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January 28, 2024, 03:53:25 PM
#86
Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently just discovered everyone is a mortal.

I was trying to help you, and I came back to read this?

I did not address how anyone acted; I tried to help you express any actual concerns you had.   Not only did you mislabel my actions, but then you tried to use them as your evidence/"proof".

 Undecided  
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January 28, 2024, 03:44:59 PM
#85
People have the right to have a different opinions.  And thats okay - we all have our own views.

You are confusing an "opinion" with "knowingly lying about innocent privacy projects to stop people from using them".  o_e_l_e_o was harming the innocent on this forum for years, and I've provided proof of it.

But thats no reason to be a dick and wish death or harm on someone.

I didn't "wish death or harm on someone".  I posted the proof that exposes o_e_l_e_o was tricking Bitcointalk users into leaking their data and losing their coins to the government.
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January 28, 2024, 03:36:42 PM
#84
Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently just discovered everyone is a mortal.

You are a fucking idiot, simple as that. Fortunately, the community sees through your flawed judgment.

People have the right to have a different opinions.  And thats okay - we all have our own views.  Thats why there are platforms for discussion, such as this one.  But thats no reason to be a dick and wish death or harm on someone.  Thats the whole point here and you are the only one who doesnt see it!  There is no point in arguing with you about anything after this. 
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January 28, 2024, 03:18:55 PM
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Kruw, You could have continued posting your arguments in the wasabi topic but instead you came here… You could be right about wasabi, or maybe leo was right. I don’t really care because I am not interested in using that wallet anyway and haven’t read a single post in that thread. Why did you carry that debate to this topic? If people are interested in that discussion, they can go there see it themselves. The guy is dying, at this point do you think he cares what you think at all?

This isn't a "debate", it's proof that he's lying.  o_e_l_e_o has known the entire time that the privacy of the inputs in your wallet is not affected by coordinator policy, and that your data is not vulnerable to collection:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?
Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.
Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.
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January 28, 2024, 03:16:35 PM
#82
Kruw, You could have continued posting your arguments in the wasabi topic but instead you came here… You could be right about wasabi, or maybe leo was right. I don’t really care because I am not interested in using that wallet anyway and haven’t read a single post in that thread. Why did you carry that debate to this topic? If people are interested in that discussion, they can go there see it themselves. The guy is dying, at this point do you think he cares what you think at all? I didn’t agree with him on many occasions too. (In other topics) That doesn’t mean I should be a dick like you.
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January 28, 2024, 03:13:15 PM
#81
So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?

The lies begin immediately after that, where he starts going around every thread claiming that Wasabi coordinators can spy on you (when, as proved in the previous post, he knows that Wasabi coordinators can't affect your inputs or collect your data):

April 24 2022 - o_e_l_e_o highly recommends the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government and then lies about spying on Wasabi users being possible:

ChipMixer easily has the best and longest standing reputation among all bitcoin mixers.

CoinJoin service: Wasabi / Samourai / JoinMarket
Wasabi now spy on their users and censor transactions, so I would no longer recommend them.

April 25 2022 - To further fool this user to lose their funds and data, o_e_l_e_o blatantly lied about the verifiable open source software by falsely claiming that every user and every UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet will be monitored and surveilled, and that this survelliance applies specifically to Wasabi:

About 6 weeks ago, Wasabi announced on twitter that zkSNACKs, the entity which runs the coordinator for the all the coinjoin transaction which take place through Wasabi wallet, would start censoring some inputs and refusing to allow them to partake in coinjoins. Wasabi then explained on Telegram that they would be hiring a blockchain analysis company, which would monitor and surveil every user of Wasabi and ever UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet and decide which ones were and were not allowed to partake in coinjoins. They have since revealed that they did this voluntarily to protect their own operations and therefore their own profits, and not because they were forced to because of any government, law, or regulation.

Wasabi is now pro-censorship and anti-privacy. They should be avoided, unless you like seeing your coinjoin fees go straight to a blockchain analysis company which is being paid to spy on you and you specifically.

May 2 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses coordinators of being able to collect data:

Blockchain analysis is ultimately a process of deduction and induction.
A process which becomes much easier when the centralized coordinator is actively working with blockchain analysis companies and handing over all the data they collect.

May 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that users are required to trust open source software:

No idea, and given how shady Wasabi have been about this whole thing, don't expect them to be honest and tell us. Any "privacy" firm coordinating with blockchain analysis firms is not to be trusted though, and especially not one which is actively using your coinjoin fees to pay blockchain analysis firms.

June 12 2022 - NotATether emphasizes that the Wasabi Wallet software is “clean and uncompromised” in a thread posted about running the open source coordinator software:

The situation map is currently thus:

- The Wasabi wallet itself is still clean and uncompromised.
- But the default CoinJoin server used by Wasabi wallet (zksnacks) is now blacklisting "tainted" coins, an action which is intolerable to the community.
- Ignore the signature campaign for now, it is irrelevant to remedying the situation.


This thread exists to gather open source software on Github/Gitlab/etc. which allows the running of a Wasabi-compatible CJ mixing server. Software that cannot be plugged in to Wasabi should not be listed here. Since this battle is being fought against their main CJ server, and not analysis companies/exchanges/governments, we still have a chance for winning this, even if we are 3 months behind schedule (the announcment for the blacklisting was made last march).

Discussion on how to make such CJ software work for Wasabi (as well as the other way around) is also welcomed. Special attention should be given to getting these to run on low-powered Linux servers (think 8GB of memory or less).

June 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o emphasizes not to use open privacy software no matter who coordinates the transactions because his feelings are hurt:

I also wouldn't recommend using Wasabi at all, even with a non censoring coordinator. The Wasabi devs have revealed very clearly where their priorities lie: Those priorities are not with their users or protecting privacy, but solely with making profits. Obviously Wasabi is open source, but I'm still not going to use a wallet which is run by a team who are willing to voluntarily sell out their users for profits.

June 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses Wasabi of sacrificing user privacy:

It's not like Wasabi where they are sacrificing the privacy of the average user to cater to the bigger players.

August 13 2022 – o_e_l_e_o discourages tens of thousands of people from using open source Bitcoin privacy tools by lying and saying Wasabi compromises privacy:

Such an approach would require encouraging tens of thousands of people to download and use Wasabi and compromise their own privacy in doing so. Not a great approach.

November 5 2022 – Wasabi enables coinjoining, generates a new address for each payment, and prevents spying using block filters. Yet o_e_l_e_o is lying to encourage people to offboard software that preserves privacy and leak their addresses to the Samourai coinjoin coordinator instead:

One of reason Wasabi Wallet 1.0 become popular is due to user-friendliness while preserving few advance feature (address/UTXO selection).
There are plenty of other user friendly non full node wallets with such features. Granted, most don't provide coinjoins, but when you are also being spied on, censored, and having your addresses reused, then some might say a wallet without any of those features is better than Wasabi. Wink

It could be replacement of JoinMarket-Qt which need full node since Wasabi Wallet 1.0 is one of very few SPV desktop wallet with strong privacy feature (Tor by default and BIP 157 implementation).
If you don't want to run a full node then I would suggest Sparrow wallet as the next best option to access coinjoins.

Novermber 6 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about being able to spy on Wasabi users and tells everyone to send their coins to the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned their data over to the government:

And if you depend on third parties, then you are subjected to their rules, spying, and censorship, as we have seen in the case of Wasabi.

By using Sparrow you are still depending on third parties, but at least those third parties aren't in cahoots with blockchain analysis companies. But if that is still too complex for the average user to use without compromising their privacy in some manner, then you can just stick to ChipMixer.

February 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi feeding details to a blockchain analysis firm to avoid the truth that you can change coordinators:

People who are using Wasabi aren't generally going to bother changing coordinator, because anyone who actually cares about privacy and not having their details fed directly to a blockchain analysis firm isn't using Wasabi in the first place.

March 8 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server, claiming that coordinators can spy on them and claiming that they are “risking address reuse”

It is a mistake for BTCPay to implement this. Even if someone manages to get enough volume on a coordinator which doesn't spy on users and directly fund blockchain analysis, then they are still risking address reuse and therefore complete failure of what they are trying to achieve by coinjoining in the first place.

April 15 2023 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that Trezor allows blockchain analysis to monitor outputs in their hardware wallet

Cool, so I can get blockchain analysis entities to specifically monitor the outputs in my hardware wallet now. Just what I've always wanted! Roll Eyes

April 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tries to sabotage a user’s privacy by convincing them not to use the coinjoin feature in Trezor, which protects your xpub and IP address from being shared, and protects your on chain data from being tracked:

I regret ever suggesting that anyone should buy a Trezor, and I will never do so again. They have shown themselves to be anti-privacy and anti-fungibility, and are therefore not just selling out their users but are actively working against bitcoin itself, in order to line their own pockets.

As he says, however, if you already have a Trezor device (and no other hardware wallet you can swap to or can afford), you are probably safe to keep using it provided you don't go anywhere near the coinjoin feature. I also don't have a single shred of trust left for Trezor, though, so I would make sure you are using it through something like Electrum or Sparrow pointed at your own node and absolutely not relying on Trezor's servers. And when it comes to the time to upgrade or replace your hardware wallet, obviously do not buy another Trezor.

August 21 2023: BlackHatCoiner confirms that what a coordinator does with their money isn’t important for the coinjoin user:

I would also say "Service uses the fee you pay to hire a blockchain analysis company to spy on your inputs" is a pretty big con of Wasabi which you've missed.
What the default coordinator does with the money it makes isn't important for the coinjoin user, but for the integrity of their business.

Sure, but it is an objective fact that Wasabi use the fees you pay them to pay blockchain analysis companies for information about your UTXOs. And I would argue that is incredibly important for the coinjoin user.
What's important here is to break down what's user's best courses to accomplish mixing. Even if funding blockchain surveillance is completely contradictory to being proclaimed a pro-privacy service, that doesn't change their coinjoin process. Just as if Samurai announced that they're funding the Ukrainian war, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the coinjoin. It'd ruin their reputation, and people would stop using it; not because of effectiveness, but ethical concerns.

You can see in these quotes how he ushered multiple people into leaking their data and losing their coins to the government.  And o_e_l_e_o didn't even hesitate to lie about a legitimate privacy tool that could not scam him even though the OP of the thread specifically requested a legit service because he did not want to get scammed again:

Can you anyone recommend a Bitcoin mixing service that is legit, please? It seems there are a lot of scamming bastards around that purport to provide this service (I just had the misfortune of dealing with one).

Sincere thanks in advance.
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January 28, 2024, 03:06:41 PM
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Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

Yes.  Originally, o_e_l_e_o was fully aware that coinjoin coordinators can't affect your privacy, that proof is presented at the very top of the OP:

So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?   Where do the coinjoin coordinators claim they can affect privacy?
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January 28, 2024, 02:54:13 PM
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You can be both. But you don't have to be a "gentleman", just be a human being and show some empathy. That's usually enough.

Was o_e_l_e_o "being a human being" and "showing some empathy" when he was lying about vulnerabilities in open source Bitcoin privacy projects?

Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

Yes.  Originally, o_e_l_e_o was fully aware that coinjoin coordinators can't affect your privacy, that proof is presented at the very top of the OP:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?
Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.
Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

Man, can you stop what you're doing? You are arguing with a man who will probably never come here again, and in a very bad way.

I'm not "arguing" with o_e_l_e_o, I'm providing the proof against him to the community.

Have at least a little self-respect. If you look back a little, no one is replicating what you write anymore, but about the way you write, isn't that a clear signal that you have devalued your own opinion.

Exactly, these users above have resorted to simply talking shit because when they see the conclusive proof against o_e_l_e_o, there's no possible defense for his lies.  Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently they just discovered everyone is a mortal.
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January 28, 2024, 01:09:10 PM
#78
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Man, can you stop what you're doing? You are arguing with a man who will probably never come here again, and in a very bad way. Have at least a little self-respect. If you look back a little, no one is replying to what you write anymore, but about the way you write, isn't that a clear signal that you have devalued your own opinion.
With these kinds of performances, you are doing enormous damage to Wasabi, and if you care at least a little about the status of the brand, you will pull some brakes and start behaving at least maturely.

I'm not looking for any kind of reply to this, I hope you'll refrain and even if you lock this topic it would be ideal.
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January 28, 2024, 11:46:05 AM
#77
What mistakes have I made?  Provide a direct quote, and I'll correct it.

Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.  And the truth is, o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?
Example:  Do you have some PMs or posts where he discusses these crimes with others?
You would have a case if o_e_l_e_o was knowingly spreading lies for financial gain.  You should prove that.


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January 28, 2024, 11:32:15 AM
#76

Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.

You can be both. But you don't have to be a "gentleman", just be a human being and show some empathy. That's usually enough.
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January 28, 2024, 09:30:24 AM
#75
With each new post here you just solidify the general perception that you are a despicable human being.

Why didn't you make any attempt whatsoever to address the proof I provided against o_e_l_e_o?  It seems like you are just here to talk shit instead.
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January 28, 2024, 09:18:59 AM
#74

With each new post here you just solidify the general perception that you are a despicable human being.

If you cared at all about the reputation of Wasabi, you'd leave and never look back.


Same goes for you TBH, minus the Wasabi part.
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January 28, 2024, 06:33:22 AM
#73
Blah, blah, blah.

What a son of a bitch, you're lucky to be behind a keyboard who knows where otherwise you wouldn't be so cocky. I put you on ignore which is the best thing to do with a fucking retard like you.
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January 28, 2024, 06:12:57 AM
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Craig is a mentally sick son of a bitch. Nobody would care.

Look at the mountain of evidence proving o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government: Did you count whether Craig has lied about being Satoshi more times than o_e_l_e_o lied about Wasabi users being spied on?

What a miserable person.  Unbelievably!  If this is how the folks behind Wasabi Wallet act, I don't think I'd feel real confident using their product.  Whether this guy actually works for em or is just some shill it don't really matter - he basically showed that they got some issues with how they treat people.  I ain't tryin' to be mean, but his behavior here was definitely outta line and  the guys gotta get it together.

What does this complaint have to do with the evidence proving o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?  You can always have confidence when using Wasabi because every line of code is open source.

Have some respect, that person may literally lose his life and here you are whining about what he said in the past. No one cares about your little bitcoin project. You are retarded

I may lose my life too, so why aren't you holding o_e_l_e_o accountable for spreading lies about flaws in untraceable privacy software?  

100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.

Thanks for calling o_e_l_e_o out for the pathetic way he ruined his reputation.  Like satoshi said, "the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending", but o_e_l_e_o chose to lie about noncustodial open source projects to get people to trust third parties.

You don't have to wish someone else died because dead doesn't best suit for anyone out there but we must know that it's something inevitable and any one earth I mean everyone must surely face it, so don't wish else did or would you afford to die for anyone out there? Of curse No because I know life is sweet and Good every one out there would love to enjoy more good things about life instead of to leave the world just like that.

No one ever wished someone else died.  This thread is about o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

If you think that leo attacks you in your previous comments that doesn't mean that he is a mortal or not but you should know that he is passing good information because I know that leo is a very learned user and not just that, he is also reputable forum user who they so much respected over here.

o_e_l_e_o is not "learned" at all, you can see how he was spreading lies about address reuse being a "flaw" in coinjoins, which directly contradicts gmaxwell's and Peter Todd's reasoned explanations:

You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.

Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.  And the truth is, o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. Kruw, but you're such a dick. A miserable one!
Do you think you are a god or something like that?

The proof presented is against o_e_l_e_o, why are you flaming me?  Did you mean "Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. o_e_l_e_o, but you're such a dick!  A miserable one!  Do you think you are a god or something like that?"

Am I in the wrong campaign?

If you are in the Wasabi signature campaign and you support scamming people out of their Bitcoins with "mixing sites", then yes, you are in the wrong campaign since Wasabi is non custodial, zero knowledge software.

I felt this was a nasty piece too over something so...petty.
 If it bugs you that much why not PM?
Do you care about bitcointalk trust system so much you'd talk bad about em to em on their deathbed?
At this point community loses it purpose for you and you should step out for a bit.
  Even if he removes it, we will remember you said that.

That's the point, I want everyone to remember the proof that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Why are you addressing your own wallet as "Bitcoin"?

o_e_l_e_o wasn't just lying about Wasabi Wallet, he attacked multiple other open source projects (BTCPay Server and Trezor) with false accusations.

I have followed the debate very closely, and have read most of your posts and Leo's, he never criticized Bitcoin or Coinjoin privacy, and he explicitly criticized your wallet's address reuse and its association with chain analysis, since you can't be a gentleman and show sympathy to someone who is very sick, the least you could do is not accuse them of something they never did.

Did you hear gmaxwell's explanation about address reuse?

Am I in the wrong campaign?
Wasabi is operated by a team which is caught lying frequently, supporting censorship, providing questionable levels of privacy, doxxing their competitors, and as Leo would put it, directly funding the enemy.

BlackHatCoiner, why are you spreading the same lies that o_e_l_e_o is being exposed for in this very thread?  

So you must be immortal and above him and everyone else in this forum, you are above us all as übermensch  Angry
Nobody asked you for your opinion about his health condition, but so much negativity is coming from you that I would never use anything you are shilling.
Time for you to go and visit a shrink, I wish you speedy recovery.

My comments aren't about o_e_l_e_o's health condition, I'm exposing how o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

We are called humans because we have human nature. It's not easy to be in Leo's position, and one day we will also be in his position. Remember friends, we don't live forever. There is a lot of hatred in this world, but in certain conditions we need to prioritize humanity over ego and hatred.

Maybe one day I will make the same thread as Leo, and I'm sure I will miss you all, miss the friendship and enmity that exists here.

Everyone is in o_e_l_e_o's position since no one live forever, that doesn't excuse him attacking innocent open source non custodial privacy projects by accusing them of having fake flaws, does it?

I've seen similarly abhorrent behavior from Samourai devs and their community. If somebody associated with Wasabi had suffered a misfortune I guarantee the trolling would be 10x worse.

The Samourai developers are truly pieces of shit.  They flaunted a picture of the pioneer of JoinMarket on his sickbed on Twitter and mocked him - https://twitter.com/SamouraiDev/status/1733848330772283424

When I felt he was misinformed I did my best to provide a counterargument and moved on. Getting personal and mudslinging when someone is trying to respectfully depart from this forum only undermines one's position.

There's absolutely no mudslinging here.  I'm providing the facts and the timeline that exposes o_e_l_e_o once and for all.

You don't need to be excited for someone illness, now you wanna attack him back because of his condition or you are mocking him because what he put in writing concerning his life,  buddy you don't have to do that because life is like a spinning table and also inevitable, when you mock someone one God will put you in shoe of that person.

I'm not attacking o_e_l_e_o because of his condition, I'm exposing how o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Bro, you are entitled to all your opinions, but at times, we should be more human and be insensitive.

What I see you doing here is so insensitive. Fine, you and the guy could have had one or two issues together, but it is just a forum where we share opinions, and nothing more. We could be trolled at times or even get so angry but it shouldn't be unto death. This person is dying and what you could do is to be engaging in all sorts like this? It is certainly not fair.

The best you could have done is to just ignore the thread if you still hold a grudge against him. Let's be human for once.

This isn't a matter of "one or two issues" or "opinions":  Did you know o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.  Wink

Did you see the Samourai devs mocking the innocent once they become ill?  https://twitter.com/SamouraiDev/status/1733848330772283424

I would never mock the innocent.  I only expose the guilty.

If this guy is a Dev and this is his moral then I don't think there is a reason to Trust Wasabi wallet.

You don't have to trust Wasabi, it's trustless open source software.  Regardless, I'm not a dev anyways.

I wonder what is the thought of the people involved in the signature campaign including the manager involved in it. On the other hand, there were some other issues related to Wasabi wallet in the past. The forum does not moderate advertising except mixers in the recent days but I think as the member of the community we really need to avoid such projects that has people with low moral.

What are the "other issues related to Wasabi Wallet in the past"?

Someday something may go wrong and they will wish you to die. They may even expose your coin and report it to the agencies who are looking for your information.

No one can "expose your coin and report it to the agencies" when you use Wasabi, it's anonymous software.

I saw that you left a feedback in OP's profile and the feedback read thus; Shameful behavior rejoicing in the upcoming death of one of the best members of the forum, the champion of earned merit o_e_l_e_o
I was shocked at the write up and as well as o_e_l_e_o farewell thread. How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die? Common! This guy could survive this even against his believe. Let's be optimistic and expect the best.

Why would anyone call o_e_l_e_o "one of the best members of the forum" since he was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

Can you explain to me what moral principles prevent you from supporting non custodial anonymous money?

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one, I'm seeing a thing that is supposed to be a human lifeform dancing on somebody's grave with a sign "Shoot me I'm a moron" in his hand!

What about o_e_l_e_o's fake attacks on Wasabi's reputation by lying to people about being spied on?

I've seen some of your posts and was kind of surprised by the way you see the things.

But this topic shows clearly, if it was still needed, the true you.
Sadly.

What posts are you talking about what what are you surprised by?

I can not verify the source but so far my understanding, he is one of the Dev. A complete piece of junk.

Why are you looking for proof that I'm a dev when I'm not?... You should be looking at the proof that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

From afar, and having read many of your posts o_e_l_e_o, I'm compelled to confess that you made a tremendous impact on this forum. I feel saddened by this health issue of yours. I hope a miracle happens that turns things around for you.

The impact o_e_l_e_o made caused users to lose their Bitcoins and have their data turned over to the government.  His deliberate miseducation on Bitcoin privacy topics poisoned this entire community.

For the sake of the discussion, I don't believe Samourai devs are saint either. I mean, they are orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Wasabi, and I'm a whirlpool user myself, but we frequently notice Samourai vs. Wasabi disputes which ruin the reputation of both.

You told everyone not to use Wasabi because people reuse addresses, why do you use Whirlpool if they reuse addresses?

Deliberately disregarding every argument against Wasabi, resorting to whataboutism, and repeatedly using the same soundbites, accusing signature campaign participants of stealing users' coins without providing any evidence, believing that blacklisting in Bitcoin is sometimes necessary-- overall, his ethics seem to be a perplexing area.

The evidence is your literal confession, you literal scammer:

I really can't believe this is an exit scam. The service seemed legitimate.

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.
Regardless of how we might feel about a person, their character, morals, religion, or whatever we should still be able to show a person compassion and be empathetic to their situation.

Every single 1 of us is going to face health issues in life. You may or may not still be an active user on this forum. You may or may not be a likeable member.

If you post about a health situation you are facing, do you want people to ridicule you or post bad things for their own agenda? It's pretty shameful behavior.

That's my point.  If everyone is going to die, why are you praising someone who was exposed for knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

You are Piece of excrement.

Why do you think I'm a "Piece of excrement" for trying to save people from o_e_l_e_o scamming them out of their Bitcoins and financial data using custodians?

I can't believe reading what's being said by a human to human. If ppl have different opinions they shouldn't let their humanity die when they discover bad news. When I've been active in my EPS or bitcoin topics Leo's posted to helped. He's helped ppl for a long time so his forum status can't be changed but Kruw won't be considered a good person. He won't leave the forum it doesn't matter because his rep's going to be blacklisted look his trust's in free fall.

You misunderstand - o_e_l_e_o doesn't have a "different opinion", he was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

A massive, steaming pile of it on a hot summer day, surrounded by flies.

Disgusting behaviour by the OP, he should he ashamed of himself.

What's disgusting about trying to save people from o_e_l_e_o scamming them out of their Bitcoins and financial data using custodians?  Why should I be ashamed for getting people to use Bitcoin non custodially and anonymously?

Two things got me upset about this thread, the first is that OP created this just to draw the curtain on the reputation of someone who doesn't like his own idea or concept, I can't believe that what has been discussed and become past are still still resurrecting in your mind with Leo to the extent that you're taking it personal, if I don't like the concept with wasabi doesn't mean we should take that mentality to affect our human relations.

Not to the point of someone dieing and you're not still concerned about anything than to keep ressurecting dead discussions about wasabi, how is discussion on Bitcointalk has much to do about our relationship with others and personal life, the talk in Bitcointalk gives everyone right to talk his own, even if we are not ok bu it, if you can be this carlos in proxy, I wonder how terrible you will be in real life.

The idea and concept of having noncustodial anonymous money is the only thing stopping the world from becoming a dystopia.  It's always worth it to resurrect discussions to ensure people are educated about the threat of trusted third parties.

What do we care about you because you are nothing more than a human being who never used the left brain or the right brain while being human.
If you have used the two functions of the left brain and the right brain, then you will not have thoughts like that.

Even though it's useless to respond to your rotten thoughts towards someone who has taught many users who have just joined the forum through his thoughts in every post, one of them is me who learned a lot from him.

o_e_l_e_o miseducated Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

I’ve been going over every line in your OP, quote and all but yet, I still can’t wrap my head at the character you seem to portray here. I remain in some disbelief as to how inhuman you chose to portray yourself over the hurt to a family, forum and people in the life of one who would be seen for an icon/idol to many over some claims. Like, this unique personality’s demise doesn’t mean nothing to you… am disgusted and you don’t act like one that should belong with any community.

I've updated the OP with multiple years of proof of o_e_l_e_o's deceptive behavior.

The Op is just being a sadist. Harboring a grudge on someone who won't know you exist soon enough is the highest form of stupidity for me. So, what? Because o_e_l_e_o called you out on your shit coin and you decided that the best way to avenge is to care less about his death or be happy about it? Dude if I were you, I'd go do something productive with my life. Seems you are lacking inspo and you feel taking a pass at him will get you some form of satisfaction, eh?.

o_e_l_e_o didn't "call out a shit coin", he fabricated lies about non custodial open source Bitcoin projects that provide complete privacy for your transactions without trusting any third parties.

You even opening a thread about it just shows how low of a thinker you are. I hope you're happy you're getting replies to this sick thread.

I didn't open the thread, staff did.

OP, you shouldn't forget that no one is immortal, and we are going to die soon, and no one will live here forever. Nobody knows who is going to die next, and stop acting like you are in the better position to judge others, because your own judgment awaits you someday. Leo has done more good to the forum than you. You don't need to be happy over someone's departure from the world, this is how people will also be happy when you die.

I can't wait for my posts to be scoured and judged because I live my life honestly.

OP has made his own mistakes and harmed himself which makes him bad on this forum because of his stupidity who has no conscience forgiving people who are no longer there. And it's a shame, because most people will take good care of their profile so they don't want their reputation to be tarnished with red ink, no matter how small, it will have fatal consequences if they don't take care of it.

What mistakes have I made?  Provide a direct quote, and I'll correct it.

The quality of a person's life lies when we have forgiven people who have hurt us or whatever it is with sincerity so that that person lives or dies in a calm and peaceful state, and I really don't like OP's attitude because it only shows that the quality is very low, even lower than land.

Uhh, no.  Victims forgive people who hurt others, heroes defeat people who hurt others.  Heroes are higher quality than victims, that's why I've chosen to be a hero and expose o_e_l_e_o's years of attacking open source non custodial Bitcoin privacy projects.
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January 27, 2024, 06:36:56 PM
#71
Prove my words didn't play on e.i. e.i. e.i. Leo's conscience given his last act was to pull the plug on all of those he distrusted as well as trusted.


Old MacDonald had a farm... E.I. (all together now)

He might have considered completely wiping his trust (both negative and positive) as the right thing to do, and your own position (or assertions, or whinings) may not have played much of a role in his decision, except perhaps reminding him that he should consider whether to wipe his trust or to just leave it in its latest state.  

To me, it seems that he could have gone either way in regards to whether to completely wipe it or to wipe parts of it, and maybe if I am second guessing him, then it may have been better for him to have had wiped it once he had announced that he was purposefully leaving the forum based on his own assessment of his short-time line left in this world...

On the other hand, if he had not announced anything in regards to his leaving, then maybe the better thing would have had been to just let the trust list stay in its then current state-of-affairs...

There is another theory that maybe you, Timelord2067, bullied him (alternatively the squeaky wheel gets the oil theory) into doing something that he probably should not have had done, and even though you are claiming to have had an influence on what he did, none of us can really completely know anyhow, even if o_e_l_e_o (Leo) were to make one more post explaining why he ended up choosing to completely wiped his trust list..

By the way, I had personally considered adding o_e_l_e_o to my own trust list, but surely now that he had wiped his trust list, my adding him would have no effect beyond symbolic, since at some point theymos may well end up locking o_e_l_e_o's account in the same kind of way that he had locked Satoshi and Lauda's accounts.

I do find it persuasive to either add or to remove someone from your own trustlist in order to counter-act some of what might have had happened in the members trustlist, but sometimes our information ends up being somewhat incomplete in terms of feeling comfortable to be able to make some of these kinds of judgements about trustlist adjustments from time to time.
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January 27, 2024, 11:33:39 AM
#70
OP has made his own mistakes and harmed himself which makes him bad on this forum because of his stupidity who has no conscience forgiving people who are no longer there. And it's a shame, because most people will take good care of their profile so they don't want their reputation to be tarnished with red ink, no matter how small, it will have fatal consequences if they don't take care of it.
The quality of a person's life lies when we have forgiven people who have hurt us or whatever it is with sincerity so that that person lives or dies in a calm and peaceful state, and I really don't like OP's attitude because it only shows that the quality is very low, even lower than land.
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January 27, 2024, 06:00:48 AM
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OP, you shouldn't forget that no one is immortal, and we are going to die soon, and no one will live here forever. Nobody knows who is going to die next, and stop acting like you are in the better position to judge others, because your own judgment awaits you someday. Leo has done more good to the forum than you. You don't need to be happy over someone's departure from the world, this is how people will also be happy when you die.
I don't think it's appropriate neither efficient to tell to anyone that "people will also be happy when [they] die", even if they told it themselves to someone else, especially in such circumstances. Evilness doesn't cure evilness, it only spreads it further. Disturbed minds often legitimate retroactively their harmful actions by the punishment they receive. "Since people hurt me or wish to do it, I was right to hurt them." So if someone is mean, IMO we shouldn't stoop to their level and become like them, but rather stay true and upright to our ethics and lead by example.
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January 27, 2024, 05:56:42 AM
#68
Prove my words didn't play on e.i. e.i. e.i. Leo's conscience given his last act was to pull the plug on all of those he distrusted as well as trusted.




Old MacDonald had a farm... E.I. (all together now)
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January 26, 2024, 08:37:04 AM
#67
Speaking of harbouring a grudge - the thin skinned DT Trolls are now using the trust feedback system as a note book / post it note to project their never ending anger on others as evidenced by this latest pissing against my trust feedback wall by two without hope thin skinned DT Trolls:

DT is like a woman - the harder you try to get her back, the more she runs away from you.
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