Topic: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! - page 17. (Read 51141 times)

I don't think you saw my reasoning for complying with Josh's requests. It was my fiduciary duty to do so. It was because I wanted to protect the investments of others above myself. I can hardly fathom how one could interpret that as greedy.


Thank you Maged.

I Guess nobody is so retarded to log on their sockpuppet accounts without using a proxy and/or Tor.

You could have accepted the forced refund like a man. You decided to publicly humiliate yourself because of greed - a refund was not good enough, you wanted your money printing machine even if that meant giving up honor and basic principles.

And because of greed you have a sockpuppet you use to scam people in auctions.

Unless Josh the sociopath has faked the screenshot he posted, he has exposed you as a greedy scammer.

Sad indeed.

Many thousands of people seem to think so, only time will tell.

There are signs that Avalon may be preparing to open orders for a batch #4, seems that their online support ticket system now has "Fourth Batch" as a support tick menu option.

You can always place new order for an ASIC from BFL or elsewhere IF ONLY you take some precautionary steps to secure your investment. Read the Manual:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/purchasing-bitcoin-asics-the-manual-136615

Really good point, but would you place a new order for a BFL ASIC today? If you placed a BFL order right now, do you think you could get it before you could get a similar product elsewhere?

I think it's because Josh is an asshole. I could be wrong, maybe he has a mental disorder or something instead so don't quote me on this. All I know is that I'm not buying anything from BFL ever.

It's pretty obvious if you want an ASIC mining rig, what else is there? No more Avalon batch announcements, KNCminer have never shipped a thing, so your alternatives are very limited, you can wait months for one of the numerous Avalon chip board projects to be produced, which have their own long waiting queues. BFL and Block Erupter seem to be the only things actually shipping that you can order.

Im a neutral spectator to all of this, but i don't find it very funny. Lets talk more about BFL. First, we can all agree BFL fucked up with delays and false promises.In bitcoin mining, time = money, making this unforgivable. In addition, this isn't just a normal (looking forward) lost year of mining,[it was at a super easy difficulty AND before the current arms race. How is this not mentioned every time this is brought up? For what its worth, the reason Friedcat deployed so fast & skipped venture capital funding was to take advantage of these two things.

If i were in charge of butterfly labs, I'd be doing everything I could to build confidence within my customers, or at least making them feel as if they aren't getting royally screwed. What I really can't understand is why Josh goes the other way and continues to rant. In a business such as bitcoin, trust is everything as counter-party risk (in this anonymous environment) is humongous. Threatening people with a loss of equity (that's what a refund is at this point) does not build confidence. I know you're human, and nobody likes to get yelled at, but your company failed on a promise. That is the territory that comes with failing to live up to self-set expectations. You had no problem taking the money in at pre-order time right? You're supposed to be a professional businessman, and part of that involves rising above hate directed at you when you were clearly in the wrong.

I have a question for Josh:

If you were a bitcoin miner, at this point why in the world would you buy a BFL product? Anyone who recently purchased a BFL product from BFL PLEASE feel free to chime in.



 This situation has many things in common with this Bitinstant fiasco I was unfortunately apart of: (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/official-newbie-bitinstant-support-thread-active-customer-support-128314)

In this thread, URSAY complains that he doesn't like to be yelled at because he is a human being behind a computer. We all had to go along wit it as he openly said it was our only chance of recouping our coins (and not getting completely scammed). When you owe a debt, you're not in a position to be making demands about your treatment. STFU and fix the problems at hand   FYI, the thread is so long because Bitinstant didn't deliver THAT many people's coins.

Situations like these (atleast for bitinstant) seem to create patterns that continue over time.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitinstant-complaints-flare-up-after-beta-site-launch/



 I want to add one thing: Josh, why don't you outline reasonable dates you think you can accomplish pre-orders by? What if you picked dates and put up a bounty that customers received ____ bitcoins if their order isn't shipped by then? You restore confidence by outlining a plan you're willing to put $ behind.

On a more important note than the smear campaigns:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/200-wednesday-june-19-2013-shipping-update.html

He faked the quote, but the screenshot is legit.

I have no evidence to support this claim but it's my best guess.

This is absurd.

The original post from Werner's account was made at 3:03.  Removed sometime between then and when Garr255 posted it on the correct account at 4:04:


Then Inaba posted less than 2 minutes later with the screenshot:


So the time is incredibly tight.  Are you trying to suggest that Inaba pulled off this photoshop in 2 minutes and managed to pick the otherwise random forum poster in this thread who coincidentally has multiple posts in his history that directly support and/or shill Garr255's auctions?

That all seems pretty unlikely.

I've corrected it for you. Partial BTC refund is nothing but robbery. If BFL accept payments in BTC they should also honor full BTC refunds. If they don't they should not accept payments in BTC. BFL crooks get free option call at expense of their customers (rather investors). No court of law will accept this as a normal commercial practice.

Blackmail - BFL Approved.

Why stand in the way of seeking the truth?
I am the admin of a couple of forums, and I don't have a problem trawling though logs for something if people ask, though I use phpBB3, I am sure SMF is easy enough. Obviously not a job for a moderator, it would usually require higher permissions than that.

 Hey, while you are here, I have a call scheduled tomorrow afternoon. Can I get a formal acknowledgement that you are ignoring our first letter ? Would help me plan my day better.

 *hugs*

Please, present your evidence then Maged.  You are full of shit, plain and simple.  There's proof positive via screen shot, tons of circumstantial evidence and if SMF is worth a shit, there should be easily verifiable tracking information via soft delete and IP logs to finish it all off.  What "evidence" do you have that I faked any of it? 

But lets examine the whole premise... why would I even BOTHER to fake that, in that particular manner?  That doesn't even make sense... if I'm going to fake something, it would be something far more damning than THAT post.  In fact, I'll even let you, Maged, remote into my machine and examine the browser window to verify it for yourself.

+1

There's enough evidence here suggesting that the quote and screenshot are fake that, if I were theymos, I would deny any request regarding the authenticity of the post.

Looks like an investigation into Inaba may be the result.  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2527156

Order placed 8/30/2012
BFL updates- just a few more weeks.
BTC lost for failed delivery - 860 BTC since December 2012 (90 days give for delivery)
And all I get for this is Josh talking shit, forcing refunds to people who call BFL out on their bullshit, and now this "Oh look at what Garr did, forget that we haven't delivered in over a YEAR, look at Garr he has two accounts.

Hey Josh, good luck in court.