Topic: Ratimov sold his account - page 6. (Read 2579 times)

Will not come as much of a surprise if it turns out to be true. It will only seem ridiculous to me to buy an account with all the drama and dust that have been raisd in recent months around Ratimov.

Everyone is talking about solid proof, and I will like to know what counts as solid proof of account changing hands besides obvious ones like change of language.

- Jay -

As you stated, it is difficult for non-Russian readers to come to any conclusion because of the number of posts he is making in that board instead of the global board. Having said that he seems to be wearing a mixer campaign earning $10 per post therefore financial motives are definitely important to him (regardless of who is controlling the account).

This seems tricky to prove.  Since most of us probably don't speak Russian natively, we can't personally evaluate if his style of communication has shifted.  The best course would be having members who previously interacted with him closely, either on or off the forum, confirm or deny perceivable changes.  However one detail gives me pause - if financial motives were important, why stop participating in the signature campaign?

I didn't know about such schemes. Apparently you have a lot of experience in this

A signed message would not prove anything, the "new owner" can request from the "original owner" to sign a message saying " the new owner is the same person as the "original owner", it's almost impossible to prove that something does not exist, if someone tells you that they a 12 bedroom apartment on Mercury, you would have no way to prove them wrong despite knowing for sure that they are.

As it stands right now, the accuser could just stay silent because "the burden of proof is on the accuser", however, given the account status and how many people are watching it -- it will be very difficult not to make a fatal mistake along the way that would expose him if the accusation is correct.

Abraham Lincoln

LOL!


Let's put things in this light: if you ever would want to sell your account, how would you proceed, taking into account also a shady past like Ratimov's? Well I, if I were him, first of all I'd want to get rid of any plagiarism evidence. So I'd delete all the posts which may still contain such evidence. In fact, I already anticipated that here:


Then we have also Loyce's discovery:


Then he also deleted a post where he admitted in plain sight that 90% of his content is plagiarism:


So this point is Checked.

Then, for "clearing" the account even more, I'd also apply for a name change. This did not depend only on him, but theymos was generous so we can say this step was also Checked..

I'd eliminate any negative feedbacks I left in the past, thus there would be low chances for other rants to appear to my "new" account and jeopardize a possible deal with a customer, which may not be interested om an account involved in accusations, beefs with other users etc. Checked.

I'd be mostly inactive for avoiding other conflicts or, if I needed to be a bit active I'd remain inside my local board, where less people would see what I'm doing. Checked.

I'd cancel any sponsorship, as no potential client for my account would be interested in buying the account with a debt of 0.0435 BTC. Checked.

I'd change my username and password. Checked.

Eventually, I'd also enroll in a better paying campaign, thus the account would look even more appealing for being bought. Checked.

What's there more to say? Ratimov Symmetrick checked all the above criteria, which are common sense for someone trying to obtain a very good price for his account. Let's not forget, this not an ordinary Legendary account, but fourth most merited account on the forum. (Of course, a client would never be informed that those merits were made in thousands by copy-paste and plagiarism, but that's another discussion.)

Okay okay okay

Now listen here everybody. If Ratimov comes here with a bitcoin signed message and confirms his bitcoin address, would you all agree to be accused of libel (total distrusting and tagging as slanderers from all DT members)?

full list of accusers without evidence in this thread
-CryptoPravda
-sky999
-suchmoon

Are you ready?

Here is another who believes that, after all that has been said, such as the change in writing mode, which culminates all the recent events that had been triggered, the most likely scenario is that the account has changed hands. But with a very high probability.

I'm sure that one could feed your posts to one of those newfangled AI/ML thingies and produce somewhat coherent LoyceV-like posts for at least two days.

As for Simwhatshername (can't be bothered to remember how many Ms and Ys there are, sorry), the current owner of the account is such a clown that regardless of whether it's the same person as the original owner or not, there is very little reason to trust them with anything. But I find OP's observations quite interesting and credible, and considering the password change I'd say ownership change is likely to have happened.

This is not my message. But there is such a user in russian locale, it seems he behaved aggressively. I could be mistaken.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

He lost a lot of things here so it can be common lol.

Did you mean deisik? What happened to him? What did he do?

Actually, "Ratimov" acc has some strange posting now (in Dec). I see some difference with his past posting. More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

Yeah sure, for tax purposes in Russian Federation (or anywhere else in nearby countries) where bitcointalk forum is banned and blacklisted for years 
Common Ratimov Symmetrick, come here and talk with us, everyone is eager to see what is actually going on with you.

Oh gawd, Ratimov related drama keep going on...


He maybe knows all the nuances but if what you are saying is true and another person took control of his account, that person will most likely slip, sooner or later.


Since he is currently only active in your local board, none of us here who don't speak Russian can help you much. What's the opinion of other members of your local board, do others have the same suspicion that he sold his account?

You can't prove it directly. He caught sellers and knows all the nuances.

Perhaps admin can look at the ip he used previously and the browsers he used. Although, the previous owner could have transferred the VPN or said which one he used.

Writing mere statements can not be a proof that what you claimed happened really happened but backing up your claims with facts can actually sustain your claims here. I have read through and there is no difference from what each and every one responder has said, OP for you claims to be really taken seriously, there must be some proof otherwise it will be a null and void scenario.
I believe this is a thing of speculation and on assumption basis for which OP is working with.

LOL. How Ratimov can sold his account if there is no username Ratimov at the forum

Try this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search

This is a results:

~Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-08   0   
Offline   Ratimov2                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   Ratimov_SCAM                     Brand new   2021-01-01   0   
Offline   Maxim Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-28   0   
Offline   RatimovGandon                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   RatimovGandonn                     Brand new   2023-12-02   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov                     Brand new   2022-03-10   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov.                                                  Brand new   2022-03-10   0

Would that make a difference for the Trust system when it comes to "account changed hands"?
That brings up a thought experiment: if I give my account to someone I personally know and trust, does my account deserve to be tagged? In a way, that means someone walks around with +30 only because I gave it to him, and I don't think that's supposed to happen. So even giving away the account can deserve negative feedback.

Maybe it's plausible deniability for tax purposes?

(Possible) 2nd proof was presented in GazetaBitcoin's reply above. It reminds me of the case of red tagging who didn't respect the auction s/he was holding: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57602602

Comparing these cases, in the context they both show disrespect for auction/contest participants. However, I respect (old)Ratimov as someone the admin has trusted to be a meirt source. Talking about justice... I think it should have a different space especially after the account is really controlled by someone new.