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Hi, everyone!  I have the following announcements to make:

1. ca333, the security expert from Switzerland, will join Qora dev team as a security consultant/core contributor. He had provided code contributions and performed security audits for Qora in the past.  After joining the dev team, he will support Qora development by providing critical security analysis/bug fixes and much needed consultation.

He has my full support and trust, and I have full confidence in his expertise and ability to provide critical analysis.  To get an idea of what kind of work ca333 had been doing in the past, feel free to check out his BTT profile.

2. vbcs and CIYAM will continue to be a part of our Qora dev team.  Everything is cool. Please relax.  

So, everyone, let's get back on track and continue with the development!    Skerberus is currently working on bug fixes in 0.26.  I'll let him make an announcement when it's ready for release.  

That's really admirable CIYAM, respect!!

All crowdfunding QORA (and BURST) raised for AT was for @vbcs to do as he pleased (my interest in this field is not about making money but about trying to aid in the transformation from centralised to decentralised software which is why I am dead-against centralised cloud computing).

Note that all the coding done in Java has been by @vbcs (as I am a C++ coder and the original AT prototype was coded in C++ well before Qora had shown any interest in it. For that work which included the AT specification I received about 3 BTC in personal donations from memory of which I paid out 2 BTC for some help on an upcoming whitepaper).

So who got 250 million qoras for implementing AT ?

Is Red Hat a better option for Qora?

http://www.coindesk.com/open-source-giant-red-hat-blockchain-initiative/

Join in haste repent at leisure

Cheers Jon 

I have been following Qora since it began and remember the original dev had to lock the first thread and start a new moderated one to keep the discussion civil. Perhaps the new Qora team should start a moderated thread.

If jwinterm wants to accuse NEM of making vague ramblings about how Microsoft is trying to "kneecap" the blockchain industry he should do it on the NEM thread. However, the only way to force him to keep this discussion civil is to start a moderated thread.

For the record I personally was never paid any QORA whatsoever and would appreciate that you don't post incorrect information (funds that were crowdfunded were not ever paid to me nor even under my control).

It is no conspiracy theory about the way that Microsoft has done business for many, many years. Those who worked for Netscape would never forget all losing their jobs because of the illegal (and yes, they were fined for illegal) practices.

Hosting a bunch of nodes under the control of a single organisation is opposite of decentralisation and therefore itself a bad idea.

Trusting that Microsoft doesn't have any ulterior motive is naive at best considering their long track record.

If you can't resist attacking supposed conspiracy theories (and I've offered no such thing) then please go and fight the trolls on this forum spreading misinformation about SegWit (IMO that would actually be a more useful thing you could do with your time).

Sorry, I guess I just can't help myself when I see misinformation and conspiracy theories being bandied about like they were chiseled on stone tablets by Moses himself. Also, why are you bringing up the fact again that I have very little Qora again (for the record I have ~4M Qora) when you state yourself that you have no Qora (despite being paid 50 or 100M Qora to work on AT)?

As for the second question: no possible revenue potential to themselves? You think Azure instances are free? They want people to put templates up so more people will want to and be able to quickly spin up instances to provide backend servers for their services. More people running instances = more money for Microsoft.

You also didn't answer my questions:
Can someone explain what exactly they're afraid of with regards to Qora getting on Azure's BaaS template repo? Is the fear really that Microsoft will somehow gain control over the copyrights or other intellectual property? Just that nodes will become centralized on Azure?

Firstly, for someone who has stated repeatedly that you have very little QORA and don't care one way or the other, why is it that you keep on posting (more and more text and now with pictures) about this?

Secondly, why don't you explain to us all why Microsoft would offer a free service that would have no possible revenue potential to themselves?

To say you have no agenda or association with Microsoft and hardly anything invested yet repeatedly post to try and push this issue is confusing to say the least (and if you really are just out to "dispel any FUD" then there are at least another hundred or so topics that you should be posting in rather than just this one).

Can someone explain what exactly they're afraid of with regards to Qora getting on Azure's BaaS template repo? Is the fear really that Microsoft will somehow gain control over the copyrights or other intellectual property? Just that nodes will become centralized on Azure?

Here is the list of templates available:
https://github.com/Azure/azure-quickstart-templates

You'll see among them "ethereum-cpp-on-ubuntu", "bitshares-ubuntu-vm", and "monero-on-ubuntu". It's one thing to think, "OK, ETH, BTS, and XMR probably just overlooked something in the contributor license agreement and now they're gonna get pwned by M$." However, here's a few more templates on the list: "ubuntu-desktop-gnome", "wordpress-mysql-replication", and "mongodb-nodejs-high-availability". Do you really think Ubuntu and Gnome, or Wordpress and Mysql, or Mongodb and Nodejs are going to push their software onto something that will forfeit their intellectual property rights to Microsoft? No, this is ridiculous. The only thing that Microsoft claims any dominion over is the install script, and that's because you're pushing it to their Github repo.

There's been talk of NEM paying some extra fee so they didn't have to sign the agreement; they mention it in this blog post:
https://forum.nem.io/t/status-on-the-azure-project/2017
However, afaict they don't pay any extra fee and they aren't actually on the BaaS template list. They've forked the template list to their own github repo ( https://github.com/NewEconomyMovement/azure-quickstart-templates ), but they aren't even listed on that one. They link to a quasi-news article in their blog post that is nothing but vague ramblings about how Microsoft is trying to "kneecap" the blockchain industry, but read the comments on their blog post, people are telling them the same thing I've been posting here for the last day or two, for instance:

and

There's also comments going along with the conspiracy circle-jerk, about how this is going to turn over NEM into the diabolical hands of Microsoft. This is insane. Just remember, "Anybody can go into github and submit your project to Microsoft, but the only thing that they're giving away is the code it's actually pushed to the MS repository. Not your software."

I think the Azure idea is a bad one

You have touched my heart

Someone has started a new poll asking if Qora should pay $13 a month to join Azure BaaS, or give Microsoft intellectual property rights to join for free?

CIYAM is happy to continue supporting Qora if we pay to join, thereby retaining all intellectual property rights. I would rather retain his services because I consider his work valuable. NEMcoin chose to pay, and I would be happy to contribute towards a crowdfund for Qora to join.

Rather than argue with each other we should put our money where out mouth is, and vote for whatever we want. Please vote in the new poll.

Joined Qora today.. Installed on my windows and linux pc at the moment. Synchronizing right now. Really awesome and interesting

Hmm, I haven´t bought this Asset, it was transferred to my Account in August 2014. Do you have a Link to the First Announcement Thread?

Hmmm....yes, everyone is welcome. Very Good!

If you have studied Qora then you should know that I am not a developer (for it) and that CIYAM Developers were only responsible for AT (not the coin itself).

As far as PR goes I don't think that this project has anyone even working on that (and the Burst PR team ended up stealing all the funds so the #1 PR article we should have had about the first ACCT between two blockchains was never even published back when that occurred).

If you'd like to provide some PR then I'd think that would probably be welcomed (and if you have such a stake then surely that is in your interest).

Basically I prefer not to be even publicly involved so if you think I am a problem for PR then that isn't really such a problem (I've only been posting a lot in the last few days because I think the Azure idea is a bad one).

I've read through the threads to get an overview of the project has progressed.  I've only recently signed up and begun to participate, typically I lurk.  If you think that I'm some troll account, you're wrong.  I have a significant stake in QORA, so many angles are in play for me when watching you and your team.  Public relations, also known as, likability is a big part of emerging companies.

I don't wish to carry this conversation on any farther as I believe it will end up doing more harm than good for both you and I.

I am fine with him having his opinion and you should be fine with me expressing mine as well thank you.

Also - if not wanting to "get into bed with MS" makes me a "dick" then I am fine with that.