is trying to offload him to Fulham as well as other unused or surplus players like Elneny who had already moved to the Turkish league and few other players are also leaving, Arteta had already built his team around Odegaard who is also the club captain and played at same position with Smith Rowe.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on July 25, 2024, 02:58:59 PM

i think Pep Guardiola is just trying to test the strength of the junior players in their friendly matches so it's no big deal due to the fact that pre season matches don't matter much since it is just like a kind of warming up for the new season so the teams performance and results should not be judged based on friendly games.

Most coaches don’t make use of their main squad during pre-season matches, they just make use of the players that they have on bench just the way pep did, just to see their performance, so pre-season matches don’t mean anything, and they can’t be used to conclude on how a club will be performing when the season starts. You don’t expect Manchester City to make use of the players that they used in their last match when the season starts, so nobody should conclude on any club’s performance just because of the friendly match, till the season starts, before we will know each club’s performance.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 25, 2024, 08:47:25 AM

Although this season Man United got 1 FA Cup. But in the current game conditions, Arsenal is better than Man United. But indeed, in the end, the cup is indeed the main goal of the team.

I know winning trophies is very important for the big teams, but competing for the big trophies every season is also important, and that is what Arteta has done with Arsenal for the past two seasons. It is not enough to win the Carabao cup/Fa Cup and be nowhere close to winning the EPL, the big teams should always compete for the EPL title every season. Arteta has also won a trophy with Arsenal, the Fa Cup in the 2019-2020 season.

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Quote from: mammusu on July 25, 2024, 01:36:40 AM

The claim made by Ten Hag is based on the only two minor trophies that have been won by Ten Hag, whereas so far Pep Guardiola has never boasted about himself by saying he is the best in the English league even though he has won it all with Manchester City, Ten Hag seems to be right now is looking for consolation for all the pressure he got after ending the season in 8th place, when he said he was the second best in the English league, not only other people might laugh at his words and maybe he will even laugh at his own words now🤣, With these words, Ten Hag is actually showing his character as a coach who has an ego and also likes to brag about himself ,ten Hag arrogance has not only happened once and has even happened several times before and I hope that next season his ability to build Manchester United will be better than his ability he spoke.

Jose Mourinho won three trophies in his first season at Manchester United. Imagine if that was Erik Ten Hag, we would not hear the last of it lol. Winning two trophies in your first two seasons is great but I think the league performance matters most and Manchester United finished very poorly last season. Manchester United are mid-table premier league team now. They are far from what they used to be. Let’s see if ETH can bring back the United glory days.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 25, 2024, 08:47:25 AM

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So for me, I will certainly place arteta over ETH. if there are any magic ETH wants to perform, let him do it this coming season.

Coaches can always make confident sentences. Ten Hag seems to want to make an opinion to Man United supporters, he is the right choice for Man United. Of course, with the achievement statistics I get, I think Arteta is a little better at the moment. Although this season Man United got 1 FA Cup. But in the current game conditions, Arsenal is better than Man United. But indeed, in the end, the cup is indeed the main goal of the team.

Eric Ten Hag would not have hailed himself and said he’s better than all other coaches in the premier league exception of Pep Guardiola if he didn’t win that FA Cup. All his time at the club, he has won two trophies which no any other team have more than him asides from Manchester City. He should be boastful of his achievements, that’s not a problem but he should also replicate more energy in the coming season so that he doesn’t turn to a laughing stock after all the praises he has showered on himself.

Other coaches may feel tense by that statement but it’s a wake up call for them to also improve in their gameplay this new season. They have all done well to still be in the premier league and also qualify for top tournaments in Europe. They wouldn’t have got there without those performance, so they should be encouraged to do more instead of taking offence from that statement, especially other clubs supporters because they’re the ones that will take it more personal than the people it was directed at.

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The Manchester City coach is a person who is quite observant in seeing the condition of the team he coaches so that he will not even be so worried about the defeat because it can also be used as a lesson to make more meaningful improvements for the team before the new season starts. However, friendly matches must also be considered important by each team because from these matches each coach can see which lines still have weaknesses so that they can all act immediately to improve the things that are still weak now.

Before drawing conclusions about this match, look at the lineups that these teams played. In this match, Guardiola wanted to see what the young players were capable of, so I am not surprised by this result. This is what friendly matches are for, when you can evaluate a player in a real match, and not in training. On the other hand, even with this squad they were able to show a very close game, so despite the defeat, I think that Guardiola can assess this result as satisfactory, except that there are complaints about the defensive players.

i think Pep Guardiola is just trying to test the strength of the junior players in their friendly matches so it's no big deal due to the fact that pre season matches don't matter much since it is just like a kind of warming up for the new season so the teams performance and results should not be judged based on friendly games. Pep Guardiola is a very tactical coach so I believe before the pre season matches will end he must have identified a spectacular player from the junior team that he will want to use for the senior team since he hasn't made any new signings for the club. Basically, Manchester City defense is not that strong so Guardiola needs to do some works in the defense line so that they don't make too many mistakes that will lead to conceding a lot of goals just like they conceded a lot of goals in their friendly game against Celtic.

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Quote from: RockBell on July 25, 2024, 02:23:27 PM

Arteta did a great job actually because no one would have been in the best position to manage arsenal the way arteta have been doing, managing a club is actually not as easy as people think despite all the criticism they get from fans and people they still do their best. Arsenals improvement for two seasons now have been a motivation to them and that is one of the reasons I think we should be able to win the premier league. Ten is not better than arteta, winning the FA is not an a serious achievement to me. As far they did not do well well in the premier league.

I like the way you picture things. Performance is not just all about winning sometimes like people always want it to be. While winning trophies is the major achievement that any manager can count, it is not just the only parameter to measure coaches. Being able to boost the performance of a club like Arsenal from low to high is what you need sometimes to set a team up for greater achievements in the near future. What Arteta has done is highly commendable because he's able to revive the strength and consistency of the club which they lost at a point also managing the criticism and energy of the club was another aspect he did well. Right now, Arteta is one of the few coaches I respect in the Premier league.

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Quote from: arimamib on July 25, 2024, 01:09:29 PM

You are right, every step taken by Erik Ten Hag is certainly good in the development he has made in the last two seasons. We know that sometimes fans only judge him in terms of what he knows, but they haven't measured him since the beginning of Erik's career as Manchester United coach.
In my opinion, many things happened last season and that will be an evaluation for management to improve it in the transfer market.
Failure to close the season in the top 4 is indeed a decline in Erik Ten Hag's performance, but we need time to see the progress planned in the long term.
The greater the challenge, the greater the expectations desired by fans and management. For this reason, Erik Ten Hag must make changes to the transfer market as best as possible to recruit quality players.

I agree with you that it definitely takes time to strengthen the team in terms of bigger plans. But after occupying the third place in the table in 2022-23 season, going to eighth place in the table in 2023-24 season is not a good result for me. I bet on Manchester United many times last season and Manchester United disappointed me. I have to say we didn't see a better performance than Manchester United last season.

Ten Hag is a very one-sided coach. And I think this is Ten Hag's biggest weakness. I can also mention some other downsides of Ten Hag. For example, Ten Hag is not on good terms with many of the squad's players. If the relationship between the coach and the players is not good then I don't see any need to keep him in the team just to pay wages.

Ten Hag have also added two young players to their squad at high prices in the last two seasons. Neither Hojlund nor Antony have proved their mettle yet. I think Yamal and Osimhen are much better players than Antony and Hojlund. I think Manchester United's two signings were a mistake. Manchester United will not benefit much from these two players.

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Quote from: lizarder on July 25, 2024, 12:18:04 PM

Arteta managed to build Arsenal for two seasons to be stronger and he was also able to utilize all the potential in his players. Erik Ten Hak is not much better than him because we can see how Man United had difficulty keeping up with any team last season. So in terms of winning chances I think Arteta is much better even though Erik Ten Hak was lucky enough to be able to present the FA title last season for Man United.

But the success of the club is not seen from how far the team plays well and can always give their best. Because the benchmark for the club's success will be seen from how far the coach is able to present trophies every season. Arteta must try to prove that and next season they must be able to chase the Premier League trophy because previously they always failed even though they played more consistently.

I agree with you. People won't remember you were in second place. Everyone will only remember the champions and history will also only record the champions. Arteta is a great coach who has succeeded in making Arsenal a very solid team. They even really deserve to be champions. I think everyone agrees that they are better than Manchester United. But as you said, what a club needs is not the claim that they have a solid squad, but the number of trophies they have won. Even though Manchester United played worse than Arsenal, fortunately they managed to win the FA Cup.

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Quote from: lizarder on July 25, 2024, 12:18:04 PM

Arteta managed to build Arsenal for two seasons to be stronger and he was also able to utilize all the potential in his players. Erik Ten Hak is not much better than him because we can see how Man United had difficulty keeping up with any team last season. So in terms of winning chances I think Arteta is much better even though Erik Ten Hak was lucky enough to be able to present the FA title last season for Man United.

Arteta did a great job actually because no one would have been in the best position to manage arsenal the way arteta have been doing, managing a club is actually not as easy as people think despite all the criticism they get from fans and people they still do their best. Arsenals improvement for two seasons now have been a motivation to them and that is one of the reasons I think we should be able to win the premier league. Ten is not better than arteta, winning the FA is not an a serious achievement to me. As far they did not do well well in the premier league.

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But the success of the club is not seen from how far the team plays well and can always give their best. Because the benchmark for the club's success will be seen from how far the coach is able to present trophies every season. Arteta must try to prove that and next season they must be able to chase the Premier League trophy because previously they always failed even though they played more consistently.

Staying at the second position to arsenal is a lot because I could remember how arsenal have been struggling when ever they play the only thing now is that arsenal needs to spend more money to get players to be able to balance everything with the kind of performance we are putting up, if arteta did not win the premier league next season then we don’t have hope again to be able to win the premier league title we need that title to be able to prove our self.

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Quote from: lizarder on July 25, 2024, 12:18:04 PM

Quote from: Luzin on July 25, 2024, 08:47:25 AM

Coaches can always make confident sentences. Ten Hag seems to want to make an opinion to Man United supporters, he is the right choice for Man United. Of course, with the achievement statistics I get, I think Arteta is a little better at the moment. Although this season Man United got 1 FA Cup. But in the current game conditions, Arsenal is better than Man United. But indeed, in the end, the cup is indeed the main goal of the team.

Arteta managed to build Arsenal for two seasons to be stronger and he was also able to utilize all the potential in his players. Erik Ten Hak is not much better than him because we can see how Man United had difficulty keeping up with any team last season. So in terms of winning chances I think Arteta is much better even though Erik Ten Hak was lucky enough to be able to present the FA title last season for Man United.

But the success of the club is not seen from how far the team plays well and can always give their best. Because the benchmark for the club's success will be seen from how far the coach is able to present trophies every season. Arteta must try to prove that and next season they must be able to chase the Premier League trophy because previously they always failed even though they played more consistently.

Arsenal has better squad depth than Manchester United, so don't just blame the coach.
Squad depth can determine how well and how poorly a team performs in a season, the coach is just an additional factor that determines game strategy. If the players in the squad are really good and of high quality, then it will be easy for the coach to develop the right game strategy. However, the problem will increase when the depth of the squad is not good so that whatever strategy is implemented will feel like it is of little use.

I am sure that if Manchester United has good squad depth in all positions, then Ten Hag will make his team perform well. That's what I clearly see from Manchester United's squad shortcomings, meaning they don't have squad depth that is truly capable of competing well with the big teams.

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Quote from: len01 on July 25, 2024, 12:11:55 PM

Shocked after seeing this picture and I wonder why Arsenal and Arteta let Emile Smith Rowe leave the team. But after understanding and finding out all these reasons, I became more positive thinking.

There are several reasons, but what is certain is that Arsenal is in the stage of building a team to be better and on the one hand, Arsenal also needs income to cover previous losses. Meanwhile, Emile Smith Rowe has had a career with Arsenal for several seasons and has not made a big contribution and his performance has even declined. So there is no other choice. Arsenal have to sell Emile Smith Rowe for €41 million and it looks like Fulham wants to get this player.

But on a serious note, I’m not sure where it went south with Smith Rowe. Even after he made a full recovery last season, he still didn’t feature in the team. There has to be a reason for that.

From what I can say about his time at Arsenal, I think he was misprofiled. Smith Rowe isn’t a central midfielder for me. He is more effective coming from the left and combining. He has never been able to influence games starting from the middle.
I don’t know what to make of his departure but the sale of Emile Smith Rowe feels bittersweet because he, Saka and Martinelli were the boys that helped the club during their trenches days.
He didn’t feature in today’s preseason game against Bournemouth, meaning that his move to Fulham is imminent.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 25, 2024, 06:44:49 AM

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Indeed, since the beginning of Ten Hag's arrival as Manchester United coach, he has been too self-confident and very, very excessive. After 2 seasons, we see that there has been no progress in this team, which has increased sharply since it was built by Ten Hag. In fact, there has been no progress when compared to Arsenal, which was built by Arteta.
What Ten Hag said was without basic evidence, he only said it to increase his self-confidence, actually there was nothing wrong with that, but many people didn't like his attitude like that.

I think next season will be the last season for Ten Hag if he doesn't succeed in lifting Manchester United's performance, next season will be the last chance for him.
I don't know what will happen, but I'm a little pessimistic about it.

What combination of garbage is this please? You don't want him to be confident or what are you saying? Are you such a weak man in reality?
What is your definition of progress? Take a look back two seasons before Erik Ten Hag came and two seasons after he came in as manager, are the changes not obviously seen? What pure nonsense are you saying? You're not a football fan, has no good knowledge of football, just here to paraphrase and complete post count. Manchester United nor Erik Ten Hag is in a direct competition with Arsenal.

What you have written is purely shit without knowledge, I hate it when you all slander the manager this way. Why not watch football with bias? He has always been a manager with confidence, it's okay for people not to like your attitude, you'll never grow as a man until you begin to accept things that way. He cannot please the bloody crowd.

You don't know nothing about Manchester United to make such predictions. Your views are for you all along. Without clearing names like Harry Maguire, Scott MC Tominay, Victor Lindelof, Aaron Wan Bisakka, Antony, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Casemiro sitting on the bench, Manchester United are obviously going nowhere.

Erik Ten Hag knows this and same goes with the board and management.

You are right, every step taken by Erik Ten Hag is certainly good in the development he has made in the last two seasons. We know that sometimes fans only judge him in terms of what he knows, but they haven't measured him since the beginning of Erik's career as Manchester United coach.
In my opinion, many things happened last season and that will be an evaluation for management to improve it in the transfer market.
Failure to close the season in the top 4 is indeed a decline in Erik Ten Hag's performance, but we need time to see the progress planned in the long term.
The greater the challenge, the greater the expectations desired by fans and management. For this reason, Erik Ten Hag must make changes to the transfer market as best as possible to recruit quality players.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on July 25, 2024, 07:23:47 AM

Likewise I see people trying to defend the song. Then again Enzo is not the first player to have made some kind of racial slur. Luis Suárez, John Terry have had some racial issues in the past and they survived it with their career intact. Enzo Fernandez has made a public apology and I think with the right PR, his career may be able to survive this.

Racism will not disappear this often happens in modern football so with an apology alone is actually enough as long as it is not repeated again, but honestly with popular players throwing racism is actually unethical, it's just that players do things that are sponton or on purpose but this case is still being investigated because the French federation is taking legal action.
As long as this kind of thing does not make Chelsea's game decline because of one of the players, Enzo Fernandez.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 25, 2024, 06:44:49 AM

Without clearing names like Harry Maguire, Scott MC Tominay, Victor Lindelof, Aaron Wan Bisakka, Antony, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Casemiro sitting on the bench, Manchester United are obviously going nowhere.

Erik Ten Hag knows this and same goes with the board and management.

I do have the same belief as you. If Manchester United is not ready to sell off the set of players you mentioned, Manchester United is not going anywhere close to the top-the-table league(Premier League) this upcoming season.
It's not about launching a new away kit is the problem, is to win the PL trophy because that's where everyone's focus is, to see Manchester United lifting the PL trophy. One way they can do that is to reshuffle the team players. Many players have stayed overdue in the team, and their impact on the team is no longer felt. They need to be let go, not to be holding them down because they are England by origin

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Quote from: Luzin on July 25, 2024, 08:47:25 AM

Coaches can always make confident sentences. Ten Hag seems to want to make an opinion to Man United supporters, he is the right choice for Man United. Of course, with the achievement statistics I get, I think Arteta is a little better at the moment. Although this season Man United got 1 FA Cup. But in the current game conditions, Arsenal is better than Man United. But indeed, in the end, the cup is indeed the main goal of the team.

Arteta managed to build Arsenal for two seasons to be stronger and he was also able to utilize all the potential in his players. Erik Ten Hak is not much better than him because we can see how Man United had difficulty keeping up with any team last season. So in terms of winning chances I think Arteta is much better even though Erik Ten Hak was lucky enough to be able to present the FA title last season for Man United.

But the success of the club is not seen from how far the team plays well and can always give their best. Because the benchmark for the club's success will be seen from how far the coach is able to present trophies every season. Arteta must try to prove that and next season they must be able to chase the Premier League trophy because previously they always failed even though they played more consistently.

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Shocked after seeing this picture and I wonder why Arsenal and Arteta let Emile Smith Rowe leave the team. But after understanding and finding out all these reasons, I became more positive thinking.

There are several reasons, but what is certain is that Arsenal is in the stage of building a team to be better and on the one hand, Arsenal also needs income to cover previous losses. Meanwhile, Emile Smith Rowe has had a career with Arsenal for several seasons and has not made a big contribution and his performance has even declined. So there is no other choice. Arsenal have to sell Emile Smith Rowe for €41 million and it looks like Fulham wants to get this player.

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Enzo Fernandez after winning the Copa America with his national team Argentina posted a video on his social media account which appeared to be racist chants that targeted France national team players, the video drew criticisms from many especially from France internationals and some even had to unfollow him on social media. However, he has publicly apologized since fbe incident happened and today, Chelsea manager Enzo Maresca as well as the captain Reece James in their interview has disclosed that Enzo Fernandez will be accepted back to the team when he rejoins with the squad after his summer holiday. It's a good news for Chelsea fans if you ask me but Fernandez who have been forgiven by all must be careful of his actions going forward so that people don't see him as a racist

A lot of things do not surprise me anyone. I still remember people who defended the former president of the Spanish football federation after he had the controversy over kissing one of the players in the Spanish national team after they won the Women's World Cup.

Likewise I see people trying to defend the song. Then again Enzo is not the first player to have made some kind of racial slur. Luis Suárez, John Terry have had some racial issues in the past and they survived it with their career intact. Enzo Fernandez has made a public apology and I think with the right PR, his career may be able to survive this.

Honestly we don't even know the dynamics of these things and the impact on the people being abused.
You can't analyze polarizing issues like this from the outside looking in and provide a one size fits all "solution" of workplace normalcy.
Enzo has apologized which is the first part of the process and I think Chelsea themselves have conducted an internal investigation. If he was found guilty in anyway, he would and should be punished according to their laid down rules at the club.

An apology cannot buy dressing room harmony. Because how are you expecting the players to go and have dressing room love and harmony with a fellow teammate making fun of their heritage?
It’s always funny when racist people get carried away and exhibit their racism in public and then apologize & try to make us believe that “the words and actions do not reflect their personal beliefs or character.

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Quote from: rendravolt on July 25, 2024, 07:03:13 AM

My eyes can't see this wrong, right? It's not a matter of a draw in normal time but everything has to be decided by a penalty shootout in the pre-season match between Arsenal and Bournemouth and this really invites laughter. Cheesy

It is not surprising that pre-season matches will always be boring and there will be no excitement even though the favorite team is the favorite and like other top EPL teams, Arsenal also find it quite difficult to win. Bournemouth, who will still participate in the EPL next season, is taking this opportunity to find out how to stop Arsenal when they face each other in an official match later. Well, in the end Arsenal won very narrowly on penalties and at least they had to immediately improve their game.

This game was a probably warming up in anticipation to what should be expected in the nearest future when he league eventually begins. Bournemouth actually did performed so well because I didn't expect that would be this firm against Arsenal, I was expecting even if it was a pre season game, Arsenal would express some kind of superiority that will be such that others are possibly going to probably learn from seeing that Arsenal will be looking very ready for the new season but then with Bournemouth they even made me want to have some good anticipation with their performance in the season, I'm very much aware that things can actually turn out very different from what happened at pre season but i expected better from Arsenal.

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