Topic: Religious beliefs on bitcoin - page 5. (Read 22437 times)

I never claimed to be smart.    Many of you are much more intelligent I am sure.  Thankfully, God does not judge based on IQ or I would be in trouble.

Life is short.  Eternity is forever.  Hence why it is really important to consider life after death.

Sorry, my friend but you are so deluded that you cannot find your feet if you look down.

 I am now out of this thread because you can't fix stupid and I have no more time to waste.

Life is too short.

God does not "give" cancer.  I guess you could argue He allows it, could intervene, etc.  But He does not give it.  Read the book of Job in the Bible.  It is really insightful as to how God allows Satan to inflict sickness and suffering.

I believe that many sicknesses, cancer included, are sometimes caused by unnatural things we eat, pollution, or a predisposition due to some genetic mutations over the years, or even as Satan's ploy to keep us away from God, or to hate God.  Is God happy we are all suffering?  I don't believe so at all.  When we read what Jesus did why He was here for His short time on earth, healing the sick was one of the main miracles He performed.  So He obviously had compassion for the sick and I believe he still does.

You have to then ask, why did he allow for the possibility of sin? What was the alternative?

So why does your "God" give them the cancer in the first place?

   Refutation of consciousness by the ol' can't be loving, omnipotent and omniscient, eh? The irony is with the children's cancer ward that if you don't believe to begin with then it doesn't  make sense, and if you do it does. So you take what you want to.

    This life is both a learning experience, a test, and an opportunity. It's through suffering that we learn. For the believer, enduring suffering with patience holds great reward. As for the suffering of children, they also have their just recompense. This life is not even the tip of the iceberg.

    If there was no cold, there could be no hot. If there was no happy, there could be no sad. Existence is dual- eternity, greater than all existence, is One. You look at children suffering and question the consciousness behind reality, and ignore the millions of happy and healthy children. Without sickness, there is no health.

    If you say that there is a God and that suffering comes from somewhere else than that God then that God is not my Lord and your Lord, creator of time, creator of the galaxies and all worlds. Oh boy, here we go. Humans may cause their own suffering, but our free will is only with the permission of the Most High, in whose hand are all things(hand is metaphorical here...)

     How did I end up talking about theology on a bitcoin forum? Oh well, I also hope that bitcoin will be a force for justice and relief from the corruption of the big banks. I've been studying all the world's spiritual traditions for about 10 years and hope that some of what I have learned can be useful to someone. I think if we have more believers here it will be good for bitcoin- if people believe in bitcoin like I do then we can build up a hedge against panic selling. If I lose money, I don't care, because I am here because I believe taking of interest is immoral and want to keep my money safe, making sure that nobody is loaning it out for projects I know nothing about and may not approve of... i.e. strip clubs, housing developments that destroy forests, factories polluting water and so on. So if bitcoin crashes and I lose thousands of dollars I am doing what I believe is right and nothing is going to  make me use war and gluttony financing USD anymore than I have to.

    I think this is an angle that is missing- if we got some prominent priests, imams, and monks to endorse bitcoin it could be huge for the bitcoin ecosystem. Just think about how many votes are influenced by religious views, and ultimately spending choices are much more influential than votes.
    

My God took the "responsibility" for all of our sins when He died for us on the cross.  He did not have to do that.  

I am tired of people not giving God the credit for all He has done! He is the giver of every good and perfect gift but we just blame Him for everyone wrong in the world, when everything wrong is because of man's choices and Satan's influence.

there's order in chaos and chaos in order... atheist/theist is mainly a question of semantics.

I was a child that went through some horrific abuse.  I cried out to God when I was only 5 years old.  He said, "I am crying too."  I still did not understand why he allowed such horrible things to be done to me (it is a long story and journey but God is just and justice has been done to my abuser since he died a strange tragic death) but just knowing that God understood my pain, and that he cared for me was enough.  

If God Himself came to earth and suffered from the hands of abusive men who beat him mercilessly, and crucified Him even though He was innocent, why should I not expect to suffer on this earth too?  This life is fleeting.  We are just here for a few short breaths.  We need to have a perspective of eternity to really "get the big picture" on these things, especially when it comes to pain, sickness, and death.

So to answer your question, God is there for them if they cry out to Him.  He may not heal them of the cancer but he will give them strength and hope and help them through the suffering, I know from my own experience.

Your "God" lets it happen.

I am so sick and tired of people trying to divest their "God" of responsibility!

Makes me want to puke.

Tell that to the kids undergoing chemo, so sick they cannot eat, so sick they cannot play with the toys brought to them!

Tell that to the kids who know they are going to die and do not understand it.

Where is your God for them?

We live in a world that has been tainted by sin.  Sickness, death, suffering are not from the hands of God but are curses because of our fallen world so God is not to be blamed for those things, although He often is.  But God is here when we call out to Him and will carry us through our sufferings if we ask Him too. The problem is, we get so angry or deliberately want to believe that He is not there or does not care so we choose to ignore Him.  But He is simply a prayer away. 

I was in a children's cancer ward the other day.

Couldn't find "God" anywhere around.

The shaman in the priest outfit told me that God's Love was present though.

LOL. Wrong word obviously. Note edit. And come on, you know that just blew somebody's mind.

Your face ain't even bovvered. Nothing bovvers you. That's not a sustainable condition. God loves you too much. He'll be there when you need him

It's impossible to get into discussions of time without dredging up determinism (like the universe is a series of unaided chain reactions).

Athiests are bothered satisfied that they can't see God within those chain reactions.

In order for God to be as revealed in the Bible, time must be such that it is only one of the dimensions involved in "solving" the requirements that he places on reality (Isa 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.)

How could Jesus be present with Moses and Elijah in one distortion of time? Only if the deterministic solution to that conundrum were to define the thousands of years between them. It's that solution which is referred to when it's said something was prepared "from the beginning," as it was done knowing the end also. If we have free will at all, it's in the finer details of our own choices; Our rebellion can do nothing to disrupt his end, but he can work with us or in spite of us. One is better.

Getting really philosophical here, but how did time evolve?  I am of the mindset (as I am sure you already know from past discussions on this thread) that God created time when he put the sun, moon and planets in their perfect places relative to each other at the moment the universe was created by Him.  What is the explanation of how that just happened by chance?  What are the odds that everything could have happened so that the rotation of the earth, at the precise distance from the sun, could have just happened by some random evolutionary chance?  

Try imagining everything that is, ever was, or will be as one giant unending chain of atoms. Imagine your birth, childhood, adolescence, and eventual death as one unbroken chain of matter that connects with everything before and after it. Every molecule of water, land, and life in one unbroken chain circulating our solar system as one giant linked whole with no growth or movement. Now scale this up to a galactic or universal level. Now you have a sliver of an image of what timelessness is. If you want to learn more check out some books on time as the 4th dimension.

It's easier to claim that "it's not possible for humans to understand, period, so don't even try or question." I mean, if you wave your hand, you are moving matter, from one location, to another, over a period of time. Take time out of the equation, and there is no motion, no action, no nothing. For someone to do anything, the doing suggests that something is being done over a period of time. Maybe you can explain how something can be done without time? Even if it's not a logical explanation?

    Trying to imagine reality outside time is a good example of how human logic cannot comprehend ultimate reality. You have to step outside of intelligence to witness that truth.

The mine mine mine attitude which some toddlers have is something that I don't believe is universal. kids imitate the behavior that they see you around them. I have a two year old and I've lived with him in Germany and Colombia and I can say that definitely there was a lot more of this possessive attitude in Germany where people have more things and possessions are generally more important than they are in Colombia where people have less.

Seek and you will find. Who wrote the Bible? When was it written? Who compiled different versions of the Bible? Who has translated the Bible? Which books of the Bible were written in Aramaic and which in Greek? Which were translated from Hebrew? Who is the person who wrote more of the New Testament than any other? Were there intelligence agencies and espionage in the Roman empire? How many of the books have clearly established authorship? What is meant by the first shall be last and the last shall be first? How many interpretations are possible in each parable? What is the stone that that the builder refused? What is the fig tree who withers and dries up suddenly, never to bear fruit again? Is there an equivalent of a Pharoah today?

   Time: the new moon and full moon are synchronized worldwide. The clock is centered on GMT in England as the start of time. December means literally  "the tenth month."

     If you're going to read the Bible you have to be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove.