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xyz
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I have a few questions:


2. Has the departure of 2 members (in the last weeks or month) from the Qora team something to do with different opinions over azure?


I have stepped in into this project, trying to save it and I took everything on my hands.
I had several ideas and visions for this and luckily, as I said, due to the work made by the qora team, Qora became powerful enough.
But unfortunately the majority of users was not here.
And I've been tired trying to save Qora, trying to save your money's value, trying to save the decentralization idea that Qora represents with its features.
At the same time, I have a real life, I need to work, I need to take care of my self a little bit, I have priorities.
Unfortunately I've met a dead end, so I decided to stop everything I am doing for Qora as because I have been heavily involved for "really" no reason.
Ideas are wonderful guys, but reality is hard.Nothing can be achieved without the proper support.
I've been supported by CIYAM and Qora team and you still have Qora alive.Now you have to support them to keep the idea - and your money - alive.

Cheers
Vrontis

Vrontis can we do anything to get you again in our community?
We need you!!!

I understand that you don't want to do a lot of work for nothing.
We had an AT fund for the CIYAM team.
To ALL believer in Qora here: can we make a similar fund for our Qora team?
Maybe not only @vrontis but @agran, too, would join again. And who know, maybe @Qora himself too...
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A big big thanks to every body involved and taking the time to seriously think over and weigh the odds in this whole voting process. It is quite frankly a liberating process for me since the foundation of this process is intact as it should be. Again, from the very first developer to all further involved developers and to the community as a whole, thank you. Long Live Qora!!  Cool

I agree, Qora community is small but quite thoughtful and focused on the issues. We have shown remarkable resilience over the bear market of 2014-15, and as we approach our 2nd birthday I'm feeling very positive for the future. Great tech, great devs, and maybe one of the best decentralized power structures too. I don't feel influence and decision making authority is concentrated anywhere in particular. That's very healthy!
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I have a few questions:

Hi xyz,

In response to your questions:

1. It is my personal belief that going forward, we should do things the "democratic way" in order to encourage members participation, spur discussions, and foster a stronger sense of community.  Since both me and Skerberus had already come out and stated publicly that the team would respect the community's decision, I feel it would be inappropriate for any member of the dev team to make their position known at this point (as not to influence other members' thinking).

If you feel strongly about something, or if you really want something get done so badly, you can certainly lobby for votes and support.  Smiley  Feel free to use this thread as the forum to sway public opinion and solicit votes.  Smiley

I'd just like to say that, personally, I really enjoy the discussion that has taken place in the past couple days. I find it both enlightening and refreshing. I think we should do it more often.  Grin

2. If anyone feels that there's any Qora-related issue we should discuss or even put to vote, feel free to set up a poll and state your case in this thread.  Grin  Or if you like, you can let me know, and I'll make an announcement or even write up a beautiful post for you.  Cheesy Cheesy

3. Both CIYAM and vbcs are valuable members of Qora community, and they'll definitely continue to be members of Team Qora.  I've been in contact with CIYAM, and he had shared some of his visions for Qora with me.  One thing I can say for certain is this: there's definitely some exciting development going on, and great things are coming!  Smiley  

Okay, that's all I want to say for now~
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Thanks, but I had to do something different. Its working for me now. I got the answer from here;
https://qoracommunity.slack.com/

What I had to do is to deposit some qora into my wallet. That part I was missing.
Then I had to register a username for the network.

Done that and now I am participating as a peer Wink
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Perhaps I am missing one important link. Please tell me.. I searched this forum for the answer, but can't find it Sad.

A few days ago, i installed the wallet. Everything is synchronized. But when I go to "Accounts" all adresses stay on zero
Generated blocks keeps blanc

I run 0.25.1 version and use it in Linux Ubuntu.

What important link am I missing here ? Anyone? Smiley

Do I need to register myself somewhere? Is it not possible to use the wallet at the moment?

Hi there i had a similar problem another day and i had not found the solutions in anyplace, today i finally found and you can try my solution if you want.

All you have to do is delete your wallet.dat or copy to another place in case of any problem, reinstall qora wallet and when run, the qora wallet is going to ask if you want to create a new wallet or recover the old one, try to recover the old one by tiping your "seed hash" code. this solutions worked for me

sorry my bad english

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my magic is growing strong[er]

A big big thanks to every body involved and taking the time to seriously think over and weigh the odds in this whole voting process. It is quite frankly a liberating process for me since the foundation of this process is intact as it should be. Again, from the very first developer to all further involved developers and to the community as a whole, thank you. Long Live Qora!!  Cool
newbie
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Perhaps I am missing one important link. Please tell me.. I searched this forum for the answer, but can't find it Sad.

A few days ago, i installed the wallet. Everything is synchronized. But when I go to "Accounts" all adresses stay on zero
Generated blocks keeps blanc

I run 0.25.1 version and use it in Linux Ubuntu.

What important link am I missing here ? Anyone? Smiley

Do I need to register myself somewhere? Is it not possible to use the wallet at the moment?
legendary
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I just saw this in the NEM thread; you guys should read it:

@ Jabo38: Did you receive an answer from Microsoft?


Wasn´t there two Lawyers who should be conferenced with to find out what this Contract actually says?

A professional lawyer has written us back. It is good that we took a moment to hesitate.

He interprets the agreement with a wide scope that throws the burden on the submitter on any IP owned by third parties which is used when the submitter allows the submission to be applied by Microsoft.

This doesn't mean we can't be on the store, but that we should be careful when applying.

So the skeptical majority definitely has a point.
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legendary
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I see, thanks. It's not clear that hosting your own docker is enough to get you listed on Microsoft's blog as a partner or whatever, which quite frankly seems to be the whole point of this exercise - get a little free publicity rather than actually having an easily deployable Azure instance. Did NEM actually do this? It seems they are still mulling it over. Maybe because if they do it this way then there's no free publicity about how they're "partnering with Microsoft" and so it's not even worth the bother?
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I think we should compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without signing a license so CIYAM continues to contribute to Qora. If we decide to join Azure we should all vote on whether to join for free, or pay the $13 a month to avoid signing Microsoft licenses here.
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Couldn't we all compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without having to sign licensing agreements with Microsoft? That way we get the best of both worlds, Qora gets onto Azure, and CIYAM keeps contributing.

Afaik there is no paying $13 a month to get on Azure without signing licensing agreements. Could you point me to where that is offered on Azure's website? I know some NEM folk have mentioned it, but also afaik NEM isn't on Azure period, paying $13 a month or not.


This page says it costs ~$13.392/month to join for the cheapest subscription price, although there is tiered pricing all the way up to ~$725.4/month.

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/marketplace/partners/docker/docker-subscription-for-azure/

We could easily crowdfund the $13.392/month subscription.
legendary
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I think we should compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without signing a license so CIYAM continues to contribute to Qora. If we decide to join Azure we should all vote on whether to join for free, or pay the $13 a month to avoid signing Microsoft licenses here.
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Couldn't we all compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without having to sign licensing agreements with Microsoft? That way we get the best of both worlds, Qora gets onto Azure, and CIYAM keeps contributing.

Afaik there is no paying $13 a month to get on Azure without signing licensing agreements. Could you point me to where that is offered on Azure's website? I know some NEM folk have mentioned it, but also afaik NEM isn't on Azure period, paying $13 a month or not.
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I think we should compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without signing a license so CIYAM continues to contribute to Qora. If we decide to join Azure we should all vote on whether to join for free, or pay the $13 a month to avoid signing Microsoft licenses here.

I'm no legal expert, but I briefly researched free software licensing and it appears that GNU says Qora's MIT license does not protect users from patent treachery. GNU recommends the Apache 2.0 license since it blocks patent treachery.


http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html

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X11 License (#X11License)

..This license is sometimes called the MIT license, but that term is misleading, since MIT has used many licenses for software.

This is a fine license for a small program. A larger program usually ought to be copyleft; but if you are set on a lax permissive license for one, we recommend the Apache 2.0 license since it protects users from patent treachery.


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Expat License (#Expat)

This is a lax, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. It is sometimes ambiguously referred to as the MIT License.

For substantial programs it is better to use the Apache 2.0 license since it blocks patent treachery.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License

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Like the BSD license the MIT license does not include an express patent license. Both the BSD and the MIT licenses were drafted before the patentability of software was generally recognized under US law.


I couldn't find any tests of free software licenses in court, the GPL's first big test case against VMware is still ongoing. There don't appear to be any big test cases that set a legal precedent for free software licenses yet.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/01/vmwares_gpl_violation_case_rolls_into_german_court/

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A May resolution is a very optimistic outcome, as the court gave VMware and Hellwig until April 15th to submit further arguments. May 16th has been set as a day for a decision to be delivered, but only if the court feels it has all the information it needs to do so before that date. With the court saying it has only a basic understanding of the issues at stake, quick resolution without recourse to witnesses and experts appears unlikely.


Couldn't we all compromise and pay the $13 a month to get on Azure without having to sign licensing agreements with Microsoft? That way we get the best of both worlds, Qora gets onto Azure, and CIYAM keeps contributing.
xyz
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('XYZ is a dick' etc).

You do know @xyz is part of the community, right?  Grin

haha, no offence @xyz Smiley

change that to 'joe sixpack is a dick'

I have not felt concern. Smiley
In principle I also have no problem with bad words against me. It is very difficult to offend me because I don't allow anybody to disturb my well-being. In addition, I do not always understand everything ...

I have a few questions:
1. I would very much like to know what our devs think about Azure.

2. Has the departure of 2 members (in the last weeks or month) from the Qora team something to do with different opinions over azure?

3. Has GoldenKnight369 deleted himself his large posting from yesterday?
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('XYZ is a dick' etc).

You do know @xyz is part of the community, right?  Grin

haha, no offence @xyz Smiley

change that to 'joe sixpack is a dick'
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('XYZ is a dick' etc).

You do know @xyz is part of the community, right?  Grin
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IMO the only moderation should be for obvious FUD with no content ('this coin is a scam' with no details etc) and abuse ('XYZ is a dick' etc).

Robust heated debate with intellectual content is great, passion is good too

Yes! I agree wholeheartedly!  Grin
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I have been following Qora since it began and remember the original dev had to lock the first thread and start a new moderated one to keep the discussion civil. Perhaps the new Qora team should start a moderated thread.

In my humble opinion, fostering an environment where debate and dialog can take place is an important part of community-building process.

As a community, we should strive to become a democracy where all sides' arguments can be presented and heard. We should become more tolerant and encourage more members to speak their minds and present their views and arguments. Juding from all the debates and disucssions going on in the past couple days, I'd say we're going the right way.  Smiley

Personally, I'm very appreciative of everyone's input, regardless of whether I agree with the argument put forth or not. From what I see, jwinterm has been very civil in presenting his view. So I, for one, definitely welcome his participation in our discussion and his decision to take part in our community.  Cheesy

Having said that, I think having a moderated thread will be considered against the spirit of a community project such as Qora. I prefer to have things as the way they are.

Thank you!

IMO the only moderation should be for obvious FUD with no content ('this coin is a scam' with no details etc) and abuse ('XYZ is a dick' etc).

Robust heated debate with intellectual content is great, passion is good too
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I have been following Qora since it began and remember the original dev had to lock the first thread and start a new moderated one to keep the discussion civil. Perhaps the new Qora team should start a moderated thread.

In my humble opinion, fostering an environment where debate and dialog can take place is an important part of community-building process.

As a community, we should strive to become a democracy where all sides' arguments can be presented and heard. We should become more tolerant and encourage more members to speak their minds and present their views and arguments. Juding from all the debates and disucssions going on in the past couple days, I'd say we're going the right way.  Smiley

Personally, I'm very appreciative of everyone's input, regardless of whether I agree with the argument put forth or not. From what I see, jwinterm has been very civil in presenting his view. So I, for one, definitely welcome his participation in our discussion and his decision to take part in our community.  Cheesy

Having said that, I think having a moderated thread will be considered against the spirit of a community project such as Qora. My personal preference is to keep things the way they are right now.

Thank you!
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Hi, everyone!  I have the following announcements to make:

1. ca333, the security expert from Switzerland, will join Qora dev team as a security consultant/core contributor. He had provided code contributions and performed security audits for Qora in the past.  After joining the dev team, he will support Qora development by providing critical security analysis/bug fixes and much needed consultation.

He has my full support and trust, and I have full confidence in his expertise and ability to provide critical analysis.  To get an idea of what kind of work ca333 had been doing in the past, feel free to check out his BTT profile.

2. vbcs and CIYAM will continue to be a part of our Qora dev team.  Everything is cool. Please relax.  Smiley

So, everyone, let's get back on track and continue with the development!  Wink  Skerberus is currently working on bug fixes in 0.26.  I'll let him make an announcement when it's ready for release.  Smiley

Great news, welcome ca333, and thank you!

Time to buy some more Qora Smiley
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