Topic: Presidential debates - page 7. (Read 2330 times)

here come the murdered baby comments!

Trump - being a genius that he is - managed to complicate that as well by infecting 3 GOP senators... and no, I'm not saying he personally licked them and gave them the virus but the idiotic lack of social distancing, masks, etc at White House events and other Trump-related gatherings seems to be where it spread. Now some other dumbass (Tom Cotton?) is saying that they should just bring the sick senators to vote if needed. So what if some fossils catch it and die... you get your judge, that's all that matters.

Post debate poll - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7221894-200781-NBCWSJ-October-Post-Debate-Poll-1b.html

800 Registered voters, Biden 53, Trump 39; (+14 Biden).

This is before Trump's COVID-19 diagnosis too, Trump is getting clobbered... Looking back on the debate, I don't even think on policy Trump lost at all. If he wasn't a dumb ass and stopped interrupting, I think he could have won. Biden doesn't need much help to slur his words so it was such a bizarre and useless strategy to keep interrupting that bit him in the ass. Trump went so aggressive, which Biden pretty much took the bait on and also went a bit unhinged, which made nobody change their mind that night, causing Trump to suffer a net loss. MAYBE, the silver lining is that the poll is registered voters and not likely voters but I'm not optimistic. If he loses, oh well. 3 SCOTUS picks would be great if Amy Barrett can get confirmed.

Well this more of the case regarding if they died after the election but before the electoral college went and voted.

I'm talking about if one of the candidates were to die in the next few days or a week or so -- a lot of people have already voted by mail, and those votes would already be allocated. Not sure how state rules relate to wanting to change your vote once it's been sent in to the board of elections.



The tough part is ya know -- not letting the other person get to 270 if one person is dead. Hard to get to that point, lol.

IMO if either Trump or Biden drops out of the race, their party will likely try to prevent the other side from being able get 270 electorial college votes so that Congress will get to decide who becomes President for the next term.

If Congress decides the next election, each state will get to cast one vote, based on their delegation at the next congress.  Currently Republicans have at least 26 votes, and it is unclear how many Democrats would have.

I would expect Democrats to try to hold up state elections in court through when the electrical college must meet according to the constitution. They will also likely try to hold up congressional elections in states of which would vote Republican based on their delegation.

If Congress cannot decide who will become the next President, it will be as if both the President and Vice President died, and whoever is in line after the VP to become President will become President. According to statute, this would be Speak of the House, Nancy Pelosi, then Senator Chuck Grassley, then Secretary of State Mike Pompeo (it doesn't matter after this point). The Constitution says that no person can be both President and a member of the legleslative branch (a congressmen or Senator) at the same time, so in order for Pelosi or Grassley to be eligible to be president, they would need to resign from Congress/Senate, however if they resign from the legleslature, they would no longer hold the position that makes them to be in line to be President per statute. This means Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has a decent chance of being President early next year.

pretty sure that the rules are that if trump is incapacitated or croaks before the election is settled any existing vote for him goes to whoever republican candidate is then picked by the republican party. so pense i assume, and a new vp is chosen by the republican party. so previously cast votes get counted for the same party no matter who drops out. its up to the party itself to pick a replacement.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Well said, the debate is changing no ones mind on choice in election. The latest Trump illness will play sympathy from few more but the other party is trying not to play politics with it. News and TV media have been restless with the illness and I dont think play any disaster in the poll if the health condition of the president deteriorate.

Yeah I think filing deadlines for a good amount of states have passed at this point. Not fully sure if someone could replace Trump (or Biden) on the ticket at this point. That's not even thinking about the fact that TONS of people have already voted by mail, and those votes can not be changed even if the candidate has died or has become incapacitated in some way up to this point.

I suppose Congress could delay the election, but we're too deadlocked to even let that happen. You'd need both sides of congress to agree on that, and the GOP controls the Senate while the DNC controls the House.

In summary: If one of them dies, the other will most likely win and that'll be the end of the election.

Even though some folks want to consider the US system like it were able to employ willy-nilly nepotism, I question the extent to which candidates can be changed either at the last moment or even changed at all after voting has already started.

Furthermore, there are state by state differentiations in terms of merely getting on the ballot or whether candidates can be written in, etc etc..

So, just seems like a legal quagmire to play various kinds of games of attempting to hand-off power, even in extreme circumstances, and even though these day, it remains difficult to rule out anything when it comes to what certain parties might attempt to pull off.

It's like desperate times call for desperate measures - and gosh, if some weird-ass shit has been allowed to happen earlier in this administration in terms of nepotism like practices, why not continue with additional weird-ass measures that are not necessarily based within actual legal requirements?

Honestly it's not a bad idea as a hail mary strategy. Trump already had only a small chance of pulling this off, he didn't do well enough in the debate, and now he won't be able to campaign effectively. We've all gotten trained from our experience with 2016 to think that Trump is somehow going to pull this off, but it's looking almost impossible now, so something utterly crazy like that might be in order. A lot of people are holding their noses to vote for Biden just because they despise Trump. Biden is such a terrible candidate that even a boring Republican like Romney or Pence would in ordinary times wipe the floor with him. If they switch to Ivanka, some of Trump's die-hard base will stick with her, and some people who are only reluctantly voting for Biden would switch or at least not vote.

Possibly.


Federal crimes and state crimes.  Presidents have pardon power over federal crimes, and surely there would be some turmoil over any of these kinds of potential corruption matters... Yet when there are so many messes that are made, sometimes, even politicians of the opposing party, prefer to merely bring closure to some of the matters rather than revealing how extensively the people have been fleeced by a variety of greed/power based shenanigans.

   covid-19 has give  trump a. Exit strategy.  He now has the option to resign with health as the reason. For the good of the country I am not well enough so I appoint my daughter as the vp.  Pence Trump  still the ticket.

And pence pardons trump for any and all crimes committed in office.

Just o e of many moves trump now has due to covid-19

Funny thing about twitter remains whether senile ones could construct their own tweets.

Both of those fucks cheat in that regard, so there may need to be rules to govern the verification of their typing.... maybe we need a blockchain for that?  BSV.. they have plenty of extra space for nonsense.. and surely can be trusted.

Didn't someone mention earlier that those POTUS candidate diptwats were tweeting during the actual debates... Yeah, right?  That would be some other dork sending such like-minded dork tweet nonsense.  A form of desperation to not even be able to wait until the damned debate is over to at least allow for an actual appearance that the actual dweeb is typing the actual dumb thought dweeb tweets.

Only if both candidates agree. Trump would have to submit his vote by postal ballot.

Maybe they can do it via Twitter.

It has to be said that if the debates are going to be remote due to Trump's Covid... it is a lot easier for the presenter to press the mute button on a screen than on the man himself. It's not just a flippant comment - this seems like it is a small thing, but it can profoundly influence the dynamic. I know they were floating the idea of muting before the Covid announcement, but if he's muted and still physically on the stage, he can still have an impact, whereas penned in by the walls of a screen, there's not much he can do.

Getting COVID-19 to own the libs.

Gonna be Christmas day for BADecker and crew if Trump ends up being asymptomatic and looking healthy on the other side of this quarantine. 

There is no reason for him to drop out, not yet anyway. If this was a civilized country both Biden and Trump should suspend their campaigns for the duration of the quarantine but that's not going to happen.

I'm not saying that he will or wont, because I don't know.  That's my point.  There's time for Trump to turn the positive test into political gain by Nov 4th, it's also possible he dies the night before.