Topic: Religious beliefs on bitcoin - page 24. (Read 22413 times)

Heard. If you think you're god, your argument is with God.


Really I was talking about the kind of books that lead one to where you are at now, and where I used to be. I'm not a book-burning kind of person, but I've learned: It's garbage in, garbage out.


Figurative! Translated: If I had the time, I could analyze and refute the statements, premises and intentions of the above mentioned categories of books, at least the ones I have read and are aware of. Work with me here.


Sorry, you honestly kinda lost me there.

EDIT: If you don't believe a thing in the book, of course you're going to think the derived ideas are terrible. I just happen to have more to go on now than the book itself.

A literary personification of your own psyche is not a person. You are a person. I gave you enough respect to analyse what you have to say, I might expect the same. Speaking of pronouns goddammit, why draw the line at she? Why not "me" or "you?" Those pronouns do not require that you point into the depths of space, but at living, breathing human beings that measurably.affect reality.
We know we are real, we know we affect our own lives. No guesswork, no tithing, no filter, no handing your mind over to someone else.

anyone who is religious is deluisional and desperate for an answer

They'd be a tad more popular if tons upon tons of people didn't associate them with the mark of the beast and evil.
Talking about my reactionary religions in a thread about religion, and how it slows btc adoption, and how to work around folks taking the bible as bald truth.

It takes far more self righteous ego to project God as the undeniable universal absolute known only to your particular favored translation, upbringing and adult experience than it takes to allow yourself to take sole responsibility for your own life, values, and perception of reality. In my opinion, of course- to answer your question.

Do you suspect ALL OF THE BOOKS EVER?
Take a quick look at the dewey decimal system up to the fourth decimal place. The religion section alone is humongous due to the dominant christian urge to monopolize ideology.
Please don't tear every book ever written apart cover to cover. Nobody would ever see you finish.
The bible did more good than harm because books don't do harm. Books only codify ideas. People, however, got lots of terrible ideas from lots of terrible books.
You could argue the bible is not one of those terrible books, but even you wouldn't believe you.

I'm not so sure there is any such thing as a person.  The thing we call "I" and "Me", is nothing more that a thought. And since we cant control our thoughts, we have no free will.
We are nothing but robots, following out our programming with the belief we are someone.  All part of evolution.

All this religious stuff, is just another layer of belief.

So... How 'bout them bitcoins?

Many people refer to the Holy Spirit as "It".  The problem is that in scripture the Holy Spirit is referred to as a person.  I am perfectly fine if for whatever reason you feel the Holy Spirit is a "She."  The point is that the Spirit is not a "thing" that is manipulated or used but He/She is a person that speaks to us, comforts us, and walks with us.  According to the Bible, there is neither male nor female in heaven so this is a non-issue to me.  Of course, men might want to disagree.

Also, you are right. I am deciding what to listen to and what influences my mind.  I have found I need to have a filter on at all times.  I go about this by using this verse: "Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."   I try to use this yardstick for everything that I spend time on.    So applying this to Bitcoin:  I think it is true, right, can be used for noble things if the person decides to and is excellent.   

Does it not take more pure, unaided ego-centric faith to believe that one is god than to take it on authority of scripture that God is external and sovereign, albeit arbitrary?

I suspect I know the books you wish others to read, and given what I've seen and been through, I can tear them apart from cover to cover. They certainly did more harm than good. Do be careful what you choose to read, it can become a regrettably inextricable part of you.

I have to be honest here. You lost me at "Him." I can't wrap my head around the need to externalize my emotions into the form of a man. I feel this is degrading, disempowering. It makes me feel inadequate to care for myself- like I ought to be ashamed of being a her, not even capitalized H.
I am a librarian. I love books. Looking to a book for advice and guidance is what literate people must do. Limiting yourself to one book is bad. A variety of voices will give you a well rounded outlook on every subject.
When someone reads a beautiful book, old, new, technical manual, autobiography, novel, whatever it is, that someone grows. No matter how hard.anyone studies anything,.at the end of the day we have our prejudices, biases, ideas, interpretations, revisions and opinions about our reality, all influenced only in part by what we have read, heard, seen, felt. There can never be a way to not trust yourself to decide right and wrong.
You are deciding to listen. You are the one making choices about what ideas influence you. It is imperative that you take responsibility for your own mind, your own taste and broaden your horizons.

Replace "blindfold" with "book." This is precisely what I feel when I see someone letting tradition and a single collection of books that have been more extensively rewritten and resold, mistranslated, butchered and mangled from a not actually THAT old original text think for them. I hope you can see that the point Im trying to make is that the bible is only one book in a countless sea of deeply moving literature.
You have no idea how much worse it feels to disagree with your Jesusfreak peers about such basic stuff in the way a non christian does in a predominantly christish context. Check your privilege before you start feeling like you need to save those you do not even claim to understand.
Coming back around we are left with our own personal, private moral dillemas that no amount of focused, unquestioning, faithful self indoctrination can ever facilitate without our own being to make the final judgement.
In conclusion, You are your own God, you should feed your god the gods of the past, and not only feed it The Bible's cocacola and mcdonalds. Your god will get very sick if you only feed it one meal, and meals based around a happymeal.

In my opinion religion is a mutated form of spirituality, mutated into a system usually designed to oppress or instill a central authorities rules on everyone else. New cults still plague 21st century nations today, like popular religions the cult leader teaches rules to abide, ways the dress, rituals and so on. Humans are easily led and conditioning from childhood pretty much multiplies that effect. I would much rather meditate and find out about my own existence rather than rely on some passed down 51% attacked scripture. The funny thing is I would say the most peaceful kind of people are those who are left living in jungles and other remote areas unaffected by any of our popular religious/cultural systems.

Also lol at that premise of the op, you could liken the concept to not being able to play a PS3 or sending emails. 

It kinda makes me sick too. Remember, correlation is not causation. You can call me a religious fanatic (perhaps I've demonstrated that), but I've never preached conquest like that. The only problem I have with the present anti-war movement is an inherent ignorance of certain major geopolitical realities, disposed of in favor of details which suit the cause.

We all do well to evaluate each message we hear for it's motive.

My own motive is simply to share the few things that I've found true after decades of wandering, exploring, testing, and evaluating. The lowest common denominator is this: My faith is weak, but my saviour is faithful.

I hear you and yes it has become a secular ideal. The nanny state that believes it has a mandate to create world peace can not be considered specifically religious but hidden inside every presidential speech is the message of God and country. When ever I hear a president call for a moment of silent prayer or invoke Lincoln I cringe because I realize we are about to go kill lots of people.

Early militancy was symptomatic of Roman Catholic control of the church (and it's offshoots), wherein the bible was not taught to its subjects, only religiously recited in Latin, which few knew. Meanwhile even protestants had to fight for their lives. Do you know what they did to Tyndale?

This was all pretty far askew from the ideals espoused by Jesus, in fact more the behavior of religious Pharisees, whom Christ sternly rebuked.

Catholicism is now much more broad and well informed, responsible for a lot of good work, and IMHO are becoming less attached to the more heretical teachings, but still quite far from some of Jesus' own admonitions.

Now, if you're referring to Bush putting the US in Iraq, I don't know any Christians that honestly thought that was a good idea. It really didn't follow with 9/11, it seemed to follow Bush Sr. At any rate, they say that the chemical WMDs that had been there ended up in Syria (which fits), so it might not have been completely baseless.

Much of American "oppressive militancy" is on it's face the attempt (perhaps wrongly) to secure peace and democracy amongst cultures which do not value peace, democracy, or even respect for life. Whatever ulterior motives you assign (and there probably are a few), that is the position and objective which the majority of soldiers adhere to, and many peaceful locals do recognize that their intentions are good, their actions generally necessary to prevent takeover by absolutely ruthless and fanatical factions. A full and proper hand-off of power, however, could take generations. We definitely bit off more than we can chew there, but it seems to me that it was at least as much because of secular world peace idealism as anything else.

It's so hard to nail down if that's meth, poesy, manic psychosis or just real shit writing.  

   And there are people who order their lives according to principles of the Force and Algebra as well.

Do I have no idea what right or wrong is without God? 

Personally, I do think that God or more precisely, the Holy Spirit (or our "conscience" as some people call Him) does speak to us and tell us what "right and wrong" is.  Where does our sense of compassion come from?  Most would say from parents or society or it has "evolved" but I believe God puts that in our hearts and speaks to us.  Also, I use the Bible as my moral compass as well when my own selfish desires get in the way of what really is the right thing to do.   The Bible says "There is a way that seems right to a man but it leads to death."   That is why I need to read the Bible and make sure I am not just making up my own ideas of what right an wrong are.   The more I listen to Him, the more compassionate I can become.  The more loving I can be.  The more I can care about others, regardless of their beliefs, be it atheist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.  I don't have to agree with people that think differently than I do, but I  need to love them and try to show them that God loves them too.  The difficulty is that in "loving" them, I often feel a compelling sense of showing them that they are on a destructive path.

Let's imagine this.  Hundreds of people are on the top of plateau with a huge cliff all around.  They are all blindfolded.  However, you are not.  The people are walking towards the edge of the cliff.  Do you just let them walk off to their death or would you try to stop them from going over the edge?  Probably the best thing to do would be to try and convince them that they are wearing a blindfold!  But in a strange way many don't even realize they have one on at all and they do not listen, or even argue with you.  You care deeply about them so you get more and more intense.  Maybe one or two take off their blindfold and then see that they almost plunged to their death without even realizing it.

This is how it feels as a Christian.  We believe God has miraculously helped us "see" (we once were blind but now we see).  Out of compassion for those that cannot see we try desperately to get others to see the truth (sometimes people who say they are Christians do not do this in a loving or compassionate way I admit!  This angers me more than anything too BTW! Also, Jesus got more angry at people like this too than any others) So it is a problem for sure.  How to love without offending.  How to care without coming across as pushy, arrogant?  Should we just let others choose their own path without doing anything at all?  It seems that is what most people want us to do.  "Live and let live."  But is that the "moral" thing?  Is that the right thing? 

The Force from Star Wars, as well as algebra, are based in reason too.

As soon as the rapture is ushered in by the arrival of Santa Claus departing from the tail of Haley's Comet we're all screwed.

Bitcoin will waken the Kraken and Fenrir will devour the world.