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legendary
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Farewell, Leo
January 20, 2024, 03:16:04 PM
#46
Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.
For the sake of the discussion, I don't believe Samourai devs are saint either. I mean, they are orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Wasabi, and I'm a whirlpool user myself, but we frequently notice Samourai vs. Wasabi disputes which ruin the reputation of both.

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one
Praising someone's death is undoubtedly one of the easiest ways to tarnish your reputation. However, there are numerous red flags associated with Wasabi's reputation. Even if you overlook Wasabi as an entity with all the falsehoods surrounding fungibility, address reuse, and the fact that zkSNACKs funds blockchain analysis, there's still a significant concern with Kruw himself serving as an alarm bell for Wasabi.

Deliberately disregarding every argument against Wasabi, resorting to whataboutism, and repeatedly using the same soundbites, accusing signature campaign participants of stealing users' coins without providing any evidence, believing that blacklisting in Bitcoin is sometimes necessary-- overall, his ethics seem to be a perplexing area.

How is he a wasabi dev/team member?
He has public stated he is a Wasabi contributor. If you check his Github page, he has worked on Wasabi.
hero member
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January 20, 2024, 12:53:38 PM
#45
Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

Asking for friends , as I took your word on this.

How is he a wasabi dev/team member?

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legendary
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Once a man, twice a child!
January 20, 2024, 12:19:52 PM
#44
Wasabi dev praising for someone's death.
That's a strong reason enough for me not to have anything to do with that Wasabi project.

What? @o_e_l_e_o is facing the inevitability of mortality and someone is somewhere rejoicing like they're immune to death? That's a serious dickhead, if you asked me. Really disgusting.

From afar, and having read many of your posts o_e_l_e_o, I'm compelled to confess that you made a tremendous impact on this forum. I feel saddened by this health issue of yours. I hope a miracle happens that turns things around for you.
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January 20, 2024, 11:25:39 AM
#43
Am I in the wrong campaign?
Wasabi is operated by a team which is caught lying frequently, supporting censorship, providing questionable levels of privacy, doxxing their competitors, and as Leo would put it, directly funding the enemy.

I do not decide what's morally right or wrong for you, that's usually Kruw's business. If you find it morally acceptable to advertise Wasabi after all this information, then so be it.

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

I slept on it. And I'm in the same boat.
Will be my last week as well.
legendary
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January 20, 2024, 10:51:27 AM
#42
Seeing as you DT distrust me and have never felt the compulsion to stand on your own two feet to say why you did so
I explained my reasons to you on multiple occasions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55093424
Still, not that it matters now - I'll drop off the DT selection algorithm soon enough.
If I were Leo, I wouldn't even create this thread.
I completely understand that position. But after many years here and several users I would consider friends, I felt I owed the community a basic explanation at least. And not to mention that this account would be highly valuable if sold, could be used to scam, could take out large no-collateral loans, and so on. Better to remove all doubt.

Thanks to the users who reported the trash and the mods who cleaned this thread up. I think it's probably run its course now. I've got a few more PMs to send over the coming days, but this will be my last post. Farewell everyone. Smiley

I started to draft my response to post within o_e_l_e_o’s Farewell thread, and then as the above post indicates, he closed it, and surely I would have preferred to have had made this particular post in that particular thread….  since I think that once the decision had been made to open such a thread, then a week or more would have been better to have had kept it open, as he had indicated in OP…. maybe even a couple of weeks would have had been even MOAR better to really allow for members to find out about the thread and to consider a post therein..  – even though surely the haters are going to come, and maybe I am thinking that it is just better to let the whole thing run once it had been decided to open it.. and some of the over-the-top haters’ posts will end up getting deleted… but some of those hater posts will likely continue to stand and even sometimes derailing the thread… but that’s how the forum has been going and is likely to continue to work, at least since I have been trying to pay attention to this forum...  and o_e_l_e_o’s already existing post history of 16,676 generally well-drafted posts (as far as I am able to tell) should speak for themselves to quite a bit of an extent, to the extent that they are not deleted, archive or otherwise lost (you know like some of the historical surprises of losing many of our earlier images, but now https://www.talkimg.com/ is mostly holding up.. but you never know about future loss of content).

I do consider that there likely is a bit of a dilemma regarding something like saying goodbye in a forum like this, and many folks cannot really know their own demise, and I cannot completely discount Leo’s own perceptions and/or judgement in this kind of a situation, yet we can ONLY speculate in regards to what kind of presumptively degenerative condition (that goes beyond mere aging) had been affecting him and continuing to affect him, and some conditions are more degrading on physical and mental performance than others, and who can know it one way of going would be better than another, and sometimes we might not know whether we have any options to choose our participation or our involuntary removal from participation whether it is in a forum like this or otherwise…

There likely are quite a few forum members who have had either gone through some kind of near death experience and/or come into some kind of experience of their own or even being close to others who are going through such experiences, that may help each of us to relate to reconsiderations of our own mortality.  

Having a longer term degenerative condition may well force more dealing with situations of thinking about mortality and even loss of physical and mental functions.. including my own ongoing concerns and mentioning in regards to how much energy any of us (including yours truly) might feel that we have to be able to engage in powerful physical and/or mental functions, versus still being able to function but not necessarily with a lot of power, and just not at the top of our game.  

Surely one of the benefits of the mental function is that it may well still be able to retain a decent amount of high performance in spite physical denigration, but the physical and the mental still remain connected, and recognizing that time might be coming closer to the end is likely more of a recognition that bodily functions are likely getting into further and further deteriorated states that are less and less likely to reverse in any kind of meaningful and/or life sustaining kind of way.

I appreciated some of the earlier posts in Leo’s farewell thread in which there was discussion of a need to fight until the end, and surely if someone has had a known degenerative condition for many years, then I would presume that there likely has been ongoing fighting, which Leo also mentioned, so we should not presume a lack of fighting, while still recognizing at certain points, it may well be better to voluntarily leave certain activities, such as posting in a forum like this, and to focus on other kinds of activities (such as spending time with family or even wrapping up personal matters, but then there also is still going to be a lot of solitary time.. so I cannot say how one might deal with that solitary time without necessarily knowing specifics).  Even if there might be little to no expectation of living further beyond a certain amount of time (such as a couple or maybe a few months), sometimes some of those timeline calculations could end up being correct, but there could end up being just changes in the activities and maybe the estimations regarding how much time is left that end up being wrong in either direction, yet we would still need to accept and go by o_e_l_e_o’s representations in terms of him being the person best to know how much time he estimates to remain for him and also how he chooses to spend such time, within his own presumptive limitations.

Over the years, I had come across quite a few of Leo’s posts, and even had a several interactions with him.  There may have been a time or two that someone referred to Leo rather than o_e_l_e_o, and maybe that could help to put a person to a nym, and surely one of the values of Leo’s historical posts still being available on the forum is that we will be able to go back through them, and maybe even understand some of them better upon reading them over and over.  I am not going to proclaim to always really know the meaning of Leo’s posts, since frequently he had been posting from experiences and knowledge areas beyond my own understanding, yet as many had already stated, I found his posts to be generally quite informative and well-articulated (whether I agreed with or understood all of his points or not), so sometimes, there can be meaning that is not recognizable on the first reading, yet at the same time, because of Leo's leaving, we won’t be able to interact with him in a live way, but we will ONLY be able to see the contemporary interactions of his historical posts, which may or may not help us in our attempts (or desires) to try to interact with his particular ideas in a live way… so in that sense there are differences between historical live and live, live, which surely is a sad thing to lose the live, live potentiality that comes from any currently active forum member.

I am not sure about the odds that Leo will see or read this post, and I do not necessarily want to put any additional pressure on him or to overly emphasize my already stated opinion that it would have had been better to just let his own Farewell thread run wee-bit moar longer…

Yet, I am still going to say farewell Leo and I hope that your final blue marble time is without any excessive pain or suffering… and if there is such a possibility for us to meet for some beers or otherwise in some kind of time/space hereafter then I am looking forward to such.  
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
January 20, 2024, 10:32:54 AM
#41
After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.
icopress had opinions in their favour in the past. Let's see if he has the same opinion now. At some point he must be convinced and took the responsibility to give them the platform to advertise the business. As the participants, it's hard to give a call when you are under a manager who managed some successful campaigns. But you did well.

If this guy is a Dev

Is he actually one? I stopped following the drama when it became repetitive and just stuck on the same replies, but has is there any proof of his connection with the team other than constant ass licking?

I can not verify the source but so far my understanding, he is one of the Dev. A complete piece of junk.

legendary
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January 20, 2024, 10:31:50 AM
#40
Why should I excuse or forgive

I've seen some of your posts and was kind of surprised by the way you see the things.

But this topic shows clearly, if it was still needed, the true you.
Sadly.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
January 20, 2024, 10:01:58 AM
#39
I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one, I'm seeing a thing that is supposed to be a human lifeform dancing on somebody's grave with a sign "Shoot me I'm a moron" in his hand!

If this guy is a Dev

Is he actually one? I stopped following the drama when it became repetitive and just stuck on the same replies, but has is there any proof of his connection with the team other than constant ass licking?
legendary
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January 20, 2024, 09:52:40 AM
#38
After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.
legendary
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January 20, 2024, 09:22:05 AM
#37
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I am still in the realm of thinking that how did he even know that he is going to die? It looks like illusion. I will never say Rest In Peace to a living legend. Saying farewell to someone which is still breathing is not supportive. There are some comments I also see here that is not really nice. And this is what someone did in the Ratimov's dead which I was trying to debunk but I was attacked so I declined from my statement to avoid conflict. There are some terms we don't have to use for the living.
legendary
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Goodnight, o_e_l_e_o 🌹
January 20, 2024, 07:31:09 AM
#36
You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.
I saw that you left a feedback in OP's profile and the feedback read thus; Shameful behavior rejoicing in the upcoming death of one of the best members of the forum, the champion of earned merit o_e_l_e_o
I was shocked at the write up and as well as o_e_l_e_o farewell thread. How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die? Common! This guy could survive this even against his believe. Let's be optimistic and expect the best.
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
January 20, 2024, 07:19:02 AM
#35
Kruw's posts on this board are single-handedly making the Wasabi signature campaign look bad. I mean how would it look if people see advertisements for a service whose contributors can't even show some respect for a dying person. These are things even those in favor of blacklisting would be against.
If this guy is a Dev and this is his moral then I don't think there is a reason to Trust Wasabi wallet. I wonder what is the thought of the people involved in the signature campaign including the manager involved in it. On the other hand, there were some other issues related to Wasabi wallet in the past. The forum does not moderate advertising except mixers in the recent days but I think as the member of the community we really need to avoid such projects that has people with low moral.

Someday something may go wrong and they will wish you to die. They may even expose your coin and report it to the agencies who are looking for your information.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
January 20, 2024, 06:45:55 AM
#34
Quote from: o_e_l_e_o
Still, not that it matters now - I'll drop off the DT selection algorithm soon enough.

If enough people trust you (like me), you will stay on DT2 forever.  Smiley
legendary
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January 20, 2024, 06:11:04 AM
#33
Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.  Wink
/s


Am I in the wrong campaign?



Kruw's posts on this board are single-handedly making the Wasabi signature campaign look bad. I mean how would it look if people see advertisements for a service whose contributors can't even show some respect for a dying person. These are things even those in favor of blacklisting would be against.
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January 20, 2024, 05:39:47 AM
#32
If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on.

I don't code.

Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

I know who the OP is.
Bro, you are entitled to all your opinions, but at times, we should be more human and be insensitive.

What I see you doing here is so insensitive. Fine, you and the guy could have had one or two issues together, but it is just a forum where we share opinions, and nothing more. We could be trolled at times or even get so angry but it shouldn't be unto death. This person is dying and what you could do is to be engaging in all sorts like this? It is certainly not fair.

The best you could have done is to just ignore the thread if you still hold a grudge against him. Let's be human for once.
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January 20, 2024, 02:27:08 AM
#31
This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?
You don't need to be excited for someone illness, now you wanna attack him back because of his condition or you are mocking him because what he put in writing concerning his life,  buddy you don't have to do that because life is like a spinning table and also inevitable, when you mock someone one God will put you in shoe of that person.
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January 20, 2024, 02:15:33 AM
#30
100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.
This to me looks like a mad man dancing on someone else's grave... certainly not the normal behavior from a healthy human being.
I didn't agree with some of the things said by o_e_l_e_o, and I had arguments with other members, but I would not wish anything bad to happen to any of them, even to my worst enemies.

Quote
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...

I've seen similarly abhorrent behavior from Samourai devs and their community. If somebody associated with Wasabi had suffered a misfortune I guarantee the trolling would be 10x worse. That being said, o_e_l_e_o isn't directly connected to Samourai so letting out their anger on him at this moment is unjustified.

When I felt he was misinformed I did my best to provide a counterargument and moved on. Getting personal and mudslinging when someone is trying to respectfully depart from this forum only undermines one's position.

I also don't agree with people using this opportunity, when everybody is piling on Wasabi, to act like they are saints and they would never advertise dodgy services with questionable ethics and flawed privacy. These are topics which can be debated at a later time when tempers have subsided and we can be more reasonable in our arguments rather than resorting to throwing tantrums and using ad hominems.
sr. member
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January 20, 2024, 12:48:25 AM
#29
We are called humans because we have human nature.

Actually, I think we have human nature because we are called humans.  Smiley

Human is human... Lol
hero member
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January 20, 2024, 12:39:51 AM
#28
I believe most people are like this Cheesy

Didn't mean to support @OP, but we should able (regardless you're want or not) to take criticism in internet when we're someone who stand up and can make a voice. The good thing is, the moderators already deleted the posts that purposely insults o_e_l_e_o. Smiley

Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
January 20, 2024, 12:26:21 AM
#27
We are called humans because we have human nature.

Actually, I think we have human nature because we are called humans.  Smiley
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