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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

You'd have to have a crystal ball to know that.

Who knows, he could get covid or something.

Not nice.

It takes about two weeks to get over a mild case of coronavirus, and up to 6 weeks for a severe case. Trump likely did not get the virus today, so that 2 week window has already started. The next presidential debate is in 13 days.

I would also note that Biden was in the same room as Trump for 90 minutes just two days ago, so it is very possible that he also has it, or that he got it at the debate.

Quote from: Gyfts on October 01, 2020, 11:58:06 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

Well, I guess we won't be getting our debates after all. Crazy how that works.

Not good. I would be willing to bet that Trump will debate Biden. If he only has a mild case, he will likely debate in separate rooms. If he has a more severe case, he will likely drop out of the race.

Trump's tested so often, probably numerous times a day I bet. He had to have been recently infected by the virus meaning a solid two week quarantine period, maybe a bit less. If he were to drop out due to COVID-19 holy fuck that'd be some irony there.

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 01, 2020, 11:58:06 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

Well, I guess we won't be getting our debates after all. Crazy how that works.

That's bad. Hope Hicks tested positive earlier today and she was with Trump everywhere the last few days. A lot of other people are likely infected too.

I wish everyone quick recovery. It would be nice if this wasn't politicized but it most definitely will be.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 02, 2020, 12:00:57 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

You'd have to have a crystal ball to know that.

Who knows, he could get covid or something.

Not nice.

It takes about two weeks to get over a mild case of coronavirus, and up to 6 weeks for a severe case. Trump likely did not get the virus today, so that 2 week window has already started. The next presidential debate is in 13 days.

I would also note that Biden was in the same room as Trump for 90 minutes just two days ago, so it is very possible that he also has it, or that he got it at the debate.

Quote from: Gyfts on October 01, 2020, 11:58:06 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

Well, I guess we won't be getting our debates after all. Crazy how that works.

Not good. I would be willing to bet that Trump will debate Biden. If he only has a mild case, he will likely debate in separate rooms. If he has a more severe case, he will likely drop out of the race.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

You'd have to have a crystal ball to know that.

Who knows, he could get covid or something.

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Well, I guess we won't be getting our debates after all. Crazy how that works.

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 01, 2020, 08:52:58 PM

He didn't help himself in the first debate, but in 2016 his first debate performance was shitty too. He picked it up the other debates despite the releasing of the pussy tapes and sexual assault allegations. Plus there were a lot factually untrue things Joe Biden said in the debate that Trump never bothered refuting. No reason at all for him to check out of the remaining debates.

Maybe... if he's hit rock bottom and the only way is up. I'd be shitting my pants now if I was responsible for Trump's strategy for the next debate, particularly considering the town hall format. Given Trump's attacks on Wallace, what if he unloads on one of the "town" people asking questions? He's a loose cannon. The only thing he can hope for is that Biden will bomb worse than him... which is not likely given that Biden despite being gaffe-prone usually knows when to step back whereas Trump usually doubles and triples down on his blunders.

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Quote from: suchmoon on October 01, 2020, 08:41:15 PM

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

This doesn't make sense though?

If he's down, why wouldn't he want to participate in the debates?

Are you arguing with a double negative?

Although it doesn't make much sense either way. Trump didn't really help himself in the first debate.

He didn't help himself in the first debate, but in 2016 his first debate performance was shitty too. He picked it up the other debates despite the releasing of the pussy tapes and sexual assault allegations. Plus there were a lot factually untrue things Joe Biden said in the debate that Trump never bothered refuting. No reason at all for him to check out of the remaining debates.

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 01, 2020, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

This doesn't make sense though?

If he's down, why wouldn't he want to participate in the debates?

Are you arguing with a double negative?

Although it doesn't make much sense either way. Trump didn't really help himself in the first debate.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 01, 2020, 12:56:35 AM

Sure he does. He already laid the ground work last winter when he said he wouldn't participate if he thought it was unfair and complained about the board of the debate commission being never Trumpers. Plus he's been spreading conspiracy theories about Biden cheating for weeks. In the end he can make up whatever reason he wants and plenty of voters will either believe him or not care.

Some voters might believe it, but Trump and his campaign staff know it's over if he skips out, he has too much to lose.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:40 AM

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

This doesn't make sense though?

If he's down, why wouldn't he want to participate in the debates?

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What a joke this debate was if we can call it debate at all!
I don't remember the name of moderator but he did awful job here in controlling both candidates.
Trump doing his usual thing, and Biden trying to act normal and calm.
Both of them are old fossiles not fit for the job, and my conclusion is, if Biden wins he will close America again, and that will hurt everyone in the world.
Let's wait for next debate, but odds are in Bidens favor now.

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Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

I would note that it was Biden who was telling the President of the United States to “shut up” and calling him a clown. It was also Biden who called Trump “stupid” even though Biden finished last in his class in school, and has a history of plagiarism.

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Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil. I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu - Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

He doesn't have a choice but to participate. Trump checking out of the debate means Biden wins by default. With how much he's down, this isn't a smart campaign strategy.

Sure he does. He already laid the ground work last winter when he said he wouldn't participate if he thought it was unfair and complained about the board of the debate commission being never Trumpers. Plus he's been spreading conspiracy theories about Biden cheating for weeks. In the end he can make up whatever reason he wants and plenty of voters will either believe him or not care.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 30, 2020, 03:08:22 PM

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil. I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu - Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

He doesn't have a choice but to participate. Trump checking out of the debate means Biden wins by default. With how much he's down, this isn't a smart campaign strategy.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 30, 2020, 03:08:22 PM

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil. I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu - Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 30, 2020, 03:08:22 PM

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 30, 2020, 03:08:22 PM

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

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I'd be quite happy if the next two debates follow suit.

So there's an interesting situation. Trump campaign is obviously claiming great victory and probably wouldn't agree to rule changes. They're claiming it would help Biden, although really it would be more likely to allow Biden to go off rails if he has to talk for 2 minutes uninterrupted. Perhaps the campaign isn't sure they can reign Trump in. It wouldn't be good TV if Trump was muted mid-ramble and/or continued to talk while muted.

And the next debate is a "town hall", whatever that means these days (Zoom?). Having Trump agitated again and trying to interrupt people asking questions would be some next level shitshow.

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Quote from: eddie13 on September 30, 2020, 02:40:25 PM

Or just have no moderator and let them go head to head for as long as they can handle it..

Likely be pretty interesting.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 30, 2020, 03:08:22 PM

Little update on the whole Presidential Debate stuff and what we're going to see for the future, Axios states the following from the Debate commission:

Quote from: https://www.axios.com/debate-commission-changes-23c0e82f-c596-468f-9544-e986a69a7836.html

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Wednesday that it plans to implement changes to rules for the remaining debates, after Tuesday night's head-to-head between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was practically incoherent for most of the night.

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

I agree with the need for a change in the way the debates are done. But, I think last night showed us exactly the kind of people the debaters are... for debates, that is.

When you look at all the things that Biden did to improve his finances when he was in the vice-p, and all the things that Trump has done for the people, the only reasons Biden might win are two:
1. Corruptions in the voting world;
2. Ignorant people who don't understand how Trump has blessed them.

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Little update on the whole Presidential Debate stuff and what we're going to see for the future, Axios states the following from the Debate commission:

Quote from: https://www.axios.com/debate-commission-changes-23c0e82f-c596-468f-9544-e986a69a7836.html

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Wednesday that it plans to implement changes to rules for the remaining debates, after Tuesday night's head-to-head between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was practically incoherent for most of the night.

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

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