Topic: Presidential debates - page 9. (Read 2330 times)

What a game. Just let Trump in so he can finish out his two terms. I mean, if you don't let him back in, the Dems will mess up the next four years so badly, that Trump will easily make it back in, in 2024.


'Shut Up, Man!' Dissecting The Trump-Biden Circus




'Shut Up, Man!' Dissecting The Trump-Biden Circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBmaHROxUhk

Or just have no moderator and let them go head to head for as long as they can handle it..

A better format would have been to have a computer controlled countdown for each person's talk. Give them a big OLED screen they can watch that has a green bar moving toward completion of the 2 minutes, it could go amber, then red, then blinking red, and then shuts off audio.

At that point the contender could punch a button that gives him another 10, 20 or 30 seconds. But we'd only give him say 600 seconds total on that clock.

That'd shut them up, and let Wallace manage content, not shutdowns.

Hell, I'd even given them a 2nd button which allowed them to interrupt someone else talking, but limit it to 10 10 second interrupts.

Hope this wasn’t too much of a spoiler because I’m about to watch it if I can find it..

appropriate as the debate looked like an argument between two drunks at a bar with wallace the bartender occasionally threatening to cut one off and throw them out, with little effect.

pretty embarrassing for citizens of the usa.. theres a rock out in the yard im looking at. think im gonna vote for it nov 3rd.

I only watched the main parts from the debate but this was really rough. It kind of reminds me of 4 years ago when Trump had the first debate with Hillary. Trump trying to bully his opponent around and they try to keep their cool. In my opinion it will have no really impact on the polls. The people who will vote for Trump know what they are getting and are not going to change their opinion because of the debate. As for Biden it's early to see people abandon him. I think it will take another debate for people to start switching their opinions.

Did he do a bad job? Yes.

But can we really blame him? Guy really didn't have a lot to work with. Both Trump and Biden were really losing it on one another with the constant talking over one another -- I do have to say that Trump totally talked way too much and made himself look very dumb there.

Totally true on the whole - let Biden talk and we can probably end up somewhere where he stumbled by himself. But Trump just made himself look like a buffoon without letting Biden talk. Biden stumbled in the beginning and Trump should've let him continue to stumble.

Less on the Hunter Biden stuff, more on the socialist side of the party. More on law and order. More on Biden being in politics for 47 years and getting nothing done. Biden is part of the establishment and so on and so forth.

October surprise is going to really be needed to help propel Trump. This isn't looking good for the GOP right now.

You are one of the reasons trump is willing to kill off people.


On the other hand Since I have been directly affected by covid-19

We simply will never agree.

Btw I had H1N1 and for me it was worse then covid-19 which I had with my wife. Jan of 2020.

Trump canceled Biden Obama pandemic programs to save a few bucks. So defending Trump over covid-19 is your choice not mine.

This is false. The coronavirus is something that cannot be stopped. No matter what happens, people will get the virus and no matter what, it will still spread. This is regardless of whatever lockdowns are put into place. Broad economic shutdowns are a novel concept way of handling coronaviruses, that can be traced back to China.

It is unfortunate that Wallace did not bring this up, however Biden and Obama did a very bad job at handling H1N1 in 2009. If H1N1 was as deadly as the Wuhan coronavirus is, millions of Americans would have died, hospitals would have been overrun, and it would have been an overall disaster. Biden was lucky it was not much more deadly than the flu, and tens of millions of Americans were infected.

Heres one :

Howell ,NJ police pick Biden.

A town of 60,000 with 100 or so cops.

Trump should give up trying to convince anyone that Biden and Harris will be soft on crime. They are known to be hardasses much the same as he is.

Trump’s best move is to say Biden is too afraid of covid and will shut down the country again much like Boris Johnson Did.

As I lay on my bed watching my wife still suffer from her bout with covid-19 last Jan .

Trump cant win me over cause it is pretty obivous he is willing to kill off people to make money.

Overall I would say that Chris Wallace did a bad job at moderating. This is surprising considering that IMO he was the best moderator in the last set of debates in 2016. Wallace really lost control of the conversation multiple times throughout the debate.

Wallace asked for Trump to denounce White Supremists, however he was unable to name a specific group he wanted Trump to denounce, and he did not ask Biden to do the same thing for BLM nor ANIFTA, and the left leaning groups are responsible for 99%+ of the violence and rioting. Trump did not specifically denounce White Suprremists, but he did ask for a specific name to condem, which he received no response.

Trump should not have interrupted Biden as much. I believe Biden would have embarrised himself more, and would have shown his declining mental abilities if not for Trump's interruptions. There were other times in which Trump should have interrupted when he didn't such as about the often repeated lie that Trump said White Suppremists were "very fine people" in Charlottsville.

Biden's non-answer on court-packing basically means he is for court-packing. If he comes out as being against court-packing, it shuts down any concerns about the SC being packed, while if he says he is pro-packing, this becomes a major headline (it is very unpopular). Biden's explanation is that he wont answer the question because it would distract from the SC conversation, and being pro-packing is the only position that would distract from the conversation.

Not a boring debate, though very messy. Trump was interrupting so much that a lot of people might've just lost interest and turned off the channel. If you did watch, then Trump was clearly dominating; Biden looked very weak. Biden supporters will be even more irritated at Trump than usual for rudely steamrolling over Biden, though I don't think that their enthusiasm (=likeliness to vote) will be increased. Trump's supporters will be pretty excited. The most important factor was whether anyone was convinced that Biden is not the safe pick, and I think that there may have been a bit of this due to how incoherent/distractable/weak he was, but there was so much interruption from Trump that this effect may have been reduced. In many cases Trump's first inturruption clearly threw off Biden's train of thought and probably would've caused him to falter for the next 60 seconds if left alone, but Trump kept interrupting him, which ruins the effect. Trump would've been better-served by cutting his interruptions by 75% IMO (though definitely not eliminating them).

I think that it was a good night for Trump overall. Better than I expected, though far from perfect for him, and probably not enough to really shake up the race.

There were a lot of controversial things Trump said, but most of it will slide off of Teflon Don like usual. The only huge flub I saw from him was his refusal to denounce white nationalists. He handed that exchange very poorly for no apparent reason, and if the media makes a big deal out of this, I could see this actually hurting him a bit.

Random notes I made while watching:
 - Reasonable realpolitik answer from Trump on the court nomination. Best to drop any pretense of consistency, since everyone knows that's BS.
 - Trump was effective at prodding Biden about packing the court
 - Biden's prepared "look at your empty chair [from people who died from coronavirus]" response came off to me as an incredibly distasteful obvious political heart-strings-pull. Not sure how it will be viewed generally.
 - Interesting for Trump to note his CDC's lying on masks
 - Even Wallace laughed at Trump's joke about nobody showing up to Biden events
 - Trump was strong on the tax story. Directly denied it, changed the subject, distracted Biden when he was talking about it. It's really effective to blame Biden for creating the tax loopholes that Trump exploited.
 - It was very bad moderating for Wallace to ask a question about Critical Race Theory in a debate. Most viewers will have never heard of this, and will think that it's just some generic anti-racism sensitivity training, but this specific program has many critics on both the right and left. You could debate its merits, but you can't expect someone to even properly explain the issue in 2 minutes. (Trump should've dodged it more directly rather than actually trying to half-explain it.)
 - Biden had some good prepared remarks on suburbs and community policing, and Trump's prodding on this doesn't seem effective to me
 - One moment Trump is accusing Biden of writing a too-harsh, racist crime bill, the next he's saying that he's weak on law & order...
 - Trump's "name one police group supporting you", and Biden's failure to do so, was super effective.
 - Biden should've been able to fire back more strongly at Trump's refusal to commit to accepting the election outcome.

burp...

Yes, they should. Historically, that's been common and accepted practice.

Okay, so nobody won this debate.

Trump came out swinging, as expected. He went way too overboard with the interruptions. It was clear he was trying to catch Biden off guard, and I think he did get him stumbling, but did so by sounding unhinged.

Biden, clearly stuttering and slurring his speech right off the bat and continued it throughout.

For COVID-19, Trump did a poor job at responding to the discrepancies between him and his CDC director but he is absolutely right that his shutting down of travel from China/Europe saved lives. Biden was strictly against this travel ban. Biden laughed when Trump mentioned that he provided governors what they needed, but Trump is right, he did provide them with the resources.

Biden also mentioned that he wanted schools open and tried to pin school closings on Trump which is plain false. Democrats across the entire country knowingly tried to shut down schools despite doctors stating that COVID-19 was not an extreme threat to children. Trump has tweeted about schools opening all the way back in July.

Trump was asked to condemn white supremacy, alt right, proud boys and pauses...Jesus Christ. At the end though, Chris Wallace asked Trump to ask them to not get involved and "stand down", and Trump said they should stand down. Way too late on his delivery. You fucking cannot tip toe around the line when it comes to this shit.

On the other hand, Biden refused to condemn antifa, which even Chris Wallace mentioned Portland which has faced months of straight rioting. He has refused to condemn BLM radicals. He did not put forth a plan to stop the violence in these cities, he did not mention bringing the national guard. Trump could have done a better job in pinning Joe Biden's position on him, but he kept interrupting. The violence in these cities are not ring wing and it's utterly disingenuous to pin it on the alt right or "agitators". They are out screaming "Black Lives Matters", starting fires, assaulting police, so on.

On climate change, I think Biden was more convincing but for the wrong reasons. He advocated for the Paris Climate Accord which does virtually nothing on stopping the total increase of global temperatures even if China and India meet their guidelines (which would never happen). The Paris Accord is a way for China to gain economic advantage of the U.S., and the US and China will most likely go to war within the next 50 years. The "Green New Deal" is also not economically feasible, Trump is right on this. But, again, most Americans think "going green" is a great idea without considering economic drawbacks, therefore Biden won this part.


On a peaceful transition of power - Trump did really bad. Trump supporters should not be at the polls "observing" and watching. Joe Biden plainly stated that yes, he will wait until an independent body verifies who the winner is, which was the "right" answer.

Trump was down and needed a debate win here to pull ahead. A "tied" debate (although I think many people will say Biden was the winner), technically means a Trump loss.

Might add some more things later but these are the things that stuck out to me.

Chris Wallace was decent, given the circumstances. BTW, all this is strictly my worthless opinion.

.... Will have to keep that in mind for the future. That was absolutetly horrible.

Had a few friends say that they were going to start playing a drinking game where they would drink every time they felt bad for Chris Wallace. I'd have to say that if they actually went through with it then they'd probably be fucking dead in a ditch somewhere right now. That was horribly painful to watch.

Hopefully we see a change in the debate rules and some mics get cut in the future. That was a fucking SHIT SHOW.

Although the dumbness MAY be contagious, there is a method to achieve herd immunity even in the midst of the three baboon shoutshow.

Only watch such political porn drunk.

I'll continue watching, but this is really a shit show.

I feel HORRIBLE for Wallace right now. Guy can't keep this entire thing together and I totally get it. Trump will continue to interrupt and Biden doesn't have a good way to shut it down. Wallace is really losing control of this debate, and this isn't working.

This is a total shitshow, not sure what to do here. SIGH.

LOL Trump is going at it like cryptohunter, strategy seems to be to just talk over Biden...

Wallace should really separate them a bit and let them speak one at a time.

will you shut up man???