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Quote from: Slow death on July 21, 2023, 06:42:03 PM

One of the things I have observed on this street of mine is that when people go to bars to play slots or other gambling they have there, they go in groups, I believe it is to chat while they play, and most of the time this movement always ends in fights and fights. they probably fight because when someone is losing a lot, the others are laughing at him, so the guy who is losing a lot gets irritated and ends up fighting with the others, so I keep asking myself the following: if every time they go in a group to play and they fight, then why doesn't each of them play alone?

I keep asking myself about this every day because every day they make noise with their fights, but every day even fighting and fighting between them, none of them will play alone, it makes me think that they all don't like solitude, so they need each other to keep each other company, and I particularly consider that they have already reached the level of being considered addicted people, ´because they are playing every day, they spend every day in the bar drinking and playing, even when there is a storm the guys are there in the bar making noise

As the saying goes "2 is better than one". Maybe when they join the group it helps with their thoughts, maybe they get stronger because they know they are not alone, and maybe at this point they think that no one will be left behind and they will help each other- that's how it gets old in my understanding. or maybe he is complacent so he always joins such a group.
but like you said, if he doesn't want to get involved in the trouble, he can simply stay away or avoid it.

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One of the things I have observed on this street of mine is that when people go to bars to play slots or other gambling they have there, they go in groups, I believe it is to chat while they play, and most of the time this movement always ends in fights and fights. they probably fight because when someone is losing a lot, the others are laughing at him, so the guy who is losing a lot gets irritated and ends up fighting with the others, so I keep asking myself the following: if every time they go in a group to play and they fight, then why doesn't each of them play alone?

I keep asking myself about this every day because every day they make noise with their fights, but every day even fighting and fighting between them, none of them will play alone, it makes me think that they all don't like solitude, so they need each other to keep each other company, and I particularly consider that they have already reached the level of being considered addicted people, ´because they are playing every day, they spend every day in the bar drinking and playing, even when there is a storm the guys are there in the bar making noise

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Quote from: kk5526682 on July 03, 2023, 07:18:54 AM

Boys. It is time to quit gamble. I created a topic about taking gambling as a major income or not and fought a lot of kind people who held an opposite point. I own them a truly apology. I am sorry. No matter who you are, gambling is only for fun. Never take it as income at anytime. If you are still gambling, you should quit now. If you cannot quit by yourself, there are so many channels to help you. Even you can talk to me. I will do my best to help you.

Just some chemical reaction happened in my mind today, I get the point at that moment. Gambling for income is totally wrong and toxic for spirit and body. You will never be successful in that way. But I like gamble is still the fact and it will never change if doing nothing. So, why not open a stream and show it to all people who have interest on that. Let me prove how hard or easy to quit gamble. I will only gamble the affordable fund only. Maybe less. I am streaming 24/7. If some software problems disrupt, I will fix that except sleeping time.

Quit gambling now!

If you decide to quit gamble or take gamble as entertainment only, welcome to join me.

I hate gamble!

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Boys. You can't imagine how relax I am when decide to quit gamble. Here is the way. I will stream all my gambling behavior with recording. No stream No gamble. If you are going through the same situation, join me. You will obtain a new life.

According to Kick you haven't stream since 13 days now, does this mean you haven't gamble one single time during 2 weeks ? It would be a great achievement for someone being addicted like you to be honest. I am not a great user of Kick but I like watching several streamers on Twitch, so I was happy to be able to watch a Bitcointalk user streaming now. Unfortunately or gladly maybe, you seem to be able to resist to the gambling temptation.
Do you use some drugs for that purpose btw ? I hope you will share your tricks once you've succeeded.

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Quote from: seleme on July 21, 2023, 04:38:04 PM

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 11:02:18 AM

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays. A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

If it like that, the only way is when after a gambling addict or an ordinary gambler who has finished going through rehabilitation but still has thought of gambling, it better to exile or move to another city far from the gambling industry or in other ways such as giving a job or any activity that can divert his mind to get used to not thinking about gambling.
But even if the gambler has self-awareness to heal himself there should be someone who really cares about helping that person to stop gambling permanently.

Exactly, changing your phone to an old phone without smart functions and moving to other locations may help to quit gambling. The best method is to look for professional help and get the right treatment during this process. Friends and close relatives will take care of the addicted gambler for a short time but professional help from a psychologist is the right choice from my point of view.

Another thing is when a gambler want to quit in gambling then he must be help himself and also what like you said above mate I think it will be advisable it because changing your phone from android to an old model is so helpful because of the reason you use your phone for call and text only and not for gamble. Also it will help to a n addict that he will live in the province quit place he can do more activities such us hunting animals and fishing.

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Quote from: klidex on July 21, 2023, 01:58:02 PM

Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 11:02:18 AM

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays. A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

If it like that, the only way is when after a gambling addict or an ordinary gambler who has finished going through rehabilitation but still has thought of gambling, it better to exile or move to another city far from the gambling industry or in other ways such as giving a job or any activity that can divert his mind to get used to not thinking about gambling.
But even if the gambler has self-awareness to heal himself there should be someone who really cares about helping that person to stop gambling permanently.

Exactly, changing your phone to an old phone without smart functions and moving to other locations may help to quit gambling. The best method is to look for professional help and get the right treatment during this process. Friends and close relatives will take care of the addicted gambler for a short time but professional help from a psychologist is the right choice from my point of view.

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Quote from: klidex on July 21, 2023, 01:58:02 PM

Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 11:02:18 AM

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays. A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

If it like that, the only way is when after a gambling addict or an ordinary gambler who has finished going through rehabilitation but still has thought of gambling, it better to exile or move to another city far from the gambling industry or in other ways such as giving a job or any activity that can divert his mind to get used to not thinking about gambling.
But even if the gambler has self-awareness to heal himself there should be someone who really cares about helping that person to stop gambling permanently.

We must not wait until a gambling addict discovered that they are addicted and wants solution before we help them. Most of the addicts are not aware that they are addicted and if you wait until they realise that they are addicted it might never happen. So it is important that when you discover that someone has been addicted you find a way to talk to them. But if your efforts fail you can compel them to rehabilitation
When they live a new life in the rehab centre, they would then understand that the life they we are leaving before rehabilitation was a wasteful and addictive life.

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 21, 2023, 11:02:18 AM

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays. A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

If it like that, the only way is when after a gambling addict or an ordinary gambler who has finished going through rehabilitation but still has thought of gambling, it better to exile or move to another city far from the gambling industry or in other ways such as giving a job or any activity that can divert his mind to get used to not thinking about gambling.
But even if the gambler has self-awareness to heal himself there should be someone who really cares about helping that person to stop gambling permanently.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on July 20, 2023, 06:23:32 PM

To quit gambling is not easy when you have played gambling and lose or gain in gambling you may be likely to play gambling because you want to make it with gambling, so only the zeal alone will make you to think that gambling is make you to be rich and you will need to recover all the money you have spent in gambling, so I believe that gambling is something I know that you started it, it will be very difficult before you can quit from it, except you have transferred to the place you are to another place and the will be no access to Internet for some period of time and mainly a six months without Internet and constant observations

Even if someone is transferred to a place where they are restricted from using the internet, as soon as they return to their place, they will definitely start gambling again. In order for one to stop something that they are addicted to, they must first have the willingness to stop it; otherwise, it can't be stopped. Just like you said that it's difficult to stop gambling, yea, but that's mostly for those who are very compulsive gamblers, and it's very unethical for one to allow themselves to get so addicted to something that takes control over them instead of the opposite. I think that one of the first steps to stopping gambling is to have the willingness to stop it.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 20, 2023, 11:57:01 PM

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Quote from: Reatim on July 19, 2023, 10:52:30 PM

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When talking about more opportunities to make money, I would say that it is better to choose trading or investing than gambling, but here it is not a matter of how much profit we can get, but the pleasure and satisfaction that we get when gambling so that addiction is more difficult to stop when a gambler can enjoy these two things.
Gambling has the risks of trading and investing also has risks, but on the other hand, gambling provides its own pleasure and satisfaction that we cannot possibly get from trading or investing, so there are no words to waste money as long as we have what we have.
And from this pleasure and satisfaction, it can be very difficult for someone to stop gambling.

In both ways you get positive emotions when win(get profit) and negative when lose(money). In both situations we risk money and play the game. I think that difference between gambling and trading is in the difficulty. When we read the rules for some casino game - it is easy to understand. When you begin trading and try to understand when buy and when sell - it is really difficult to understand fast.

It all depends on the basis and experience of each person, whether they are more knowledgeable in trading or gambling.
Both are equally at risk but in trading the risk can be more limited because we can see price statistics when to sell and when to buy and the losses are not in total, in contrast to gambling where we risk a certain amount of money on luck to win whereas when we lose all the money we have at stake will be lost.
I am someone who loves to trade crypto and also likes to gamble for fun so have a decent understanding of both.

Of course it is so. But if we talking about some common experience - trading needs more special knowledge. You have to know a lot for trading but in gambling you can start fast for casino games the rules are really simple.
And i can`t say that in trading your risks are lower than in gambling. Using money management you can control you budget. I try to lose small sums both but i can`t say that trading has less risks than gambling.

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Quote from: sompitonov on July 20, 2023, 05:25:36 AM

In most cases, if someone notices that a person is starting to sink into addiction and tries to help him, this will have little chance of success. Because you won't be able to be with this person 24/7, and in any case, he will find an opportunity to run away or hide it from you.

Unfortunately, usually a game addict will only ask for help at the very last moment, when he is at the bottom. But there are even difficult cases when, having lost everything, they don't admit it openly. This ends very sadly for them.

Even though the chance looks small, that person should still try it, especially if the gambling addict is his best friend. No one wants to see their best friend sink into gambling and become a heavy gambling addict and they will try to save him before something worse happens to his best friend.

And if he can't be with the gambling addict 24/7, he can ask people close to the gambling addict to keep an eye on him and let him know if anything happens. But indeed, the assistance can often be too late, especially if these people cannot be with them every day and every time.

Look mate, there is a saying in my place that 'he who is not ready to save himself, nobody can save that person, no matter how hard they try', being a friend to an addict gambler does not mean you should turn yourself to a babysitter, most especially in a case where the addict him or her self isn't even a baby.

Don't get me wrong though, its not a bad thing to try to help, after all the biblical law commands us to be our brother's keeper, but then, you can only help someone who is willing and in need of help, else your effort will just be wasted one, and if not careful, you might even end up becoming an enemy to the said or supposed friend, this opinion of mine is based on personal experience though.

Well that's true. It's like forcing someone that isn't willing to change to a rehab center and doing the same thing after getting out of a rehab. It's just wasting resources, money and effort on someone that no plan in doing the right thing for himself. It's hard to help gambling addicts if they aren't willing to help themselves knowing how easy it is for them to access casino nowadays. A gambling addict that has a resolve to change even without any help is much better than a person who has all the help but isn't willing to change at all.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 21, 2023, 09:16:30 AM

Quote from: sompitonov on July 20, 2023, 05:25:36 AM

In most cases, if someone notices that a person is starting to sink into addiction and tries to help him, this will have little chance of success. Because you won't be able to be with this person 24/7, and in any case, he will find an opportunity to run away or hide it from you.

Unfortunately, usually a game addict will only ask for help at the very last moment, when he is at the bottom. But there are even difficult cases when, having lost everything, they don't admit it openly. This ends very sadly for them.

Even though the chance looks small, that person should still try it, especially if the gambling addict is his best friend. No one wants to see their best friend sink into gambling and become a heavy gambling addict and they will try to save him before something worse happens to his best friend.

And if he can't be with the gambling addict 24/7, he can ask people close to the gambling addict to keep an eye on him and let him know if anything happens. But indeed, the assistance can often be too late, especially if these people cannot be with them every day and every time.

Look mate, there is a saying in my place that 'he who is not ready to save himself, nobody can save that person, no matter how hard they try', being a friend to an addict gambler does not mean you should turn yourself to a babysitter, most especially in a case where the addict him or her self isn't even a baby.

Don't get me wrong though, its not a bad thing to try to help, after all the biblical law commands us to be our brother's keeper, but then, you can only help someone who is willing and in need of help, else your effort will just be wasted one, and if not careful, you might even end up becoming an enemy to the said or supposed friend, this opinion of mine is based on personal experience though.

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Quote from: sompitonov on July 20, 2023, 05:25:36 AM

In most cases, if someone notices that a person is starting to sink into addiction and tries to help him, this will have little chance of success. Because you won't be able to be with this person 24/7, and in any case, he will find an opportunity to run away or hide it from you.

Unfortunately, usually a game addict will only ask for help at the very last moment, when he is at the bottom. But there are even difficult cases when, having lost everything, they don't admit it openly. This ends very sadly for them.

Even though the chance looks small, that person should still try it, especially if the gambling addict is his best friend. No one wants to see their best friend sink into gambling and become a heavy gambling addict and they will try to save him before something worse happens to his best friend.

And if he can't be with the gambling addict 24/7, he can ask people close to the gambling addict to keep an eye on him and let him know if anything happens. But indeed, the assistance can often be too late, especially if these people cannot be with them every day and every time.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 20, 2023, 06:11:17 AM

Quote from: tusandii on July 20, 2023, 01:56:05 AM

Quote from: Reatim on July 19, 2023, 10:52:30 PM

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When talking about more opportunities to make money, I would say that it is better to choose trading or investing than gambling, but here it is not a matter of how much profit we can get, but the pleasure and satisfaction that we get when gambling so that addiction is more difficult to stop when a gambler can enjoy these two things.
Gambling has the risks of trading and investing also has risks, but on the other hand, gambling provides its own pleasure and satisfaction that we cannot possibly get from trading or investing, so there are no words to waste money as long as we have what we have.
And from this pleasure and satisfaction, it can be very difficult for someone to stop gambling.

In both ways you get positive emotions when win(get profit) and negative when lose(money). In both situations we risk money and play the game. I think that difference between gambling and trading is in the difficulty. When we read the rules for some casino game - it is easy to understand. When you begin trading and try to understand when buy and when sell - it is really difficult to understand fast.

It all depends on the basis and experience of each person, whether they are more knowledgeable in trading or gambling.
Both are equally at risk but in trading the risk can be more limited because we can see price statistics when to sell and when to buy and the losses are not in total, in contrast to gambling where we risk a certain amount of money on luck to win whereas when we lose all the money we have at stake will be lost.
I am someone who loves to trade crypto and also likes to gamble for fun so have a decent understanding of both.

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To quit gambling is not easy when you have played gambling and lose or gain in gambling you may be likely to play gambling because you want to make it with gambling, so only the zeal alone will make you to think that gambling is make you to be rich and you will need to recover all the money you have spent in gambling, so I believe that gambling is something I know that you started it, it will be very difficult before you can quit from it, except you have transferred to the place you are to another place and the will be no access to Internet for some period of time and mainly a six months without Internet and constant observations

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 20, 2023, 06:11:50 PM

Exactly. It all comes down to the question of just how deep you are in gambling already. Much like anything we get addicted to, we will have relapse and quitting will be harder as compared to those who are only doing gambling in an adequate amount.

however, those who are addicted to gambling must have a really serious intention to get out. those who do get out of gambling usually because they have already lost too much and have even lost some of their assets to the point where there is nothing left for them to bet on. different indeed for those who have just entered and understand the bad situation that will occur. it may still be easy for beginners to get out without great effort.
it is possible for gamblers to relapse into gambling when they are not aware that what is spending their money is gambling. so when they come back for the money they will come back.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on July 03, 2023, 09:39:39 AM

When you are a gambling addict, your type and personality, your family and friends have been affected by gambling addiction, it is quite difficult to get rid of it.
It will be a long process before you can overcome it for sure, and the support of your own families and close friends is what you need to overcome that vice. Because you need to rehab yourself when that's the case, but if you're not at the level of being an addict, it's easy to get out of there for sure.

Exactly. It all comes down to the question of just how deep you are in gambling already. Much like anything we get addicted to, we will have relapse and quitting will be harder as compared to those who are only doing gambling in an adequate amount.

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For those doing it for fun or entertainment they mightn't find it easy to quit as well because when they get addicted they will have similar behavior like those playing for money. They won't want to quit even when they're not making profits. Addiction is very hard behavior to quit.

You have a good point as if it's already turn into addiction so it's no longer just for fun or entertainment but most with a desire to continue playing and control is no longer from that person itself, and it's very possible as you said, when you already engage and you are unable to control yourself then it will be too difficult to quit.

Yes I have seen people that started gambling just for fun and entertainment but as time went by they became addicted that they can't stop gambling even when they're not making money from gambling. They just do it to fulfill a desire in their life because of how sorrowful it is.

Some gamblers gamble because it make them escape reality. The fact is that people are passing through alot in life that if they decide to tell you, you won't blame them for the decision they're making. Bars get filled always it's because people are use drinking to ease their pains.

People use gambling as a solution to their pains, when they win that's the only happiness they get in life and always want to play more so they win and get more happiness then it becomes a habit and they keep playing which ends them getting addicted and hard to quit.

Gambling is supposed to be our source of fun and entertainment as that's what it was created for but there are people who made it a hobby where they are already doing it excessively and without limitations. If we are doing it beyond normal or if we are already being controlled by our urges then we might be falling for gambling addiction which makes us hard to quit or stop.
It will never be hard to quit if we're wise enough to handle gambling and we're disciplined to control ourselves. It's fne to rely on it if we seek fun and entertainment but we shouldn't go beyond our limits.

That's a good keyword a disciplined attack when playing is the right thing to do, always in control to whatever extent, either you are winning or losing or maybe you are only looking for some fun as long as the discipline inside you still controllable your chance of quitting easily is not going to be a problem.

Always depending on how you control that emotion and keep that discipline to make sure that you are following the set limitations
that you setup before you gamble.

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Quote from: Reatim on July 19, 2023, 10:52:30 PM

wrong in that part , because all the vices you mentioned are completely to spend money but in gambling there is a chance to gain more though it is smaller percent yet there is far different than those others so addiction in gambling is harder to achieve .
and also you are correct that those are all leading to same thing and that is to lose our life if not managed correctly .

When talking about more opportunities to make money, I would say that it is better to choose trading or investing than gambling, but here it is not a matter of how much profit we can get, but the pleasure and satisfaction that we get when gambling so that addiction is more difficult to stop when a gambler can enjoy these two things.
Gambling has the risks of trading and investing also has risks, but on the other hand, gambling provides its own pleasure and satisfaction that we cannot possibly get from trading or investing, so there are no words to waste money as long as we have what we have.
And from this pleasure and satisfaction, it can be very difficult for someone to stop gambling.

In both ways you get positive emotions when win(get profit) and negative when lose(money). In both situations we risk money and play the game. I think that difference between gambling and trading is in the difficulty. When we read the rules for some casino game - it is easy to understand. When you begin trading and try to understand when buy and when sell - it is really difficult to understand fast.

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Quote from: danadc on July 19, 2023, 03:24:36 PM

All vices are harmful, you could compare gambling with smoking, with alcohol, with whatever, but as long as you know that things are not good when they are done in excess, because when we look at vices, they are all harmful, but no vice is like that of drugs, it is the worst because it destroys the person, and anything else that one can be addicted to, I have seen that in the threads they talk about addiction to games and it can be something counterproductive when compared to other things, such as smoking, drinking alcohol, because everything leads to the same thing, they do not know how to control it and that is the only way to get addicted, that is why you must always have control of everything so that we do not harm ourselves.

wrong in that part , because all the vices you mentioned are completely to spend money but in gambling there is a chance to gain more though it is smaller percent yet there is far different than those others so addiction in gambling is harder to achieve .
and also you are correct that those are all leading to same thing and that is to lose our life if not managed correctly .

And it's better if they don't waste money so they don't get addicted to gambling, especially if they have seen what impact someone can experience when they become a gambling addict. They cannot stop gambling because it is so hard for them that they will continue to sink into gambling until someone notices it and wants to help them get out of gambling. But that is also if they are aware to ask for help from others so they can be saved. So stopping gambling or continuing to gamble is a choice of our own.

In most cases, if someone notices that a person is starting to sink into addiction and tries to help him, this will have little chance of success. Because you won't be able to be with this person 24/7, and in any case, he will find an opportunity to run away or hide it from you.

Unfortunately, usually a game addict will only ask for help at the very last moment, when he is at the bottom. But there are even difficult cases when, having lost everything, they don't admit it openly. This ends very sadly for them.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on July 03, 2023, 07:18:54 AM

Boys. It is time to quit gamble. I created a topic about taking gambling as a major income or not and fought a lot of kind people who held an opposite point. I own them a truly apology. I am sorry. No matter who you are, gambling is only for fun. Never take it as income at anytime. If you are still gambling, you should quit now. If you cannot quit by yourself, there are so many channels to help you. Even you can talk to me. I will do my best to help you.

Just some chemical reaction happened in my mind today, I get the point at that moment. Gambling for income is totally wrong and toxic for spirit and body. You will never be successful in that way. But I like gamble is still the fact and it will never change if doing nothing. So, why not open a stream and show it to all people who have interest on that. Let me prove how hard or easy to quit gamble. I will only gamble the affordable fund only. Maybe less. I am streaming 24/7. If some software problems disrupt, I will fix that except sleeping time.

Quit gambling now!

If you decide to quit gamble or take gamble as entertainment only, welcome to join me.

I hate gamble!

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Boys. You can't imagine how relax I am when decide to quit gamble. Here is the way. I will stream all my gambling behavior with recording. No stream No gamble. If you are going through the same situation, join me. You will obtain a new life.

You're quite within your right to tender Your views on gambling, but outrightly calling it bad and telling everyone to quit it is kinda far reaching. I Know a couple of persons that have built a fortune through gambling and also those who became wretched through same gambling. The best approach is for everyone to know what works for them and also moderation is key.
Gambling is quite addictive because of the dopamine rush it creates. But that doesn't make it bad in itself, it's basically how people are irresponsible with gambling that's the bad part.

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