Topic: Re: Farewell - page 3. (Read 3069 times)

Everyone indeed has somewhat level of stupidity in their closet but making a public display of it is absolutely irresponsible and unnecessary and you have really displayed a great deal of stupidity with all this. I don't know your motive or what you stand to gain with this public display of cruelty and stupidity but trust me, it is totally irrelevant.

If you've got grievances with Leo, rather than coming to a Farewell thread and publicly spitting dung for everyone to see just how full of shit you really are, you could've taken it somewhere else and let out your grievances, no one is saying you should forgive anyone for whatever grievances you've got, but for God's sake have some little conscience. I don't know if you're expecting appraisal for this crap but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who feels disgusted by what you're doing.



Not everyone finds it necessary to engage in frivolous online arguments. And to be honest, there's no shame in that; if I were Leo, I'd rather take a nap all day than come here and attempt to clear things up. Sometimes, it's more valuable to concentrate on living your life than it is to engage in pointless internet disputes with strangers.


Agreed, a lot of people uses Binance exchange, regardless the fact that it's a centralized exchange, and not only do they use it, they also recommend it to other users because it's trusted and respected, so if Binance happens to go down today, there's no way anyone would be help responsible or blamed for promoting Binance or recommending it to other users. I believe that's just the case here, so that's really not enough proof for anyone to point accusing fingers on Leo, except he'll also call out every other person on the forum that's promoted the same mixer service. Or except maybe there's another reason to why he's taking this whole thing personal.

Yeah, whatever.  If I knew I only had a short time left on this earth, the last thing on my mind would be trying to appease anyone on the internet.  I would imagine Leo doesn't agree with the arguments being made here anyhow, so doubtless he doesn't think there's anything to set straight.

Here's the rational, logical position that o_e_l_e_o knew all along:

Except the thing is nobody here believes that at all. He came across as a rational human being that explained his position using logic. You come across as a petulant child. Nobody has done more damage to Wasabi here than you, and you have no one to blame but yourself for that.

The proof I provided is quoted directly from o_e_l_e_o himself.  I'm not producing any new evidence that Bitcointalk users can't verify with their own eyes.


The topic is extremely important because the damage he inflicted on the reputations of these non custodial open source privacy projects remains even after he stops using the forum.  By alerting everyone that o_e_l_e_o was intentionally sabotaging Bitcoin by lying about the innocent, we can finally move the conversation of privacy forward using honest premises.

No matter the proof you provided, do you realize that we're only getting your own part of the story but we haven't heard or gotten anything from the accused? For now is just a mare accusation because we can't say he's what you call him until we get his own part of the gist, so is best you let it slide and I pray to God to do some miracle, get him completely healed, let him come back here and testify then you can start this whole drama all over again.




The way you think and the way I think are never going to be the same, wishing anyone death is not going to come from me.
And again yes he deserves some respect, the thing is how you lay your complain that why it seems like we're against you but for ones you had to give him the regard after all we still have many people who can still speak good if him.
Come to think of it OP, why is it now that he's not using the Forum anymore that you're bringing this topic of him being an imposter? Don't you also think someone can still use his name to do bad things without him knowing?

I was actively warning users about o_e_l_e_o scamming while he was still present too.


You seem to misunderstand:  Saying "Farewell" does not mean that you only say goodbye to your friends, saying farewell also means you say goodbye to your victims.  The victims deserve just as much of a voice as the friends, if not more.


I don't care about people's feelings, I care about the truth.


I did verify those reports are from real victims of ChipMixer and ChipMixer partners, and I did verify it was not ChipMixer competitors purposely lying (like the evidence you linked shows.)

Proof of james3441 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52372824
Proof of Lucius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61812722
Proof of n0nce - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61736973

As you can see, I do not have a double standard because I always make sure my accusations are backed up with proof.


If ChipMixer wasn't a scam, please explain how all the NON available private keys that ChipMixer said they deleted were also confiscated.


As you can see from the quote, I made no comment whatsoever about his illness:


As I mentioned earlier, if o_e_l_e_o's farewell thread said he was leaving the forum to become a Buddhist monk or Amish farmer, my "Good Riddance" post would not change at all, because no mention was made whatsoever about his physical condition.  

You publicly lied and twisted my words, so now I have full right to call you a liar and you are not far from being a scammer if you continue down this path.

Talking with this member is a waste of time since he thinks he is always right, so I would suggest everyone to ignore him and stop replying on his posts.
Let him enjoy his eco chamber.

Sure I can. Here is an example.

So, to paraphrase your words, you have never provided any proof of Chipmixer scamming anyone, you just reposted it without verifying it.


That's your opinion, but I disagree. They were seized by a government and all available private keys were confiscated. That's not the definition of a scam.

But you specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?


That's another lie. Here's your original post in o_e_l_e_o's "farewell" thread: https://ninjastic.space/post/63517379
That post contains no proofs whatsoever, just your baseless opinion and a disgusting comment about his terminal illness.

Even if you know that the accusations he was making weren't right you should not post comments like that on his farewell thread. When he was present on this forum and no one was aware of his health issue then you could create a thread and come up with your accusations.

However, you have chosen a wrong thread to make those comments as his farewell message shocked the all members of the forum and no one even thought that something like that could happen to a doctor. I hope by now you might understand that whatever you said wasn't right especially in a thread like that.

Trust me your comment on that thread hurt the feelings of many members of the forum. We as humans should understand that sometimes our words in wrong occasions can hurt others feelings. I'm not sure what's with you or with o_e_l_e_o, but if must say that your comment wasn't right on that thread.

I'm not saying "crazy things", I provided o_e_l_e_o's own quotes that prove he was lying about innocent non custodial open source privacy projects and telling people to deposit their coins into a scam that stole depositor funds and turned over user data to the government.


"Even if he stole your money"?...

I'm curious, how would you feel if someone who was impostering your profile to scam people out of their money died?  Would you say "well, at least my imposter deserves respect"?


What do you mean I have "double standards"?  Can you provide an example?


It's not an "exaggeration", ChipMixer explicitly claimed that they delete the private keys:


^This was a scam.


I didn't "wish someone dead", I posted proof that o_e_l_e_o knew the accusations he was making were false.

So now we accept someone else's claims as evidence? OK... But it seems to me that you have double standards.

OK. Assuming these claims are true (and I have no reason to doubt them, I'm just pointing out that they do not constitute irrefutable evidence), based on the information provided, it's reasonable to conclude that ChipMixer did not steal those coins, but rather a government agency confiscated them.

To sum it up, your claim that Chipmixer "stole everyone's coins" was a lie, or at the very least an exaggeration. And your second claim, again unsubstantiated, that they "turned over their data to the government" is equally bogus. You're either delusional or deliberately spreading misinformation.



You don't defend yourself against "false accusations" by wishing someone dead, or by coming to someone's "farewell" thread to gloat over their imminent demise. Have some respect.

No matter how things are between you and o_e_l_e_o I don't think him having a short time to live is something you should be happy about, is like you're taking advantage of the fact that he's not going to be here to defend himself to say some crazy things.
Come on OP,  even if he did something you don't like or he stole your money or something, that shouldn't make you wish him death, at least he never prayed you stop breathing , give him the last respect he deserves and not the way you're going about business. Try and keep a better legacy too, who knows this guy o_e_l_e_o can make it past this month next year and many more years, I just wish him well where ever he is.

Given that these "high ranking members" have no way to guarantee their claims about the trustworthiness of the mixer they are promoting, that makes their attacks against trustless open source privacy projects even more of a betrayal.

I would say a decentralized mixing service is superior to any centralized mixing service, especially if the code is open source. (I have no idea if wasabi is capable of doing it, not interested at the moment, i am talking in general)

Let's be honest now, those high ranking members have no idea if the clients of that mixing service were getting logged or not. (just like we don't know what information the government got from seizing the service) Was [BannedMixer] an open source project? As far as I know, no. Then who can guarantee any safety of anything that happened on that platform?

Some of the current mixing services may very well be a trap being operated by the state btw.

Here's the evidence that backs up my claim:



No, it's a literal outright lie.  The privacy of Wasabi is strictly superior because no one is trusted with your financial history.  With ChipMixer, your financial history is completely exposed to the trusted third party.


If someone falsely accused you of rape for years, wouldn't you relentlessly defend yourself against the false accusation by posting the proof that the accuser was lying the entire time?

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

1. Chipmixer did NOT steal everyone's deposits, and you have no evidence to back up that claim.

2. Chipmixer has NOT handed over any of their data to the government, and you have no proof of that either.  They were seized. As for the content of the seized data, we can only speculate, the evidence is inconclusive.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

So, while the claim that a centralized mixer service offers comparable or superior privacy to Wasabi can be considered a matter of opinion, it is unfair and inaccurate to label it as an outright lie.

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The general perception others have of your character is shaped by your actions and interactions within the community, not by your ability to argue your stance or your relentless pursuit of self-justification.

The first two quotes establish the fact that the lying was intentional.  In March 2022, o_e_l_e_o was completely aware that using Wasabi does not lead to data being provided to blockchain analysis.


Here's proof that o_e_l_e_o was posting in bad faith the entire time because he took extremely anti-privacy stances in support of the custodial mixing site he was promoting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62803897


No, he specifically was recommending the custodian that leaked everyone's data and stole everyone's coins on the thread of a non custodial privacy wallet:


You correctly identified this tactic:



I am not in agreement with that decision either, I don't care about the origin of the funds I coinjoin with.


Check the OP of the thread, I provided a detailed timeline.


Good thing that general consensus and self assessment don't matter because I have proof (not opinions) backing up this thread.

Nope. General consensus suggests you're an asshole in this case.  Your self-assessment is irrelevant.

This is a huge allegation that it better be true with the way you are saying it. I also read a lot of replies to others on the general post I managed to cut off the excerpt of mine, and I must say that this is so serious. You take this too personally to the point that I begin to have concerns, and for that, giving you more audience now as a lot could even be happening behind the scenes truly.

But first, you need proof to convince us on this forum rather than a mere allegation. Anyone can allege another, it is not new, and you who could have known this much should be able to have one or two proofs to back it up too. I will never attack anyone. They say talk is cheap, but action is better, I expect that from you soon.