Topic: Presidential debates - page 3. (Read 2330 times)

Darn! The Republicans are so stupid. They should not be packing the court so that the Democrats can pack the court. Wait, that makes no sense. Well, but it's Democrats so things that make no sense are the norm. No reason to worry!

Okay, so we go down the rabbit hole of Pelosi running the vote count from the state reps, and that numerical count Republicans win and they pick Ted Cruz.

See? Yes, things could actually get worse than the Trumpery.

Nothing says having respect for the constitution quite like packing the courts so justices can legislate from the bench, effectively getting rid of separations of power.

Ah, but the pesky constitution always getting in the way of well-intended dictatorships. Trump can't stay past noon January 20.

But lawyers are involved.

That couple of months could drag into how many years?

What about that IRS case, they've been working at it for nine years.

Okay you win. Maybe he's POTUS for nine-more while they argue the case, the appeal, the next level appeal, and the supreme court.

And finally wins the case, then gets to serve his four years.

Hello, 2033...

I didn't attack Biden.

I'm agreeing.

Give the fucking senile idiot Biden the teleprompter and the virtual debate.

Hey, remember that time Trump said 711 instead of 911?

Or Thigh Land?

Or when he tweeted his wifes name spelled incorrectly, or congratulated the wrong state for winning the super bowl?

For someone that defends Trump at all costs - you should probably pick something to attack Biden for other than mixing up a word here and there.

Relax, it will be over in 3 weeks plus a few days to count all illegal fraudulent fake ballots plus maybe a few weeks for the Supreme Court to rule on some conspiracy theories plus maybe a few months for Trump to concede but by that time no one will really care.

Okay, I'm reversing my position on hearing that Biden has been talking about his run for the Senate. This is fucking ridiculously embarrassing. Give him to teleprompter and the virtual debate and tell him to shut up and read the prompter.

How much longer is this going on?

It's a mess, that's for sure.

The real loser though is the Debate Commission. The creation of unacceptable formats which one contender refused to work with is their doing.

This might have made some sense before the first debate. After that fiasco it's not quite clear if Trump could win a debate against an empty box of Cheerios and he seemed very happy to have found an excuse to back out of the second debate, which was supposed to be a town hall - a format that he failed miserably at a few weeks prior.

Well, there's a totally equally valid set of arguments from the Trump camp, and together this "Is what it is." It doesn't help to blame one or the other.

My opinion is that Biden had far more to gain from engineering no more debates. Given his state of mental bliss, he really needed a teleprompter or an ear prompt.

But if you want to think that Trump did a stupid thing, okay, then, that's what we've got.

The interpretation of the events as "Trump did yet another stupid thing and that proves Tump does stupid things and that's why we can't have Trump as president because he'll do stupid things and now he's going down the tubes" doesn't really matter.

They would never agree about the rules, moderator, etc. The commission was working fine for decades until Trump decided to torpedo himself with his antics in the first debate and the COVID-19 denialism. Insisting on in-person debate during a pandemic is ludicrous, he sounds like one of those old-school "business people" demanding a fax because they can't figure out e-mail. And the teleprompter nonsense is nonsense. Put a few more cameras around them if you need to, where are they going to hide the teleprompter? If you're going down that far the conspiracy rabbit hole then you can't probably trust that they're not using some magic teleprompter even when they're on the same stage.

This problem is framed deceptively. Let me explain.

It's totally possible to have a virtual debate with observers from the opposite team in the room with each debater. These could easily validate that no notes were being passed or teleprompters used. If Trump refused the 2nd debate it only proves that the Biden side would not stand these safeguards.

I think it was Gingrich who suggested they could both go to a local TV station as venues.

My personal opinion, the two can debate each other anytime, any way they want to. The "Debate Comm" can be tossed in the trash heap, if it becomes counter productive. Which now does seem to be the case.

SIDE NOTE: With the advances in AI and image processing, soon if not already, it gonna be pretty hard to trust them videos...

Yeah, that's the line the Trump campaign is taking "They cancelled it, not us!"  Trump said he wouldn't do it though, he's the one that backed out.  I'm sure it's no coincidence that he suffered politically after the last debate and things have only gotten worse for him since then.  I suspect the measures they were going to put in place to prevent the second debate devolving into a train wreck like the first would've resulted in much of the same things he's complaining about it being a virtual debate.  He simply doesn't have the self control to restrain himself enough to have a civil debate without guard rails in place for him like a child.

Trump's campaign never formally notified the commission on Presidential debates he was not going to participate. It was unilaterally cancelled.

I don't think Trump should debate Biden virtually. As I mentioned before, Biden would have the opportunity to use a teleprompter, and Trump needs to show America how inept Biden is. There are a lot of lessons that Trump should have learned from the last debate, that Trump could take advantage of in order to make Biden's poll numbers tank upon debating him. Biden using a teleprompter will make Biden look more competitant than he is.

What's wrong with delaying the debate a couple days, or making the requirement of having both candidates tested by the Cleveland Clinic prior to stepping on stage with each other? What about holding the debate outdoors or the candidates standing 12 feet apart from each other with glass separation like the VP debate? Virtual debates are so stupid. There are so many ways you could make things safe.

I also think Trump is a moron for skipping the virtual debate but oh well.

I'd call it "rats in a sinking boat" but that would be some stupid-ass rats. Captain Trump choppered out a long time ago but not before thoroughly sabotaging it. Not sure what they're doing here still defending his nonsense.

Trump has been cleared by his doctor that he is no longer contagious. The CDC has recommonded that people isolate themselves for 10 days following the onset of symptoms, assuming by the end of the 10 days, they have been fever free for 24 hours without the use of fervor reducing medicine, and other symptoms have improved. Trump first had symptoms on October 1 (his test results came back later that night, or early Oct 2 in some parts of the Country). The second debate had been scheduled fro October 15, which is 4 days after Trump would be able to no longer have to isolate according to CDC guidelines.

You really believe this stuff you're typing?

The debate was virtual because Trump tested positive for covid.  The debate was cancelled because Trump didn't think he'd get a political win out of it - so he refused to participate.

The fact that Trump and his family/team have a history of simply ignoring local laws and guidelines to prevent the spread of the virus doesn't help either.

So yeah, it was to help Biden, and literally every other person that would've had to come into contact with team "don't worry about it".

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The 2nd presidential debate has been canceled by the "Commission on Presidential Debates" who has hosted Presidential debates over the last generation.

IMO moving the debate to being "virtual" was intended to help Biden who would be able to use a teleprompter, and the moderator would be able to interrupt Trump when he is saying something they don't like. It was also intended to serve as propaganda to further the narrative that covid is so dangerous that someone infected cannot be in the same room, no matter how large as others who have not been infected yet.

Traditionally, the rules of the debate, including the timing and location have been agreed to by both candidates ahead of time, including the 2nd debate prior to the debate commission unilaterally changing the venue/rules.

There is no rule that says the "Commission on Presidential Debates" needs to host the debate, or even that there needs to be a moderator. The WSJ published an article arguing that Trump and Biden should debate without a moderator, and that each candidate can choose the questions that are asked to the other, and can talk about whatever they want when they are answering the questions. This would ensure both candidates would be asked tough questions