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Quote from: Unbunplease on July 16, 2023, 01:47:44 PM

Quote from: Juse14 on July 16, 2023, 12:52:31 PM

It is undeniable that it is very difficult to persuade someone who is heavily addicted to gambling so that they can get out of that zone. And we can only invite and cannot force someone to leave the zone because that is their right. But it needs to be underlined, indeed gambling is their right, want it from morning to morning again and spending millions playing gambling is their right. But behind it all, don't just fulfill your rights but forget your obligations. For example; your obligation as the head of the family to guide and support. Because it's true as you said @LDL that gambling cannot be made into a profession.

Gambling addiction is a very complex problem. Cost control is mandatory, but the desire to win back and the certainty that a little more and you will hit the jackpot, very much interfere with the mind. Therefore, there should be an automatic control of costs, as well as a ban on taking credits. A player in the excitement completely forgets about all his responsibilities

Simple but effective truth, I have mentioned on one of my comments in another thread this minds trick, which is, your mind telling you to keep playing, that you are close to winning the jackpot, at the end of the day, it's all a minds trick.

This is something that affect both old and new players, I my self till today still experience such, it take good self discipline to not always end up with an empty bankroll anytime such thoughts start playing in our heads while gambling.

But anyways, those who understand that gambling is all about just having fun, that the ability to make some money in the process is just an added bonus which not everyone will partake of, such persons will always have peace of mind all through their gambling journey, even if they had to empty their bankroll many times.

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Quote from: Juse14 on July 16, 2023, 12:52:31 PM

It is undeniable that it is very difficult to persuade someone who is heavily addicted to gambling so that they can get out of that zone. And we can only invite and cannot force someone to leave the zone because that is their right. But it needs to be underlined, indeed gambling is their right, want it from morning to morning again and spending millions playing gambling is their right. But behind it all, don't just fulfill your rights but forget your obligations. For example; your obligation as the head of the family to guide and support. Because it's true as you said @LDL that gambling cannot be made into a profession.

Gambling addiction is a very complex problem. Cost control is mandatory, but the desire to win back and the certainty that a little more and you will hit the jackpot, very much interfere with the mind. Therefore, there should be an automatic control of costs, as well as a ban on taking credits. A player in the excitement completely forgets about all his responsibilities

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Quote from: Juse14 on July 15, 2023, 11:52:14 AM

For me personally, breaking away from gambling is rather difficult, moreover, I get pleasure from it by achieving several wins, coupled with online gambling notifications that always appear on my cellphone, making it increasingly difficult for me to stop playing gambling.

I think gambling addiction is not so bad if we can control the addiction. Because gambling can be bad and harm you when you can't control yourself, playing without thinking about strategy and playing without controlling your finances will only lead you to misery.

If all addictions depend on the ability to control them, then they should not be called bad addictions at all. Gambling is not a bad addiction for many people who are addicted to gambling and have the ability to control it. There are many people who become addicted to gambling and harm many socially and he becomes addicted to gambling in such a way that it becomes one of the causes of turmoil in his family. In this case, it becomes very difficult to control the gambler and bring him out of gambling addiction. However, gambling cannot be a bad profession if it does not have bad social effects.

It is undeniable that it is very difficult to persuade someone who is heavily addicted to gambling so that they can get out of that zone. And we can only invite and cannot force someone to leave the zone because that is their right. But it needs to be underlined, indeed gambling is their right, want it from morning to morning again and spending millions playing gambling is their right. But behind it all, don't just fulfill your rights but forget your obligations. For example; your obligation as the head of the family to guide and support. Because it's true as you said @LDL that gambling cannot be made into a profession.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 16, 2023, 09:44:35 AM

Quote from: btc78 on July 16, 2023, 01:49:33 AM

i missed OP , after weeks of activities and creating questionable threads? now hes gone and seemingly to understand his mistakes .

There’s nothing to be missed on the OP, Also who knows if he really gone or he will just use different account to start again since his old account is just a newbie. I believe his goal on creating questionable topic is already clear now when he created his ponzi scheme program. He planned everything to catch attention here and hoping someone will believe on his dumb attept to scam user here with his ponzi that has very expensive fees.

Don’t be surprised if another mewbie do this same patetrn of scam attempt in the future.

This pattern of fraud has been around for a long time and it seems that Op will always replace it with another newbie account and commit fraud with another pattern.
But what's worse when a Newbie enters the forums looking for gambling finds threads like this could fall into the Op's trap.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 16, 2023, 09:44:35 AM

Quote from: btc78 on July 16, 2023, 01:49:33 AM

i missed OP , after weeks of activities and creating questionable threads? now hes gone and seemingly to understand his mistakes .

There’s nothing to be missed on the OP, Also who knows if he really gone or he will just use different account to start again since his old account is just a newbie. I believe his goal on creating questionable topic is already clear now when he created his ponzi scheme program. He planned everything to catch attention here and hoping someone will believe on his dumb attept to scam user here with his ponzi that has very expensive fees.

Don’t be surprised if another mewbie do this same patetrn of scam attempt in the future.

They are just doing it with newbie account because they know even if any action is taken against them they will do the same work with another account and start these new scam attempts to attract new victims.If we trust them blindly then it's completely our mistake as we should do all the research first of all.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 16, 2023, 09:44:35 AM

Quote from: btc78 on July 16, 2023, 01:49:33 AM

i missed OP , after weeks of activities and creating questionable threads? now hes gone and seemingly to understand his mistakes .

There’s nothing to be missed on the OP, Also who knows if he really gone or he will just use different account to start again since his old account is just a newbie. I believe his goal on creating questionable topic is already clear now when he created his ponzi scheme program. He planned everything to catch attention here and hoping someone will believe on his dumb attept to scam user here with his ponzi that has very expensive fees.

Don’t be surprised if another mewbie do this same patetrn of scam attempt in the future.

Yes, it is a mode that will definitely be done, no matter what. Now unfortunately there are many who are aware of things like this, especially in this space is a lot of very experienced people will refute everything that smells of fraud and it is very good to help beginners who do not know anything to understand and ultimately avoid all the scams that will be carried out by irresponsible people.

I am very happy when I see many people helping each other, especially eradicating all the modes of fraud that we now encounter. And sadly they will not care who they will deceive.
We should not give full trust, even though it may be someone we know.

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Quote from: btc78 on July 16, 2023, 01:49:33 AM

i missed OP , after weeks of activities and creating questionable threads? now hes gone and seemingly to understand his mistakes .

There’s nothing to be missed on the OP, Also who knows if he really gone or he will just use different account to start again since his old account is just a newbie. I believe his goal on creating questionable topic is already clear now when he created his ponzi scheme program. He planned everything to catch attention here and hoping someone will believe on his dumb attept to scam user here with his ponzi that has very expensive fees.

Don’t be surprised if another mewbie do this same patetrn of scam attempt in the future.

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Quote from: MAAManda on July 15, 2023, 11:26:37 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 15, 2023, 07:15:26 PM

Like I said in one of my previous comment, not sure if it's one this thread, but I did say that gambling addiction is of many stages, the stage at which the gamblers addiction is, will very much determine or play the role of how easy or hard it can be to quit gambling and free one self from that addiction..

Quiting gambling after being tormented by addiction all start by strong self will to stop, then the level of stage of addiction will tell if strong self will is able to carry the gambler and keep him or her away from gambling, or will require the help of a relation or relative, or maybe a professional medical personnel for a medical help.

Can you attach any articles I can read about addiction consisting of many stages?

So, whatever the gambling problem is, no matter how deeply a gambler loses and becomes a problem gambler who is addicted, the solution is still same, there's no difference.

Maybe you can read this article:

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https://americanaddictioncenters.org/the-addiction-cycle

There explained the stages of addiction but I do not know which article is meant.
I know that addiction has signs, stages, phases or whatever it's called, and if we are already in a certain sign/stage/phase, we may already be addicted.
And I agree with you that the solution will remain the same: to try to realize the gambling addiction, have a strong desire to change, and so on.
Without having it all, it will be difficult for someone to cure his gambling addiction.

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i missed OP , after weeks of activities and creating questionable threads? now hes gone and seemingly to understand his mistakes .

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 15, 2023, 07:15:26 PM

Like I said in one of my previous comment, not sure if it's one this thread, but I did say that gambling addiction is of many stages, the stage at which the gamblers addiction is, will very much determine or play the role of how easy or hard it can be to quit gambling and free one self from that addiction..

Quiting gambling after being tormented by addiction all start by strong self will to stop, then the level of stage of addiction will tell if strong self will is able to carry the gambler and keep him or her away from gambling, or will require the help of a relation or relative, or maybe a professional medical personnel for a medical help.

Can you attach any articles I can read about addiction consisting of many stages? Because AFAIK, problem gambling has its own phases, not stages. Here are the phases:

- Winning phase
- Losing phase
- Desperation phase
- Hopeless phase

Source: https://psychcentral.com/addictions/four-phases-and-steps-of-gambling-addiction#phases-of-gambling-addiction

So, whatever the gambling problem is, no matter how deeply a gambler loses and becomes a problem gambler who is addicted, the solution is still same, there's no difference.

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Quote from: Juse14 on July 15, 2023, 11:52:14 AM

For me personally, breaking away from gambling is rather difficult, moreover, I get pleasure from it by achieving several wins, coupled with online gambling notifications that always appear on my cellphone, making it increasingly difficult for me to stop playing gambling.

I think gambling addiction is not so bad if we can control the addiction. Because gambling can be bad and harm you when you can't control yourself, playing without thinking about strategy and playing without controlling your finances will only lead you to misery.

If all addictions depend on the ability to control them, then they should not be called bad addictions at all. Gambling is not a bad addiction for many people who are addicted to gambling and have the ability to control it. There are many people who become addicted to gambling and harm many socially and he becomes addicted to gambling in such a way that it becomes one of the causes of turmoil in his family. In this case, it becomes very difficult to control the gambler and bring him out of gambling addiction. However, gambling cannot be a bad profession if it does not have bad social effects.

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Quote from: MAAManda on July 14, 2023, 11:22:39 AM

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Quote from: MAAManda on July 13, 2023, 08:57:59 AM

You are right, gambling addiction is a very serious problem for many people, one of the main factors is the desire to make a profit, and also the desire to get back money from losses, and unfortunately, almost all gamblers can't recover their losses.

Regarding how to stop gambling, I think it's very difficult to do alone, you need encouragement from friends or family, or the right choice is to ask for help at a service that provides services to stop gambling, here is one that I feel can be trusted : https://thegamblingclinic.com

Quitting in gambling needs more support to those people around the addict because if the addict alone he cannot leave gambling easily because it will needs more comfort and he needs people to understand with him and when every he goes he needs a buddy in order to successfully quit in gambling. Also by the help by himself of course because if he will not help himself then all the efforts by his family will be useless.

Help from people around is a real thing to help addicts get rid of addiction, like he can get encouragement to do other activities that can keep him busy, so he doesn't have time to play gambling, or at least reduce his intensity to play. Regarding your last statement, maybe what you mean is that the only way to stop gambling is comes from self-will, right?

Like I said in one of my previous comment, not sure if it's one this thread, but I did say that gambling addiction is of many stages, the stage at which the gamblers addiction is, will very much determine or play the role of how easy or hard it can be to quit gambling and free one self from that addiction..

Quiting gambling after being tormented by addiction all start by strong self will to stop, then the level of stage of addiction will tell if strong self will is able to carry the gambler and keep him or her away from gambling, or will require the help of a relation or relative, or maybe a professional medical personnel for a medical help.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on July 15, 2023, 04:04:50 AM

The guy wasn't able to control his urge to gamble and the family let him go abroad to work so that he earns money and use it all in gambling, that's a great solution indeed. They shouldn't have let him go until he was completely okay and has left gambling, he would obviously not be able to get rid of it when he is away from the family, living alone with no one around to even care about what he does and what he doesn't, he would definitely gamble in such a situation.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here! First, you said it's OK if his family let him go away then you said they shouldn't have done so because he will lack family support and he will continue gambling.
Maybe I interpreted your comment wrongly, anyway, in my onion, a gambling a gambling addict needs to stay close to his family and keep close contact with them. Your family/relatives will always support you and guide you to the right path, so, never lose contact with them.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 15, 2023, 08:56:15 AM

It's easy to say and its to do it, some people want to quitting gambling in some point they win already a large amount that copes all their losses and another is keep hoping that they will make a profit the same with the option one but does not as they wish but seems impossible to happen which is not always as happen. If you can stop playing gambling and have a control to your self that you wasted a lot of opportunities and assets and even life balance ideal to quit. But if you are a rich person have a good cash flow seems playing will be just a cents to you. All depends on the person and it's status.

i am interested in your sentence that i put in bold. have you never heard of a rich man falling into poverty overnight at the gambling table?

Becoming a gambling addict is a nightmare for many people. Those who are infected with the virus instantly turn into someone who doesn't care about anything, not even their family, their minds are filled with the ambition to win. It's not easy to cure gambling addicts, many cases happened. So before you turn into a gambling addict, you must first understand your real goal of gambling, if it's only to chase money then you make a big mistake, you will never win it, you should immediately stop or reduce the intensity of your gambling.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 15, 2023, 08:23:34 AM

First and foremost, I don’t see quitting gambling is reasonable if you are just an occasional gambler. As long as you can still manage your finances well and you have your own stable job to support your gambling activity, then gambling at your own risk is still valid enough. However, for those who are gambling using borrowed funds since they don’t have any spare money for gambling, then it’s a good advice to quit gambling for good. Otherwise, they’ll end up being homeless trying their luck again and again. But the problem is these kind of people find it hard to quit from gambling, especially if they are gambling to provide their family needs. Though the best advice is just to quit and find stable job to make ends meet, but you can’t just force people to quit gambling easily especially if they’re not completely convinced to leave gambling for good.

In terms of valid reasoning, if you can control yourself and you are just doing it to kill some time and you are capable of stopping any time then it's just an entertainment type of participation but if you are already in the point where you can't control yourself and you are always eager to play / gamble, chances that addiction is already present and the after effect are things that you don't expect that you might do.

Better to understand the risk behind gambling and if you can still avoid or control yourself, it's good for you to stay aware and never to
put your guards down, gambling is addicting,, so it's on you if how you will treat it and how you will go to control everything.

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Quote from: Juse14 on July 15, 2023, 11:52:14 AM

For me personally, breaking away from gambling is rather difficult, moreover, I get pleasure from it by achieving several wins, coupled with online gambling notifications that always appear on my cellphone, making it increasingly difficult for me to stop playing gambling.

I think gambling addiction is not so bad if we can control the addiction. Because gambling can be bad and harm you when you can't control yourself, playing without thinking about strategy and playing without controlling your finances will only lead you to misery.

If you can control your gambling habits, basically it’s not addiction. Gambling addiction is the ability to not able to control your desire in doing gambling. If you can control your self everytime, I personally think you are doing fine in gambling. Gambling is enjoyable of course and that’s why there are many people who likes to do gamble but I agree to your that the more pleasure you get from doing gambling is the harder it gets to stop playing.

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For me personally, breaking away from gambling is rather difficult, moreover, I get pleasure from it by achieving several wins, coupled with online gambling notifications that always appear on my cellphone, making it increasingly difficult for me to stop playing gambling.

I think gambling addiction is not so bad if we can control the addiction. Because gambling can be bad and harm you when you can't control yourself, playing without thinking about strategy and playing without controlling your finances will only lead you to misery.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 15, 2023, 08:39:44 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 15, 2023, 08:23:34 AM

First and foremost, I don’t see quitting gambling is reasonable if you are just an occasional gambler. As long as you can still manage your finances well and you have your own stable job to support your gambling activity, then gambling at your own risk is still valid enough. However, for those who are gambling using borrowed funds since they don’t have any spare money for gambling, then it’s a good advice to quit gambling for good. Otherwise, they’ll end up being homeless trying their luck again and again. But the problem is these kind of people find it hard to quit from gambling, especially if they are gambling to provide their family needs. Though the best advice is just to quit and find stable job to make ends meet, but you can’t just force people to quit gambling easily especially if they’re not completely convinced to leave gambling for good.

I think I have to agree with you, quiting gambling is very easy for those who are working, or have a business where they are generating income from, since it's understood that majority of those who are into gambling are doing so for the win/reward, so when a working class or a business owner quits gambling, he or she can easily fall back to their salary or profits from their business.

But for those who have nothing doing, and are into gambling, it is hard for them to quit gambling even when they really need to save themselves from rising debt, they hardly quit because if they do, there is nothing else to fall back on, morning, day and night, it's gambling on their mind since that has been acting as their only source of income..

So the best advice for such type of people is, if really it is certain that gambling is about destroying their life, then first is to look for a job, focus on that Job and leave gambling for a while, they can always come back when they are in a much better status financially.

Those who have established careers or enterprises have something to fall back on when they decide to stop gambling. The problem you highlight is the trap that jobless gamblers find themselves in. It's a vicious cycle: they gamble because they're unemployed, yet they can't find work because they can't afford to stop. Because of this, your suggestions are good. They need to prioritise securing employment. But the concept of "coming back to gambling" is beyond my comprehension. Even if a person's financial situation improves, it's usually not a smart idea for an addict to return. It's like asking an ex-drinker to go back to drinking because they're feeling better about themselves. It just doesn't work, you know what I mean?

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It's easy to say and its to do it, some people want to quitting gambling in some point they win already a large amount that copes all their losses and another is keep hoping that they will make a profit the same with the option one but does not as they wish but seems impossible to happen which is not always as happen. If you can stop playing gambling and have a control to your self that you wasted a lot of opportunities and assets and even life balance ideal to quit. But if you are a rich person have a good cash flow seems playing will be just a cents to you. All depends on the person and it's status.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 15, 2023, 08:23:34 AM

First and foremost, I don’t see quitting gambling is reasonable if you are just an occasional gambler. As long as you can still manage your finances well and you have your own stable job to support your gambling activity, then gambling at your own risk is still valid enough. However, for those who are gambling using borrowed funds since they don’t have any spare money for gambling, then it’s a good advice to quit gambling for good. Otherwise, they’ll end up being homeless trying their luck again and again. But the problem is these kind of people find it hard to quit from gambling, especially if they are gambling to provide their family needs. Though the best advice is just to quit and find stable job to make ends meet, but you can’t just force people to quit gambling easily especially if they’re not completely convinced to leave gambling for good.

I think I have to agree with you, quiting gambling is very easy for those who are working, or have a business where they are generating income from, since it's understood that majority of those who are into gambling are doing so for the win/reward, so when a working class or a business owner quits gambling, he or she can easily fall back to their salary or profits from their business.

But for those who have nothing doing, and are into gambling, it is hard for them to quit gambling even when they really need to save themselves from rising debt, they hardly quit because if they do, there is nothing else to fall back on, morning, day and night, it's gambling on their mind since that has been acting as their only source of income..

So the best advice for such type of people is, if really it is certain that gambling is about destroying their life, then first is to look for a job, focus on that Job and leave gambling for a while, they can always come back when they are in a much better status financially.

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