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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 07, 2023, 09:17:15 AM

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on December 02, 2023, 10:19:01 AM

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

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Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

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Quote from: CryptoPravda on December 07, 2023, 06:10:27 AM

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

I can be mistaken if, for example, Ratimov account was introduced by more than one person and after my statement he will again connect to writing messages. Or for example, he has a psychological disease where he lost his memory.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Symmetrick deleted all his topics.
Symmetrick completely ignores the questions in Russian reputation and pretends that nothing is happening.

Speech is silver, silence is gold. This only make yourself look untrustworthy then somebody else. Why? Because the only thing everyone knows here for sure is that you don't know. You just guessing.. It's so unnecessary to create a thread like this if you not are 100% sure, you could just wait until you are sure it would be better for everyone.

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Quote from: examplens on December 07, 2023, 08:21:14 AM

He left the campaign but also immediately moved to another one with a probably better payment rate while making a private deal. And I believe that he got the offer because they were very satisfied with his reviews of the service.
So this can be a two-way speculation.

Oh well, you're correct. I didn't check his account anymore, but now he's already wear a paid signature.

Quote from: CryptoPravda on December 07, 2023, 09:07:42 AM

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

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Quote from: stompix on December 07, 2023, 08:44:48 AM

OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy! Wink

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

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Quote from: Snork1979 on December 06, 2023, 01:04:27 PM

Я лишь cкaзaл, чтo "пo 5-знaчнoмy цeнникy мнe битoк пoкyпaть нe интepecнo".
Paзницy мeждy этим мoим выcкaзывaниeм и cвoeй интepпpeтaциeй мoeгo выcкaзывaния ты лeгкo нaйдёшь caм, я нaдeюcь Wink

Cнopк, нe бoишьcя oпять oкaзaтьcя в пoзиции пpoтив pынкa, кaк тoгдa в 2020 гoдy, гдe ты тaкжe cтaвил нa шopт и пpoпycтил вcё caмoe интepecнoe, xoтя пoтoм вcё жe кyпил, нo бoльшaя чacть вoзмoжнocтeй былa yпyщeнa.

Tы ждёшь 4-ёx знaчный цeнник нa зaкyп? Tы eгo мoжeшь дoждaтьcя, вoт тoлькo биткoин cнaчaлa мoжeт cxoдить нa нoвый ATH, a тoлькo пoтoм, cпycтя гoд-двa пpилeтeть , нaпpимep, нa 5к (чтo кpaйнe мaлoвepoятнo, a ты вooбщe ждёшь 2к).

Moжнo пoтoм пopaдoвaтьcя тoмy, чтo ты пpoдaл пo 30к и кyпил пo 5к, нo пepeд этим вcпoмнить, чтo ты пpocидeл в фиaтe, пoкa биткoин был пo 70к и вышe. Кaк вapиaнт.

and don’t remember the other one at all.

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Tвoe cooбщeниe выглядит тaк, чтo ты xoчeшь пoкaзaтьcя peaльным Paтимoвым и кaк-бы знaeшь иcтopию c ним и xoчeшь этo пoкaзaть Cheesy

He пиcaл тaк Paтимoв, нe тoт cтиль. Ecли ты c ним дo cиx пop нa cвязи, ты пoпpocи eгo, чтoбы нeкoтopыe пocты oн пиcaл Cheesy

Eщe oдин икcпepд пo cтилю, пиздeц кaкoй-тo. Tы тeмy пepeпyтaл, зaгoн для eблaнoв тyт: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-ratimov-aka-symmetrick-be-in-dt1-5468454, тaм мoжeшь cвoи yмoзaключeния выcpaть, тeбя тaм выcлyшaют и пpимyт кaк poднoгo. Дaжe мoжeт пoxлoпaют, чeм eбaнyтee тeopия, тeм гpoмчe пoxлoпaют. Здecь пaцaны oбcyждaют биткoин, pынoк, пoнимaeшь, пoлитикa, peпyтaция и пpoчaя xyйню иди oбcyждaй в дpyгoм мecтe.

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Haxyй пoшeл oтcюдa, чepт eбaный. Eблaн y тeбя в пacпopтe нapиcoвaн, пocмoтpи внимaтeльнo нa этo eбaлo и yяcни paз и нaвceгдa. Пиздeц кoнeчнo, eбaныx шизoфpeникoв c кaждым мecяцeм cтaнoвитcя вcё бoльшe и бoльшe, кyдa блять кaтимcя. Oчepeднoй дeгeнepaт пpипёpcя в тpeйдингoвый тoпик и пытaeтcя кaчaть зa peпyтaцию и мнe eщe ктo-тo тyт пытaeтcя paccкaзывaть, чтo здecь в пepвyю oчepeдь интepecyютcя зa кpиптy, пpocти, caтoши, мы вcё пpoeбaли. Дaжe тeймoc иcпopтилcя, чeгo yж гoвopить пpo ocтaльныx.

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Yes, I see this with standard settings.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 07, 2023, 08:31:42 AM

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

For someone who looks at his account from outside, everything looks almost perfect.
They can see 17 positive and 2 neutral feedback, there is no negative and that is enough for most people.
I see no other reason why someone would change username and do so much effort in deleting bunch of stuff he wrote before, than for purpose to retire his account.

Let's wait and see what other members from Russian board will say, before we make any final conclusions.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 07, 2023, 08:21:58 AM

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account?

I think too many focus on the buying thing, and that doesn't makes sense, he could have earned enough for signatures or private deals, far more than someone would offer to an account that would immediately fall under suspicion.
So let's say this is not Ratimov posting, that doesn't imply he has sold his account, he could have simply give it to a fried or a relative, and for me this would be the best course of action to someone who wants to cut ties with the forum, plus with this move he muddies the waters for everyone following him while still keeping the account over some sort of control.
OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy! Wink

Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 08:24:11 AM

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

Internet court of libel opens up on X at 4pm, don't forget to bring all the memes and tiktok clips as well as the sign petition from 4chan staff.

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 08:24:11 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 07, 2023, 08:12:21 AM

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

Well, I did say it in my comment that, it is completely wrong for one to use assumptions alone as a deciding factor, most especially, when another user's reputation is involved.
Reputation on this forum, to me, is a commodity that is very expensive, so one should never try to carelessly destroy another user's reputation out of assumptions, it is completely wrong.

And speaking of who will be disgraced and who will not, it's way too early to judge, leave it all to time, time will tell who is right and who is wrong, let time be the judge, whatever is hidden surely comes in the open with time.

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 08:24:11 AM

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?

And you are right, no matter a person changes, such changes doesn't happen in a week or in a month, and even at this, there is always traces back to their old self.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 07, 2023, 08:28:17 AM

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 08:24:11 AM

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?

He was a major investigator at the Russian Local. Of course you will not find direct evidence.
He investigated hundreds of bots.
He knew very well how to sell best, without traces.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 07, 2023, 08:21:58 AM

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.
Maybe that is the reason why he changed his username recently and sold it with new name instead of old Ratimov, to try and cover the tracks.
This transactions all be done outside of bitcointalk forum, so nobody would have any proof that he did anything.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 07, 2023, 08:12:21 AM

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

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I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. Ratimov burned all bridges behind him, and instead of confronting problems, he just kept digging a deeper hole. Maybe it's an ego thing, I don't get it.

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 07, 2023, 07:35:54 AM

Ratimov/ Symmetrick likely waived / withdrawn his merit source role in the forum. A merit source with 1000 sourced merit is a big one and I can not think of any merit source that likely removed recently than Ratimov/ Symmetrick.
Merit source observation

Can someone explain to me how you see that he has withdrawn merit source status? The link you posted does not point to any specific user.
Deleting the merit source thread application doesn't lead directly to that, does it? Also, the fact that on average he distributed less merit than otherwise, does not necessarily exclude that he has out-of-merit sources.

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 07, 2023, 07:42:04 AM

He withdrawn his merit source role and he out from high paid campaign, if he want to sell his account, the two things I mentioned above would increase his account value. For me it doesn't make sense he sell his account with the current condition when he could make more.

He left the campaign but also immediately moved to another one with a probably better payment rate while making a private deal. And I believe that he got the offer because they were very satisfied with his reviews of the service.
So this can be a two-way speculation.

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Quote from: CryptoPravda on December 07, 2023, 06:10:27 AM

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

I had a feeling he is going to leave bitcointalk forum after he started to delete many of his posts, changes email address, password, and even forum user name.
Maybe he wanted to prevent being banned, and legendary accounts can be very expensive, but I suspect he probably switched to one of his other accounts and he is still active here.
I can't be sure if he sold his account, but we are going to know this for sure when this accounts writes more messages in english.
However, this is not enough proof (yet) to give anyone negative feedback for this.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 07, 2023, 08:12:21 AM

Ratimov is a personally I personally had great respect for

I also respected Ratimov, but this is not Ratimov. We normally communicate even after conflicts.
I apologize, I can’t answer everyone, it’s hard to write in English quickly for me.

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Quote from: digaran on December 07, 2023, 07:35:39 AM

And all of the things that happened was for what exactly? Because he couldn't let go of his stubborn ego. Acting on anger will never end well. Now if he starts to join bounties and or campaigns, or if he starts to call DTs and managers "sir", it would be a worthy evidence. He got played by a DT gang and ruined everything. Btw, he is no longer a source I believe.

With all that have happened, I highly doubt that he is still a source, theymos is not blind afterall, he himself knows and sees all that goes on around this forum, but hardly will he respond to issues that don't in any way, concerns him, or that doesn't deserve his attention.

Ratimov is a personality I personally had great respect for, and in the mist of all this drama, one thing I've always said to myself is, "how has the mighty fallen".

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Quote from: CryptoPravda on December 07, 2023, 06:10:27 AM

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that John sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

There needs to be proof posted in order for anyone to take this seriously. No offense to you, but that's how it is on here. Word of mouth only opens the door, proof closes the case. If you have proof, feel free to post it.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before. But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

This is pure speculation, or better still, assumption. Assumption is not an evidence because several times, people assume things wrongly.
But still good that you brought your thought up, I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

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Evidence is required for this charge. So far I see the subjective opinion of one user from the locale board #10.0

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Quote from: CryptoPravda on December 07, 2023, 06:10:27 AM

with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account

I anticipated this since November 23rd:

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 23, 2023, 09:56:30 AM

I see he also changed his password and email today...
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It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign

Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign Tongue

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

Add to all these that meanwhile he also was demoted from Merit Source position and cancels a 0.0435 BTC sponsorship with a few days before he is supposed to make the payment (after benefiting one year from the reputation and popularity gained by saying that he is the sponsor of that contest).

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Now I'm even more sure. It’s just that the buyer did not study Ratimov interaction with everyone at the Russian local.
Another message Ratimov in my topic.

Quote from: Symmetrick on December 07, 2023, 05:05:46 AM

Ecли дoбaвляeтe instant биpжи, c пoддepжкoй лaйтнингa, тo тoгдa имeeт cмыcл дoбaвить и дpyгиe, a имeннo:

To understand the features of the Russian language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHR6A_mQFU
BЫ and TЫ in Russian: How to switch and where to use

Russians differentiate the way they address people depending on their social status, age and relations between them. But how to choose the right ‘you’? Don’t worry, we’ll spell it out for you!

“Who allowed you to say YOU to me?” “Can we switch to YOU?” Phrases like this just make zero sense in English. It’s impossible to imagine someone angry saying: “How dare you say YOU to me?!” or “Don’t tell me YOU” in English.

But, in Russian, it’s absolutely commonplace. Intrigued by another difficulty of Russian? We’ll not let it be lost in translation and explain everything now.

https://www.rbth.com/education/333035-ty-vy-how-say-you-russian

And these are not my feelings, these are clear features of the Russian language. He had never addressed me like that before.

For example, my old theme, where we are discussing with him merit source.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/theymos-5197178
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/theymos-5197178.msg52961561#msg52961561

We talked a lot and he knew me well. Another person owns the account.

Quote from: Symmetrick on December 07, 2023, 05:05:46 AM

Ecли дoбaвляeтe instant биpжи, c пoддepжкoй лaйтнингa, тo тoгдa имeeт cмыcл дoбaвить и дpyгиe, a имeннo:

In this message, he communicates with me using "Bы" He never did that.

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If this turns out to be true then I will leave a negative trust on his account and exclude him from my trust list.

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