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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 22, 2023, 07:44:31 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on July 22, 2023, 03:40:10 PM

Being greedy and overly trusting in gambling for sustenance is a bad concept and every gambler must make sure to avoid those features since they are the partway to possible addictions in in the long run.

It's easy to say this but in reality, it is almost impossible to convince the gambler that he is addicted to gambling and even more different to ask him to quit gambling. The gamblers don't care what is good for them in the long run, they only see the present and want to earn money through gambling.
I don't think it can be easy for anyone to quit gambling. One situation can be that the gambler loses everything and become out of cash, only in that case he may quit as he has no other option but other than this, I don't see gamblers quitting.

Well , I think you totally missed the what Wiwo was pointing out in his comment, he wasn't talking about how easy or difficult it is for gambling addicts to quit or not quit gambling, and he wasn't also talking about whether it be impossible or not, for them to agree that they are addicted to gambling.

What Wiwo is saying is that gambling for sustenance, that is depending only on gambling as a source of livelihood is a bad attitude or character, and it is one the common ways by which many get themselves addicted to gambling, since they think of nothing else other than gambling.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 22, 2023, 07:44:31 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on July 22, 2023, 03:40:10 PM

Being greedy and overly trusting in gambling for sustenance is a bad concept and every gambler must make sure to avoid those features since they are the partway to possible addictions in in the long run.

It's easy to say this but in reality, it is almost impossible to convince the gambler that he is addicted to gambling and even more different to ask him to quit gambling. The gamblers don't care what is good for them in the long run, they only see the present and want to earn money through gambling.
I don't think it can be easy for anyone to quit gambling. One situation can be that the gambler loses everything and become out of cash, only in that case he may quit as he has no other option but other than this, I don't see gamblers quitting.

If it's during an early stage when the person just started gambling and realised that they were getting addicted to it, it can be very easy to just quickly tack on a U turn, but once it gets out of hand, it becomes difficult to stop it, like you said. But that doesn't mean it really can't be stopped; if the person in question really has the intention and the decision to stop gambling compulsively, then they can do it on their own or even seek help on how to stop it. Based on what @Wiwo said, it's true that if a gambler is greedy and sees gambling as the only means of earning money, they might get stuck and addicted more quickly.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on July 22, 2023, 09:08:58 AM

Calm down! If you are an alcoholic that doesn’t mean every alcohol drink factory should be closed because there people that drinks responsibly and enjoy it. The same thing goes for gambling if you are a heavy and addicted to it that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone should stop gambling and shut down casinos.
Personally I don’t even want to quit gambling as i find it only a way of having fun and spending good time. If you are addicted you need to get some help from advisors or a therapist to fully quit and not ask others to do because simply it’s not the way things work, if something is bad for you it’s not necessarily bad for everyone.

That's the case with a lot of gamblers, they don't gamble to earn profits but they do it to entertain themselves by spending some money from what they earn in a week or in a month, if they win something good, they are happy, but if they lose everything for that specific period, they don't worry much and don't chase their losses because they know it is not worth it and they will lose more if they try to recover their previous losses because they understand how gambling works.

Those who gamble for profits and want to earn money through gambling tend to get addicted to it pretty easily because they can't let go of their losses, so whenever they lose some money, they start trying to recover that loss and in pursuit of that, they lose even more, and then they just can't get out of that cycle.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 22, 2023, 01:52:55 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 21, 2023, 01:24:27 PM

Of course it is so. But if we talking about some common experience - trading needs more special knowledge. You have to know a lot for trading but in gambling you can start fast for casino games the rules are really simple.
And i can`t say that in trading your risks are lower than in gambling. Using money management you can control you budget. I try to lose small sums both but i can`t say that trading has less risks than gambling.

Trading does require more general experience in analyzing and also determining the right position to buy or sell but experience from trading is very useful for everyday life too because we can be more focused, consistent and also patient.
Moreover, in trading there is no risk of addiction and it is different from gambling which has long-term effects of gambling addiction where addiction is very dangerous for anyone who experiences it.
If think that gambling is riskier in all forms of risk, but that is a choice, so no one can forbid it.

For me trading has the same risk of addiction as the gambling. The difference is that in gambling you is just a gamer and in trading use is a serious businessman. But the result is the same and their knowledge the same too. At least for lots of traders i saw it looks to be truth.
Of course if we`ll talk about the true traders - the situation differs, but for common user - it`s the same.

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Quote from: Wiwo on July 22, 2023, 03:40:10 PM

Being greedy and overly trusting in gambling for sustenance is a bad concept and every gambler must make sure to avoid those features since they are the partway to possible addictions in in the long run.

It's easy to say this but in reality, it is almost impossible to convince the gambler that he is addicted to gambling and even more different to ask him to quit gambling. The gamblers don't care what is good for them in the long run, they only see the present and want to earn money through gambling.
I don't think it can be easy for anyone to quit gambling. One situation can be that the gambler loses everything and become out of cash, only in that case he may quit as he has no other option but other than this, I don't see gamblers quitting.

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Quote from: Weawant on July 22, 2023, 03:08:14 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on July 22, 2023, 04:06:59 AM

Usually addicts will realize when they lose everything, for those who have a strong mentality he will get up and get out by himself but if he doesn't have a strong mentality he will definitely end his life without thinking about his future, but as a friend I still pay attention to him so he doesn't do anything that harms himself.

Not all addict realized that they're addicted, some just think they're doing what everyone else who is gambling is doing and when they have gotten to this stages, this person need help in quiting because if he continues he might take decision that he'll regret in the future.

Gamblers with strong mentality can still be broken down with addiction or realization of the lost that they have had when they get their senses back. Some gamblers has lost too much to gambling that it becomes difficult to quit because when they're paying they have hope.

They have hope that one day they can win and get back all the money they lost to the house but if they stop Gambling it means they have given up on winning back the money they have lost. This reason is why they keep playing without realizing they're making matters worse.

Have you observed how a gambler's universe shrinks to fit on a poker chip? When you roll dice or flip cards, right? Its crucial. They dont notice. They loop like a broken VHS cassette.

Cognitive conflict is huge. The brain makes sense in strange ways, huh? "One more bet won't hurt." It might improve everything." Oh, memories! They return because of their past victories.

But you can improve. Mate, we need everyone. Help them see their mistakes, assist them, and guide them to a better future. Dont we share this?

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Quote from: Weawant on July 22, 2023, 03:08:14 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on July 22, 2023, 04:06:59 AM

Usually addicts will realize when they lose everything, for those who have a strong mentality he will get up and get out by himself but if he doesn't have a strong mentality he will definitely end his life without thinking about his future, but as a friend I still pay attention to him so he doesn't do anything that harms himself.

Not all addict realized that they're addicted, some just think they're doing what everyone else who is gambling is doing and when they have gotten to this stages, this person need help in quiting because if he continues he might take decision that he'll regret in the future.

Gamblers with strong mentality can still be broken down with addiction or realization of the lost that they have had when they get their senses back. Some gamblers has lost too much to gambling that it becomes difficult to quit because when they're paying they have hope.

They have hope that one day they can win and get back all the money they lost to the house but if they stop Gambling it means they have given up on winning back the money they have lost. This reason is why they keep playing without realizing they're making matters worse.

Yes some addicts are unaware of that and that really hurts because there wont be any attempt to quite since they are unaware of that problem, the thing that make people think and act in such way is the chase of money, making gambling a means of making passive daily survival is what have lead many into unnoticed addiction and at that one must first come to terms with the fact that, addiction os something that most likely have psychological effects on the victim and their state of mind matters and how well there tends to handle the outcome of the games.

Being greedy and overly trusting in gambling for sustenance is a bad concept and every gambler must make sure to avoid those features since they are the partway to possible addictions in in the long run.

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Quote from: piebeyb on July 22, 2023, 04:06:59 AM

Usually addicts will realize when they lose everything, for those who have a strong mentality he will get up and get out by himself but if he doesn't have a strong mentality he will definitely end his life without thinking about his future, but as a friend I still pay attention to him so he doesn't do anything that harms himself.

Not all addict realized that they're addicted, some just think they're doing what everyone else who is gambling is doing and when they have gotten to this stages, this person need help in quiting because if he continues he might take decision that he'll regret in the future.

Gamblers with strong mentality can still be broken down with addiction or realization of the lost that they have had when they get their senses back. Some gamblers has lost too much to gambling that it becomes difficult to quit because when they're paying they have hope.

They have hope that one day they can win and get back all the money they lost to the house but if they stop Gambling it means they have given up on winning back the money they have lost. This reason is why they keep playing without realizing they're making matters worse.

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 12:02:18 PM

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays.

I like your point here, they have to determine from their heart to change if not everything will results into wasted efforts if care is not taken, there's a stage an addiction will get to and go beyond control except if the person involved willingly determined to change but it would have been too late i most cases because they would have been seriously dealt with and left with no other alternative to live than quitting.

Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 12:02:18 PM

A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

Yes, everything comes with determination from the heart and not through pretence or by force.

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Quote from: Mr.suevie on July 22, 2023, 02:30:34 PM

Quote from: GxSTxV on July 22, 2023, 09:08:58 AM

Calm down! If you are an alcoholic that doesn’t mean every alcohol drink factory should be closed because there people that drinks responsibly and enjoy it. The same thing goes for gambling if you are a heavy and addicted to it that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone should stop gambling and shut down casinos.
Personally I don’t even want to quit gambling as i find it only a way of having fun and spending good time. If you are addicted you need to get some help from advisors or a therapist to fully quit and not ask others to do because simply it’s not the way things work, if something is bad for you it’s not necessarily bad for everyone.

I think the reason for him actually saying so maybe it's because of the fact that majority of people who actually gamble are addicted to the habit. Well you are right in one sense because there is a saying which says another man's poison is another man's joy and this also applies to the ratio of people gambling as the habit favours some people why some are a victim of their demise in the act because they don't know when to stop and never relent as they continually chase their loses.

There is always one thing with addiction which is to become addicted is very easy but getting out of the addiction is what is very hard for many of those with cases of addiction, just like a drug it is better not to get duck into the addiction because withdrawal is almost impossible in some cases.

But then also as an addict the first motivation is the zeal to quit and once that zeal is there, any opportunity could result in total avoidance, and when that happens you must make sure to avoid any possible slide back into the hole of addiction again.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on July 22, 2023, 09:08:58 AM

Calm down! If you are an alcoholic that doesn’t mean every alcohol drink factory should be closed because there people that drinks responsibly and enjoy it. The same thing goes for gambling if you are a heavy and addicted to it that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone should stop gambling and shut down casinos.
Personally I don’t even want to quit gambling as i find it only a way of having fun and spending good time. If you are addicted you need to get some help from advisors or a therapist to fully quit and not ask others to do because simply it’s not the way things work, if something is bad for you it’s not necessarily bad for everyone.

I think the reason for him actually saying so maybe it's because of the fact that majority of people who actually gamble are addicted to the habit. Well you are right in one sense because their is saying which says another man poison is another man joy and this also applies to the ratio of people gambling as the habit favours some people why some are a victim of their own demise in the act because they don't know when to stop and never relent as they continually chase their loses.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 22, 2023, 12:27:25 AM

Even though there's no internet included there's gambling already those are the form of offline gambling like betting game casually with your friends or a particular place, they keep gambling in table top games, casual games like billiards or even fighting events there's always a betting the only need to do is to change the environment you are coming with those are the most influential to your part, this could serve as a treatment to your self to preventing playing gambling reason why control yourself too.

You are right, but in some cases, even if you change the person's environment to a different place, it will only take them a longer time to live there, and they will still make a few friends that can feed them the right information that will definitelyl lead them to Gambling. What I was suggesting is that if the person is being isolated for some period of time and being continually talked to by their loved ones, then they might have a change of mind.

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Calm down! If you are an alcoholic that doesn’t mean every alcohol drink factory should be closed because there people that drinks responsibly and enjoy it. The same thing goes for gambling if you are a heavy and addicted to it that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone should stop gambling and shut down casinos.
Personally I don’t even want to quit gambling as i find it only a way of having fun and spending good time. If you are addicted you need to get some help from advisors or a therapist to fully quit and not ask others to do because simply it’s not the way things work, if something is bad for you it’s not necessarily bad for everyone.

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Quote from: piebeyb on July 22, 2023, 04:06:59 AM

Usually addicts will realize when they lose everything

Not even when they lose everything but when they feel that they're not contented with a few bets and they want to come back anytime or stay for a longer time. Despite of having nothing anymore, they can't chill aside and they wish to gamble again even if they do understand that the situation isn't favoring them anymore.

Quote from: piebeyb on July 22, 2023, 04:06:59 AM

for those who have a strong mentality he will get up and get out by himself but if he doesn't have a strong mentality he will definitely end his life without thinking about his future, but as a friend I still pay attention to him so he doesn't do anything that harms himself.

Sometimes when you're too confident, that's also dangerous. Many of those addicts have been comfortable and believed that they've got a strong mentality until they've been beaten themselves up.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 22, 2023, 12:54:43 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 21, 2023, 10:29:47 AM

Look mate, there is a saying in my place that 'he who is not ready to save himself, nobody can save that person, no matter how hard they try', being a friend to an addict gambler does not mean you should turn yourself to a babysitter, most especially in a case where the addict him or her self isn't even a baby.

Don't get me wrong though, its not a bad thing to try to help, after all the biblical law commands us to be our brother's keeper, but then, you can only help someone who is willing and in need of help, else your effort will just be wasted one, and if not careful, you might even end up becoming an enemy to the said or supposed friend, this opinion of mine is based on personal experience though.

I think what a gambling addict needs is genuine attention so that he knows that there are still people who try to be kind and care about him. Gradually, this will open his heart to accept the person, and with this gentle approach, the gambling addict can start to open up. After all, there's nothing wrong with trying to pay attention to a gambling addict, especially if we know them well and we think they really need our help.

What you said is very correct bud, i totally get your point, But then, what i meant in my comment above is that, there are some people, regardless whether we know them or not, that have made up their minds, maybe not forever but for that moment, and nothing you do or say to them will make them budge, and if you with your really genuine intention to help try to push harder to make them realize you are only trying to help, they either pick up a fight with you, accusing you of trying to control them, or they start keeping distance from you..

What i am really saying is that, for your help to be really effective on a gambling addict, or some one with any kind of problem that they need help with, they(the person) have to first of all admit they have a problem and need help, this way, they can genuinely value your help, and you also will be very motivated to help.

Aside this, how do you convince a gambling addict that he needs help, when he or she does not even know, or ready to accept that he or she is addicted?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 22, 2023, 12:54:43 AM

I think what a gambling addict needs is genuine attention so that he knows that there are still people who try to be kind and care about him. Gradually, this will open his heart to accept the person, and with this gentle approach, the gambling addict can start to open up. After all, there's nothing wrong with trying to pay attention to a gambling addict, especially if we know them well and we think they really need our help.

Maybe for my attention there is no problem, but for advice it is rather difficult to advise addicts because it is difficult to make addicts realize that what they are doing is wrong, usually addicts tend to ignore any advice from other people even though it is something good for them, I also have a friend addict and he managed to get out of his addiction because his family abandoned him and also lost all his money.

Usually addicts will realize when they lose everything, for those who have a strong mentality he will get up and get out by himself but if he doesn't have a strong mentality he will definitely end his life without thinking about his future, but as a friend I still pay attention to him so he doesn't do anything that harms himself.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 22, 2023, 12:54:43 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 21, 2023, 10:29:47 AM

Look mate, there is a saying in my place that 'he who is not ready to save himself, nobody can save that person, no matter how hard they try', being a friend to an addict gambler does not mean you should turn yourself to a babysitter, most especially in a case where the addict him or her self isn't even a baby.

Don't get me wrong though, its not a bad thing to try to help, after all the biblical law commands us to be our brother's keeper, but then, you can only help someone who is willing and in need of help, else your effort will just be wasted one, and if not careful, you might even end up becoming an enemy to the said or supposed friend, this opinion of mine is based on personal experience though.

I think what a gambling addict needs is genuine attention so that he knows that there are still people who try to be kind and care about him. Gradually, this will open his heart to accept the person, and with this gentle approach, the gambling addict can start to open up. After all, there's nothing wrong with trying to pay attention to a gambling addict, especially if we know them well and we think they really need our help.

We all have a different approach in terms of showing our care to a certain individual who already suffering from heavy gambling addiction, some can continue to still being patient while others are just voice it out and do nothing, I guess in terms of help if the person is really dear to us we needed to extend our understanding in hope that with such genuine efforts we will be able to let them realize that they needed to stop and quit with what they already addicted with.

Things that really needed to address in order to stop that problem which already exists inside their mindset, an unbalance way of
gambling always ending up with lots of consequences.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 21, 2023, 01:24:27 PM

Quote from: tusandii on July 21, 2023, 12:57:01 AM

It all depends on the basis and experience of each person, whether they are more knowledgeable in trading or gambling.
Both are equally at risk but in trading the risk can be more limited because we can see price statistics when to sell and when to buy and the losses are not in total, in contrast to gambling where we risk a certain amount of money on luck to win whereas when we lose all the money we have at stake will be lost.
I am someone who loves to trade crypto and also likes to gamble for fun so have a decent understanding of both.

Of course it is so. But if we talking about some common experience - trading needs more special knowledge. You have to know a lot for trading but in gambling you can start fast for casino games the rules are really simple.
And i can`t say that in trading your risks are lower than in gambling. Using money management you can control you budget. I try to lose small sums both but i can`t say that trading has less risks than gambling.

Trading does require more general experience in analyzing and also determining the right position to buy or sell but experience from trading is very useful for everyday life too because we can be more focused, consistent and also patient.
Moreover, in trading there is no risk of addiction and it is different from gambling which has long-term effects of gambling addiction where addiction is very dangerous for anyone who experiences it.
If think that gambling is riskier in all forms of risk, but that is a choice, so no one can forbid it.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 21, 2023, 10:29:47 AM

Look mate, there is a saying in my place that 'he who is not ready to save himself, nobody can save that person, no matter how hard they try', being a friend to an addict gambler does not mean you should turn yourself to a babysitter, most especially in a case where the addict him or her self isn't even a baby.

Don't get me wrong though, its not a bad thing to try to help, after all the biblical law commands us to be our brother's keeper, but then, you can only help someone who is willing and in need of help, else your effort will just be wasted one, and if not careful, you might even end up becoming an enemy to the said or supposed friend, this opinion of mine is based on personal experience though.

I think what a gambling addict needs is genuine attention so that he knows that there are still people who try to be kind and care about him. Gradually, this will open his heart to accept the person, and with this gentle approach, the gambling addict can start to open up. After all, there's nothing wrong with trying to pay attention to a gambling addict, especially if we know them well and we think they really need our help.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on July 21, 2023, 01:43:58 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on July 20, 2023, 07:23:32 PM

To quit gambling is not easy when you have played gambling and lose or gain in gambling you may be likely to play gambling because you want to make it with gambling, so only the zeal alone will make you to think that gambling is make you to be rich and you will need to recover all the money you have spent in gambling, so I believe that gambling is something I know that you started it, it will be very difficult before you can quit from it, except you have transferred to the place you are to another place and the will be no access to Internet for some period of time and mainly a six months without Internet and constant observations

Even if someone is transferred to a place where they are restricted from using the internet, as soon as they return to their place, they will definitely start gambling again. In order for one to stop something that they are addicted to, they must first have the willingness to stop it; otherwise, it can't be stopped. Just like you said that it's difficult to stop gambling, yea, but that's mostly for those who are very compulsive gamblers, and it's very unethical for one to allow themselves to get so addicted to something that takes control over them instead of the opposite. I think that one of the first steps to stopping gambling is to have the willingness to stop it.

Even though there's no internet included there's gambling already those are the form of offline gambling like betting game casually with your friends or a particular place, they keep gambling in table top games, casual games like billiards or even fighting events there's always a betting the only need to do is to change the environment you are coming with those are the most influential to your part, this could serve as a treatment to your self to preventing playing gambling reason why control yourself too.

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