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And talking about ego, it is commonly said in African proverb that a stubborn fly follows a corpse to the grave, one who is addicted and knows it, and also knows it has passed a level where he can help himself, and knows he needs professional help, but because of ego, refuse to take that step to seeking help, such person so responsible for what ever befalls him at the end of the day..

There are some acts that are done by impulse and not because the person now understand what they are doing. A gambler may not even know he needs help when he becomes an addict to it, it comes to him as what he must do and so at such a stage, it is the neighbors, family etc that can identify the act and forcefully get help for him either by encouraging him or making it for him to gamble like taking the phone away, refusing to provide internet network if he can't subscribe data for himself. The external difficulties are what will discourage him but for him to complain, that may not happen.
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Easy maybe for those who are doing it just pure for fun and killing some time, but difficult/tough for those who already engage and believing that they can change a lifestyle if luck will back them up and win decently.

For those doing it for fun or entertainment they mightn't find it easy to quit as well because when they get addicted they will have similar behavior like those playing for money. They won't want to quit even when they're not making profits. Addiction is very hard behavior to quit.

The only time a gambler can quit gambling is when he isn't addicted, it doesn't matter if he's playing for the money or for entertainment, provided he isn't addicted, he can stop gambling at anytime. There are some things anybody wanting to quit gambling needs to know.

Since gambling was taking up most of their time, they need a new activity that'll replace gambling. If they find that hobby or activity, then they won't have free time to reconsider going back to gambling. The activity has to be as productive and demanding as gambling was.
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Boys. It is time to quit gamble. I created a topic about taking gambling as a major income or not and fought a lot of kind people who held an opposite point. I own them a truly apology. I am sorry. No matter who you are, gambling is only for fun. Never take it as income at anytime. If you are still gambling, you should quit now. If you cannot quit by yourself, there are so many channels to help you. Even you can talk to me. I will do my best to help you.

I hate gamble!


The fact that you hate gambling or have decided to quit, with some good reasons best known to you doesn't mean that you should discourage others about it or try using your experience to talk to them out of it, note that everyone won't make same mistakes like you do, and your focus should be on addicted gamblers and not all gamblers entirely because there are some people who apply risk management in gambling though it's not possible that you'll never experience loss in it but they make little losses and earn more, and I put it to you that you're wrong in saying people don't succeed in gambling cause there are also  punters who have become rich presently all thanks to gambling, what works for others might not work for you and if gambling doesn't work for you then you move on, and if for any reason you want to educate people with your experience I expect you to teach them the risk management in gambling like you've indirectly done, such as;
Gambling as a major source of income is wrong, seeing gamble as a form of entertainment, those are the kind of things you i expected of you to explain to gamblers about not discouraging them entirely about it thereby making people who gamble look silly, gambling is not bad but rather addictive gambling is, let's be guided please.
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Unfortunately, it really exists and that is the reality when it comes to gambling - many people lose control of themselves and got fall into addiction. 
There's the psychological effect of gambling and that makes us think that we're still in control but in reality, we've already lost our control. Thus, gamblers that are aware they're still in control, it's just a matter of few bets then they'll be tilted and going to have the mistake in their lives just like the others that are thinking of the same thing.

And you are right, many families got broken due to such issues and sometimes committed crimes. But still, we can stop gambling if we really wanted and committed to doing it, yet it will take time to heal and to finally forget gambling.
In my country, gambling is almost everywhere. I've got friends and families that have broken relationships because of their uncontrollable gambling addiction. They sell almost every stuff that they've got even if that's the only thing they own like their few appliances. They will only stop if they've been shouted that they're unlucky and they need to take a rest and nothing is left anymore.
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It was easy to say if we are not in that situation and that is what OP is trying to say.
Well, that is obviously wrong because if that is right, no people got into addiction. Unfortunately, it really exists and that is the reality when it comes to gambling - many people lose control of themselves and got fall into addiction.  And you are right, many families got broken due to such issues and sometimes committed crimes. But still, we can stop gambling if we really wanted and committed to doing it, yet it will take time to heal and to finally forget gambling.
There is nothing easy in Earthz even to make money is never easy. Gambling is what people do to make extra income for themselves and when we become addicted to it, it becomes very difficult for us to leave gambling since it gives us money especially for those that have earned thousands of dollars from it. Gambling addiction is something that is very hard for us to leave and it will take the effort of the gambler and the person that is trying to help. Those who are quitting gambling might be those that are really tired frim gambling especially when they are not making profits from it.
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If you decide to quit gamble or take gamble as entertainment only, welcome to join me.
I don't think that you have to quit gambling if you can take is as the entertainment purpose only. Because if you can do it I  think I think you aren't the addicted person.

Viewing gambling as form of entertainment does not remove the possibility of being addicted to it.  If a person have poor control over himself during his gambling session then it is best for him to stop since the possibility of being addicted to gambling is somehow high in that situation.  But, if he is able to control and moderate himself then I believe there is no problem if he continue to gamble in his entire life.

I think most of the case those person are get into the addiction trap who take the gambing and their income source and also the Greed of them was one cause. I think that to eliminate gambling addiction, these two things must be removed from the mind first. In my case, I don't need to quit gambling because I am not a person addicted to gambling. And even if you don't see it in a bad way, if you use it as a means of entertainment, I think all the problems will be solved.

I think otherwise, I believe the thinking that gambling is a possible source of income will trap them to engage in gambling constantly but as long as they have control they will never be addicted to gambling. 
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If you decide to quit gamble or take gamble as entertainment only, welcome to join me.
I don't think that you have to quit gambling if you can take is as the entertainment purpose only. Because if you can do it I  think I think you aren't the addicted person.
I think most of the case those person are get into the addiction trap who take the gambing and their income source and also the Greed of them was one cause. I think that to eliminate gambling addiction, these two things must be removed from the mind first. In my case, I don't need to quit gambling because I am not a person addicted to gambling. And even if you don't see it in a bad way, if you use it as a means of entertainment, I think all the problems will be solved.
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It was easy to say if we are not in that situation and that is what OP is trying to say.
Well, that is obviously wrong because if that is right, no people got into addiction. Unfortunately, it really exists and that is the reality when it comes to gambling - many people lose control of themselves and got fall into addiction.  And you are right, many families got broken due to such issues and sometimes committed crimes. But still, we can stop gambling if we really wanted and committed to doing it, yet it will take time to heal and to finally forget gambling.
I have seen so many topics about gambling addiction, but I think it is time to ask;
1. Who are the victims of gambling addiction?
2. What was ther experience?
3. How were they able to escape addiction?
Or are there not victims of gambling addiction? I have never seen anyone confess or advice based on experience.
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It was easy to say if we are not in that situation and that is what OP is trying to say.
Well, that is obviously wrong because if that is right, no people got into addiction. Unfortunately, it really exists and that is the reality when it comes to gambling - many people lose control of themselves and got fall into addiction.  And you are right, many families got broken due to such issues and sometimes committed crimes. But still, we can stop gambling if we really wanted and committed to doing it, yet it will take time to heal and to finally forget gambling.

And that time is what you need to re-assess and help yourself to fix the addiction, it's on your self-will to stop and avoid playing back, I agree with your statement about it's easy to say if you are not in that particular situation and it can be apply to many things in life, you can easily provide your opinions and your ways to avoid or to stop things out, but when you caught in that same situation, the decision making and the resolution that you'll going to take might be different from how you provide your advice.

Easy maybe for those who are doing it just pure for fun and killing some time, but difficult/tough for those who already engage and believing that they can change a lifestyle if luck will back them up and win decently.
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The guy wasn't able to control his urge to gamble and the family let him go abroad to work so that he earns money and use it all in gambling, that's a great solution indeed. They shouldn't have let him go until he was completely okay and has left gambling, he would obviously not be able to get rid of it when he is away from the family, living alone with no one around to even care about what he does and what he doesn't, he would definitely gamble in such a situation.

Supporting someone when they are in trouble is a good thing, but then leaving them hanging if they can't grasp the changes isn't really an ideal thing to do, the support should be continued and the person should be kept around to see if there are any changes found or not.

I don't know if it was the right decision or the wrong decision. Considering he is probably 10+ years younger than me, his mother have told about him, he is in heavy addiction. May be you are right he can uses his own money to gamble, but we know, sometimes a week's salary ends in 1 hour of gambling if we can't control ourselves and when we are in a losing phase while gambling. What will he do when he has no money and wants to continue gambling? One question that is always worried by his parents and fear if his son commits a crime abroad. if it happens, no one can help him anymore.
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It was easy to say if we are not in that situation and that is what OP is trying to say.
Well, that is obviously wrong because if that is right, no people got into addiction. Unfortunately, it really exists and that is the reality when it comes to gambling - many people lose control of themselves and got fall into addiction.  And you are right, many families got broken due to such issues and sometimes committed crimes. But still, we can stop gambling if we really wanted and committed to doing it, yet it will take time to heal and to finally forget gambling.
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Anyway, imo, the first step in recovery is to admit being an addict. Most addicts deny it and refuse to accept the truth that everyone else sees.

Self deniel is the worst addiction that someone can get into. If you refuse to accept you are addicted and keep pretending that your are okay then no one will come to your help because you are just as fine as them. The first way to getting help is to give an open hand to people that you need help. A drunk doesn't like to be called as that and just like gambling addict. Men like their ego to be fanned and protected, so before you know they are on the help stage you just know they are totally out of control of themselves.
I very much concur with your thought here, an addict's first step to becoming free is to first accept that he or she is addicted and assert that he or she needs help, it's just the same as someone who is sick, you first accept that you are sick and need medication, that gives you the drive to visit a hospital or a pharmacy near you(depending on how serious or mild the sickness is) for proper check and medication..

And talking about ego, it is commonly said in African proverb that a stubborn fly follows a corpse to the grave, one who is addicted and knows it, and also knows it has passed a level where he can help himself, and knows he needs professional help, but because of ego, refuse to take that step to seeking help, such person so responsible for what ever befalls him at the end of the day..
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Anyway, imo, the first step in recovery is to admit being an addict. Most addicts deny it and refuse to accept the truth that everyone else sees.

Self deniel is the worst addiction that someone can get into. If you refuse to accept you are addicted and keep pretending that your are okay then no one will come to your help because you are just as fine as them. The first way to getting help is to give an open hand to people that you need help. A drunk doesn't like to be called as that and just like gambling addict. Men like their ego to be fanned and protected, so before you know they are on the help stage you just know they are totally out of control of themselves.
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Dude, being an advocate of people who wants to quit gambling is a good one. But you don't force people in quitting just because you hate it and you're not for it. Any person can stop at their own will but if they don't want to, you don't have a say in whatever decision a gambler makes.
Join you or not, at some point in individual gamblers' lives, a time will come when we'll all realize what we like to do and what we are up to. You may not like gambling and that's why make your own ways of avoiding it and if you're trying to attract people follow what you did, that's in you. There's no need to push everyone to dislike it just because you hate and despise gambling. If it didn't do good to you then just really avoid it for a lifetime.
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I think that it depends on the gambler/gamer/etc. Someone can stop himself, someone else will gamble until he lose all his money. This situation is the same(in my opinion) for most part of the hobbies - in some moment it becomes too expensive and it doesn`t matter what resource do you spend - money, time or something else.
The problem with gambling that it is the main thing we see.
You need to have a strong mindset to leave it because it's like all other addiction where you are tempted to bet upon games even if costs you anything so to be normal again you need to be strong and especially if you have some moral support of you family members it can be easy.It depends on the surrounding environment also like gamblers will have during that time that can help them a lot.
I don`t think that i have strong mindset but i have no problems with gambling or some other hobbies Smiley But it is possible that it is only my opinion. We see lots of people with different problems and often they created these problems themselves. And you`re right that lots of depends on environment - parents, friends, family - they can help to avoid lots of problems.
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I think you didn't understand what he said. He isn't talking about the phases you mentioned and how to become an addidct. He is rather taking about levels of addiction. In other words, the gravity of seriousness of he case. Some people are more addict than others and the more serious the case is, the harder it will be to recover from it.
Anyway, imo, the first step in recovery is to admit being an addict. Most addicts deny it and refuse to accept the truth that everyone else sees.
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Obviously it's not easy, don't know why this question even exists?

If it was easy then people would just stop as soon as they seen the situation is getting out of hand. I think if you are too deep in it you can only get out with help and intervention of others. People lose control and don't wake up, not even when it's too late. They dig a deeper and deeper hole and often enough lose everything.

That's why I think it's very good that several countries officially forbid promoting gambling, it's a step in the right direction.

Gambling addiction is one of the biggest addictions in our society these days, it destroys families and everything it touches.
Some years ago this wasn't even a thing but with the internet making gambling too easy and accessible to everybody it's hard to stop the spreading of this virus.  Cry

Yes, its never been easy and this is the main reason on why gambling industry is so that profitable business on which it is really that increasing day by day or year by year when it comes to revenue which it does really shows that there are lots of people who do really engage into this activity on which most of them would really be going after on making money and doesnt really that mind off about the risks behind it.
Its never been that easy on the time that you would be finding yourself get hooked on addiction.It might really be that simple to make or say about advises but its not actually that so simple because if it does then
gambling psychiatrist or those professionals doesnt really exist on the first place or even with those gambling warnings and precautions if people are really that good when it comes into their
self control and discipline towards gambling activity.
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Can you attach any articles I can read about addiction consisting of many stages? Because AFAIK, problem gambling has its own phases, not stages. Here are the phases:

- Winning phase
- Losing phase
- Desperation phase
- Hopeless phase

Source: https://psychcentral.com/addictions/four-phases-and-steps-of-gambling-addiction#phases-of-gambling-addiction

Even in simple terms, stage and phase is synonymous and can be intermingling use in place of one another. There's another stage missing in your list which is recovery stage. It's the stage where the victim fight to regain his sense and seize to be addictive through various means. You can read more about it here.

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So, whatever the gambling problem is, no matter how deeply a gambler loses and becomes a problem gambler who is addicted, the solution is still same, there's no difference.

And, no the solution is not the same because you can't expect someone who's newly to gambling to struggle hard to quit like one who has grown deep in it for long.
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Obviously it's not easy, don't know why this question even exists?

If it was easy then people would just stop as soon as they seen the situation is getting out of hand. I think if you are too deep in it you can only get out with help and intervention of others. People lose control and don't wake up, not even when it's too late. They dig a deeper and deeper hole and often enough lose everything.

That's why I think it's very good that several countries officially forbid promoting gambling, it's a step in the right direction.

Gambling addiction is one of the biggest addictions in our society these days, it destroys families and everything it touches.
Some years ago this wasn't even a thing but with the internet making gambling too easy and accessible to everybody it's hard to stop the spreading of this virus.  Cry
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For me personally, breaking away from gambling is rather difficult, moreover, I get pleasure from it by achieving several wins, coupled with online gambling notifications that always appear on my cellphone, making it increasingly difficult for me to stop playing gambling.

I think gambling addiction is not so bad if we can control the addiction. Because gambling can be bad and harm you when you can't control yourself, playing without thinking about strategy and playing without controlling your finances will only lead you to misery.
If all addictions depend on the ability to control them, then they should not be called bad addictions at all. Gambling is not a bad addiction for many people who are addicted to gambling and have the ability to control it. There are many people who become addicted to gambling and harm many socially and he becomes addicted to gambling in such a way that it becomes one of the causes of turmoil in his family. In this case, it becomes very difficult to control the gambler and bring him out of gambling addiction. However, gambling cannot be a bad profession if it does not have bad social effects.
It is undeniable that it is very difficult to persuade someone who is heavily addicted to gambling so that they can get out of that zone. And we can only invite and cannot force someone to leave the zone because that is their right. But it needs to be underlined, indeed gambling is their right, want it from morning to morning again and spending millions playing gambling is their right. But behind it all, don't just fulfill your rights but forget your obligations. For example; your obligation as the head of the family to guide and support. Because it's true as you said @LDL that gambling cannot be made into a profession.

the decision to stop is entirely dependent to the person himself. he can read all the suggestions, pieces of advise and many other articles saying how to stop addiction, but if he won't start thinking about it, it won't happen. he also need to be sincere on his change of lifestyle. because if his reasoning is weak, he can easily go back to where he was. a determined mind can break his old habits. but the continuity will always depend on him, how sincere he is to change his lifestyle.
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