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legendary
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May 30, 2013, 12:42:35 PM
^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

Yes!  The thing that comes to my mind is one of the greatest Christian lyricist of all time:  Steve Taylor's "Whatever Happened to Sin?"
http://www.lyricsmania.com/whatever_happened_to_sin_lyrics_steve_taylor.html
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May 30, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"
legendary
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May 30, 2013, 12:29:01 PM
I am deciding what to listen to and what influences my mind.  I have found I need to have a filter on at all times.

Sounds to me like you are describing that blindfold you mentioned earlier, and that you are the one trying to get others to put on the blindfold as opposed to "seeing" and being frustrated at others wearing blindfolds.
How is selectively picking what you allow yourself to see and read supposed to be "opening your eyes and seeing?"

That is a good question.  I can see your point.  I have no problem studying all religions and beliefs or philosophies or even reading books that I do not "agree" with.  It is really important to understand others and where they are coming from.  I think many Christians are ignorant about what others believe.  All religions have some good elements in them, otherwise why would anyone follow them?  So in order to respect others, it is really important to try to understand them!  That said, there are things that I can instantly know is not right and be selective and not allow myself to look at.  For example, pornography is one thing.  It is degrading to women.  I suppose someone could justify it in that it celebrates the beauty of women, etc, but I think that it leads to lust and thoughts that are not "pure" so I try to to avoid having it around our house.  I really don't want to expose my kids to it either.  So, I shelter myself, and my children from it.  Or songs that are violent, angry, full of cussing etc.  What good comes from that?  I am not necessarily opposed to any style of songs, per se, although I really don't care for rap too much, but if the message behind the song is good then I thing is is great.  There are many TV shows I will not watch after watching it once or twice.  Why?  The message in the show is trying to promote a lifestyle, or thinking that is hedonistic.  I have found in my life that if I allow those things in I slowly begin to think that those things are normal.  We can see the shift in our own society.  There were things that were not accepted 50 or 60 years ago that are now "normal."  Many would say that is a "good" thing.  I, on the other hand, think it is a dangerous movement.  Also, there are so many different ideas out there.  How does one know what truth really is?  We are in a world that is getting to a point where there is almost no belief in absolute truth at all.  Everything is becoming more relative.  I personally believe in absolute truth and that my foundation is the Bible.  This is my own personal belief and I know many of you will stop reading right there and say I am a Bible-thumper and discredit everything else I say.  But that is where I am coming from.  I suppose someone could argue that the Bible is my "blindfold."  I think the Bible has become my lens that I try to look through to measure what is good, right, pure etc.

I guess the question I have is why wouldn't people selectively pick what they watch?  Do they think that they can just watch anything and it won't affect them? Do they see things that they don't agree with but then not worry about it affecting them? Maybe they do not even have a moral compass by which to measure things?  I think it is just that whatever is entertaining, or interesting, or funny, or makes them feel good etc. is what most people watch, read, or fill their minds with, personally. (not all people I know)

Also, it is wrong to try to shelter myself, or my children, from things that are not wholesome?  

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May 30, 2013, 12:28:45 PM
If you don't believe a thing in the book, of course you're going to think the derived ideas are terrible. I just happen to have more to go on now than the book itself.

Where did you get the other things if not from the book?

From life itself.. walking with God for a change, trusting Christ and finding him faithful every single day since, and finding this verse quite true. I wish I had time to elaborate, but that's the root of it.

So why bother with Christianity and belief in god at all, if he'll just guide you anyway? Or are you saying that you can only get life education and guidance if you believe in god?

You missed the premise, IF you love, obey, and believe him, THEN his personal walk with you is a natural consequence of that. I attest to that wholeheartedly.

You can get life education anywhere. Unfortunately you can also get spirit education anywhere, but it just happens to lead you in every single direction except to the in-the-flesh, resurrected Jesus, unless it comes from God.

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Jhn 14:1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me.

2 My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

4 You know the way to the place where I am going."

5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

...

legendary
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May 30, 2013, 12:17:56 PM
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

38  this is the first and greatest commandment.

39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

See, I find this phenomenally silly, because "Love your neighbor as yourself"has existed for thousands of years before Jesus came around, and is universal among all religions and cultures around the world, likely coming from our biologically derived feelings of empathy and need for social relationships. So the only thing god added was a rather needy and pathetic "Please love me!"
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May 30, 2013, 12:13:17 PM
Satoshi is our prophet

he has brought us the light

we must follow his steps
legendary
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May 30, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
If you don't believe a thing in the book, of course you're going to think the derived ideas are terrible. I just happen to have more to go on now than the book itself.

Where did you get the other things if not from the book?

From life itself.. walking with God for a change, trusting Christ and finding him faithful every single day since, and finding this verse quite true. I wish I had time to elaborate, but that's the root of it.

So why bother with Christianity and belief in god at all, if he'll just guide you anyway? Or are you saying that you can only get life education and guidance if you believe in god?
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May 30, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
I am a believer

Oh satoshi
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May 30, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Huh. I don't love Jesus, at all, and yet I still obey many of his teachings. Does this mean
a) Jesus was wrong
b) God was wrong, and Jesus was just relaying wrong information?
c) Morals and ethics existed way before Jesus came around and started taking credit for them, and don't actually come from him?

Or, "you err, knowing not the scriptures, nor the power of God."

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Mat 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.

35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

38  this is the first and greatest commandment.

39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
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May 30, 2013, 12:04:55 PM
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legendary
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May 30, 2013, 12:02:17 PM
24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Huh. I don't love Jesus, at all, and yet I still obey many of his teachings. Does this mean
a) Jesus was wrong
b) God was wrong, and Jesus was just relaying wrong information?
c) Morals and ethics existed way before Jesus came around and started taking credit for them, and don't actually come from him?
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May 30, 2013, 11:50:15 AM
If you don't believe a thing in the book, of course you're going to think the derived ideas are terrible. I just happen to have more to go on now than the book itself.

Where did you get the other things if not from the book?

From life itself.. walking with God for a change, trusting Christ and finding him faithful every single day since, and finding this verse quite true. I wish I had time to elaborate, but that's the root of it.
legendary
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May 30, 2013, 11:40:55 AM
If you don't believe a thing in the book, of course you're going to think the derived ideas are terrible. I just happen to have more to go on now than the book itself.

Where did you get the other things if not from the book?
legendary
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May 30, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
I am deciding what to listen to and what influences my mind.  I have found I need to have a filter on at all times.

Sounds to me like you are describing that blindfold you mentioned earlier, and that you are the one trying to get others to put on the blindfold as opposed to "seeing." It's as if your frustration is that you are wearing a blindfold and asking others to put it on, but others are too interested in knowing everything in the world to listen to you.
How is selectively picking what you allow yourself to see and read supposed to be "opening your eyes and seeing?"
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May 30, 2013, 11:35:43 AM
Hah! I have said "Fuck you, holy spirit! I renounce you completely!" many times, which according to the bible is the worst sin of all

If we don't have control over what we think, & therefore your actions, how is it I can be punished for being a product of my environment?

DONT WHATEVER YOU DO, THINK ABOUT A PINK BANANA. ITS A DEADLY SIN IF YOU DO.

Opps, sorry folks, did you think about that pink banana? Off to hell with you.

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May 30, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
Not exactly. It's more like this:

You can have love without walking with God, but if you do not have love, you do not walk with God.

Just like one can believe in Christ, but not obey him. We see a lot of that. To paraphrase: "Even Satan and his demons believe, and they tremble."

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John 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them."

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?"

23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

25 "All this I have spoken while still with you.

26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

All to say, that if you don't love Christ, blaspheming the spirit is a very real but secondary problem for you.
legendary
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May 30, 2013, 11:26:20 AM
Personally, I do think that God or more precisely, the Holy Spirit (or our "conscience" as some people call Him) does speak to us and tell us what "right and wrong" is.  Where does our sense of compassion come from?  Most would say from parents or society or it has "evolved" but I believe God puts that in our hearts and speaks to us.

Hah! I have said "Fuck you, holy spirit! I renounce you completely!" many times, which according to the bible is the worst sin of all, resulting in god and holy spirit forsaking you completely, yet I still have morals and compassions, am nice to animals, and have a conscience that tells me what to do.
Checkmate Christians!
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May 30, 2013, 11:20:38 AM

*Islam, at least for the nonbelievers: Judaism +1 prophet = Christianity, +another prophet = Islam.


Just in case one thinks all religions are the same...

Let it be known that Islam is more like Judaism + 1 prophet + another prophet (who didn't prophesy) – every prophet and passage that contradicts the later revelations of said prophet + a few essential conspiracy theories to glue it together.

I have heard it from their mouths, in person. Even a widely regarded cleric said: "If not for the punishment of apostasy, Islam would have ended with Mohammed"
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May 30, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Bitcoin may be the closing thing that I have to a religion.
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May 30, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
bible says that in the last of times we will live in a world domined by just one "country" that will be the New World Order, they will use things like the micro chip in your hand or your head for use medical supply "the mark of the beast" and we will have just one wolrd wide currency.
Believe what you want.
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