Topic: Religious beliefs on bitcoin - page 3. (Read 22413 times)

Given that, some members of the highest order do a great job of alienating the Bitcoin skeptics in pursuit of that goal. 

Whenever things get bad and I turn to God, I read this; it has helped fill the void

It's fairly easy to hold on to BTC when some exchanges go offline and others get their USD withdrawals blocked 

"If you can't say anything nice..." or at least informative...

     Disbelief will not harm the Most High, it will only harm those who become attached to this world. There are those that would limit our perceptional toolset for the sake of propogating an ideology advantageous to them. Science is one system of belief- not the system of belief. How can light be both a particle and a wave? Any physicist, theist or not, will acknowledge this reality. It depends on the observer and the method of observation.

The question is simply this: Where does consciousness begin, and where does it end. Is a dog conscious? A bird, a plant? Algae, rocks, stars? You can draw a line somewhere, but my investigations simply led me to the conclusion that ultimately it is impossible to draw a conclusive line between the conscious and unconscious parts of the universe. Therefore, since I am conscious all that I can perceive must exist inside of me- it is likewise possible for all of my senses to be eliminated and for my consciousness to continue, see sensory deprivation chamber or the spirit molecule. The universe is living, and it will one day die. Far from solipsism, I speak only of unity.

    Some have suggested that the pineal gland may act as a sensory organ, or that our nervous systems have the capacity to relay information from various electromagnetic influences (solar radiation, the earths magnetic field, fields from electric currents, including those of other autonomous nervous systems, so on) and interpret and relay this information into decision making processes, aka, intuition. There are meta-perceptory mechanisms whereby blocks of super sensory information can be mined to further enhance survival chances, aka empathy. These mechanisms, while being studied by scientists, are far more difficult to map and graph than simple functions like gravitational fields, particle dynamics, resonance, and the like because they compound so many variables.

     There have been people who have achieved advanced understanding of these phenomena and they have also codified this knowledge to make it usable in the same basic tradition as the scientific method. They have been called saints, prophets, gurus, buddhas, enlightened, and so forth. Using principles of observation and study they have achieved profound insight into the nature of reality and passed the knowledge on for the benefit of all. Because science cannot yet comprehend this wisdom it is unfortunately ignored or even denied by proponents of a universal system of knowledge that excludes all other systems.

    The arrogance to think that western civilization has achieved perfect knowledge and that all of the wisdom of past centuries was foolish superstition by people who weren't smart enough to develop microscopes and x rays is kind of like a snotty 12 year old who tells his parents and grandparents the way thing really are. I say take the wisdom of the past and the wisdom of the present and consider both. Aint nobody disproved the existence of the Almighty.

    I fully understand the wish by some not to be associated with people who tell them they are going to burn for eternity because they don't believe that that white guy who is his own father got nailed to a post two thousand years ago. Atheism is not the answer- it's just a step on the way, and unfortunately an expression of the political debate in the US.

And that's how a new sect is born.

Sometimes it requires firm believer to hold on to BTC. In a sense, BTC could be a religion in a digital age.

I thought it wasn't half bad. Sounds like it would go well to a Laura Storey tune.

Protip: Your art loses value significantly when you try to control its content.

C'mon.  We all have a right to our own artistic expressions don't we?

I have heard many lyrics in my time that were more offensive.  Just saying.

You are entitled to your opinions of course.

What a joke... I'd rather cut my wrists than be exposed to any more of your "songs".

I agree that some so called "religious" people are often prideful.  But if you read the New Testament you will see that they are the kind of people that Jesus tells off (they were referred to as the Pharisees)  Jesus had no tolerance for them and because of that these "religious people" hated Him and were in fact the kind of people that ended up nailing Him to the cross.

I think today there are similar kinds of people. Many people who claim to be Christians really have no interest in really understanding other religions, even their own!  They often walk around boasting that they are right, everyone else is wrong, and they are in fact ignorant themselves.  I worry for them.  The Bible says that they will be the ones that say, "Didn't I do all these things in your name?" and then Jesus will say, "Depart from me I never knew you."  Without love they are nothing.

Sure, there are still plenty of things we have yet to discover, which we try to discover using our senses and our tools. But if there is something out there that we can never perceive with our five senses or the tools we use, then why is any of it relevant? By definition it has absolutely no effect on us, our tools, or our perceived reality. Even if we anger some supreme deity by assuming that it doesn't exist, if it can't affect us, our senses, or our tools in any way, what consequence is there to us?

But it's the religious that live in reckless pride, thinking that they "know" him, and through him all the answers can be found, or just thinking that they are better, because they don't have to know. They have smug pride in thinking that they are better than non-believers, because they know or understand something sciency non-believer types do not.


Unbelievers who are striving to know more through science and research get plenty of humility, just from the fact that they see how vast the universe is, and actually understand just how much there is out there that they don't yet understand. Unlike religion, that gives you the answer and convinces you that you already know, science exists with one giant understanding that we don't know yet, and need to test every assumption to find out more.

As for reckless striving, you can thank that for things like computers, cars, planes, etc, since the alternative used to be getting burned at the stake for being a witch.

    There are natural talents, and I think it's more relevant to try an recognize and value the innate talents in each person than to say that every kid can be gifted at culturally biased IQ tests...

     We were talking about this before... the brain is a temporally evolved organ with the purpose of helping us navigate environments that change with time. Memory helps us remember where certain roots grow, intuition helps us interpret huge quantities of data to calculate where a herd of animals might be at a certain time of year, critical thinking and problem solving helps us come up with novel solutions like more effective and easier to transport shelters and tools. There is no sense in the brain having a capacity to comprehend timelessness- it would occupy resources that can be better used for survival.

     We do have the gift of contemplating our origins though, but to experience that it's like this near death experience- there is such a thing as spiritual perception, and its only by conditioning that we are trained to blind ourselves to that reality. Which is understandable, since all of the power structures of the elite of modern society are based on a denial of whatever cannot be perceived by the five senses and the technical apparati thereof (telescopes, microscopes, geiger meters, MRI's). It stands to reason that since scientific observers are continually discovering levels of reality that we didn't know existed before, that there is a lot more to discover.

   If you are interested in seeing what it is like to perceive without using your five senses, pm me.

You didn't just skip forward? You're an ignorant twat. successful troll. Go rewatch goddammit.

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Huh? Chinese Rolexes are made in the image of legit ones (Not a lesser brand).

We have creative thought, but it is not infinite, not omniscient or even fully comprehensive of its own environment. AFHV proved that to the world.

EDIT: Where I'll concede is that we "were" made in his image, being Spirit (God) and Flesh (Son of Man). With sin our spirit is dead, we cannot have his spirit in us. If you are not born of the spirit, you cannot see God. The good news is exactly that, with faith in the atonement, his spirit is given us as a "seal" of our redemption, and it also works with us on a daily basis, sometimes in the most amazing and extravagant ways.


On the flip side, if you think you are in fact limitless, a little humility might be a good thing. If you think society would do best in a condition of unrestrained pride and reckless striving, I assure you it would be quite unlivable. Even Scientology at it's highest ranks ends with people chanting to themselves that they are the I AM - the very blaspheming pride that brought about sin in the first place. Having talked to a number of people so full of pride that they sincerely believe that they ARE god, the checks and balances of humility are in fact crucial to avoid the snares of ego-feeding control artists (religious or otherwise).

We all understand that growth and learning occur, but overstating one's ability is as destructive as understating it.

It is possible to break the stigma within the context of the Bible.

We are made in God's own image. (Not a lesser image)

Please don't call yourself dumb, and don't limit yourself in what you can achieve. That right there is the single worst thing about religion, where it convinces people that they will never understand, and makes them stop trying.

But as humans we have finite brains.  There is a limit to what we can understand.  I have heard stories of people that have had near death experiences and they say that one thing they realized is that when they were "dead" or near death they understood more then they ever thought possible but when they were alive they realized that in their "human" state they could not understand as much. 

Many humans have the capability to understand more than others too!  For example, many people, myself included, will never be able to understand physics like Einstein, music like Mozart, art like Rembrandt etc. . .  We have different levels of giftedness, and a limit to what our individual brain is able to comprehend or accomplish.  We can strive to understand more and learn but there is a limit.

This is my deepest and darkest fear, that one day some Imam, or Pope with help you understand the things in life that make absolutely no sense, and you will understand it as God.

For me life is the journey full of splendid wonder and awe, or some would define it as a spiritual quest or the path to enlightenment. There is nothing that is beyond human comprehension, IMO to give up and accept the there are things that make absolutely no sense at all is to turn your back on creation, and accept that we are lost.