Topic: Religious beliefs on bitcoin - page 8. (Read 22437 times)

The father/son dynamic is crucial to sorting this stuff out in a logical manner. Of course God of the Universe couldn't wholly incarnate as a small child, but a human born without sin, walking in full obedience and with the full measure of God's spirit, could be as clear a picture of God as a human can behold, and the effects of his day to day life would profoundly shape history, before and after, IMHO. EDIT: Further, he was raised up the right hand of the throne, in eternity, which is why he could say, "before Abraham was 'I AM." EDIT2: Yes this creates a time quandary. The Bible is full of them. Either God is sufficient to solve them, or your God is not big enough.

You're going to love this. It's by sin that death entered, and by death affecting Christ who was without sin, death itself will be judged and destroyed. In the eternal, it is justified by its ends, but the injustice of it belongs to the temporal anomaly known as death.

So, take the ancient superstitious tribal practice of declaring/blaming all evils upon a goat, taking the goat outside the village, and slaughtering it ("scapegoating"), replace goat with human for a dash of human sacrifice, and tada?
Plus, Christ, being god, knew he would be put up on a cross, and knew he would be resurrected... unless he wasn't god? Actually, yeah, wait, I'm confused. He is part of the holy trinity, and knew he would be sacrificed, yet he thought god has forsaken him? Did he lose his magic god powers on the cross?
 
Also, did you just say that god has committed infinite injustice?

You have to understand what death is... In God's presence, all is sustained. Without, all is subject to death and decay. God, the absolute authority, cannot justly tolerate disobedience therefore the wages of sin is death. Christ did not sin, and yet was subject to death. He was forsaken that dark day, as far as his human frame could tell. It was an infinite injustice, yet by it we are "in" him eternally. He was made responsible for our sin, bearing the consequences so that all who are in him could be spared. The passover atonement was established as a pattern for thousands of years prior, and was absolutely necessary for anyone to be able to come before God, as we do now. He was the lamb of God, and from our angle, is all of God that we can see, God with Us.

So... why did god have to sacrifice himself to himself on a cross to forgive us? And in a way that wasn't even much of a sacrifice, since he knew he would be resurrected and come to sit with himself a few days later...

Lol quoting a bible scripture? Might as well quote beauty and the beast probably more truth to that.

3. Christians can be hypocrites and being Christian doesn't automatically make one a good personn
4. A lot of Christians are hypocrites
5. OMG A WHOLE LOT of Christians are hypocrites and just downright assholes. Especially ones in power.
6. Being a christian does apparently make you somewhat of a hypocrite, and it's possible to use christianity  as an excuse to be an asshole.

You know, a one world currency is an interpretation - it doesn't actually say it.

Most people still tend to think so, they can't understand that a 3D printer is very different from a normal printer. Talk about printing out your own stuff, are you crazy

Sorry for the long absence, but now my miner is fully functional (I am currently making the argument for tithing in bitcoins as well  )

However I see there was no counter-argument to my previous points, so oh well.

I think being a violent alcoholic would kind of make him not a Christian, although am I understand you correctly that:
1. You met a someone who claimed to be Christian
2. This person was bad
Therefore
All Christians are bad

I'm actually curious about this point, I'm not really making an argument.

Also, Rassah, you mentioned that you felt offended because God forgives people without consideration of the victim of the crime, this is because in committing a crime someone has offended 3 entities:
1. A Holy and just God
2. The victim
3. The law
One may have forgiveness from you and God, and yet still rightfully go to jail, and people may still ask for forgiveness from God, with the realization that the they have not been given forgiveness from the victim.

I bought a 3D printer over 10 years ago (yes early adopter I know it's, still an expensive brick and all) but describing it to people 10 years ago I would relate it to the Star Trek replicator. 

Im an agnostic and even I know the prophecy is communicators, replicators, tablets, teleporters, then its true.

Star Trek had teleporters before tablets. False prophecy?

We have tablets like the one in Star Trek, i suppose you now believe that Star Trek might be true?

If the prophesy comes true, and we end up with one world currency, which leads to sin, deubachery, and wars, and results in the second coming of Jesus Christ, sure, maybe. If someone said "we will use a single currency," that's not much of a prediction. Otherwise, as soon as we get 3D printers working on a molecular level, we'll have to start having religious wars between those believing in the prophesy of Star Trek, and those believing in the prophesy of Diamond Age.

Hell, Second Life came out, which has a virtual world, avatars, and other computery stuff, yet we don't believe in Snow Crash that described many things about it, despite coming out years before SecondLife.

2fer...

No joke, New Jerusalem will be so big it could smush a hypothetical borg cube without slowing down.

Cloud computing is a stretch, but think of the quantum, multi-dimensional, informational mysteries of the reality we experience, and notice there's a great deal of room for the expression of higher order systems that we can only perceive and not measure with low-order tools.

Also noteworthy that the majority of stories of both alien and demonic encounters have more in common than not, in terms of appearances, behaviours, "technologies," fear, trauma and resulting Aquarian influences. They are also vastly different from noted angelic encounters, which often start with "Do not be afraid," and lead to God.

"We don't know a fraction of a percent about anything" -Einstein


I'm rather convinced that the truth lies in between, that God was intimately aware of how His words would be twisted by time, error and greed, and He will hold some accountable, but also that the truths would prevail, and resonate with those who lean on the Holy Spirit for understanding. [edit:] The Bible even advocates assessment of the prophetic:


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Ultimately the words will accomplish what He has planned.


This may be what some Christians are trying to express, for lack of better words than "inerrant" or "infallible"

That's quite a stretch! They clearly mean plain old UFOs. 

    Angels is another word for ALIEN. Angels come from older more developed planets, closer to the center of the galaxy, and they assist us in our evolution. They are so highly evolved that we can hardly perceive them, since this material plane of existence is very crude to them. Aliens have been here all along.

    And ANGELS BROUGHT US BITCOIN!
 
    Check it out-  the Bible says when Jesus comes back not to go looking for him in the wilderness nor in the city, because "as lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one horizon to the other, so shall it be when the son of man comes"(Luke 17:24)
   So the translation couldn't have captured this at the time, but by the sky it is meant in the clouds. When there is lightning, there are always clouds. In this case we are talking about CLOUD COMPUTING! Bitcoin is in the cloud, and everytime a transaction is made the light flashes from one horizon to the other. The beauty that is bitcoin lights up the whole cloud!

  Also, Jesus also came from another planet. You know that shining bright star over Bethlehem? IT WAS A SHIP! An interstellar vehicle.

     Think about it- math is the universal language, the fundament on which all other knowledge is based. Math being the closest to the universal language means it is closest to the Almighty, the Most High. Bitcoin is the first currency based on math.


   Okay, I'm going to stop now... please note- this theory is a work in progress.

Peace

    

History just keeps repeating over and over again, the last days of the Roman Empire (or any large empire for that matter) looked similar to ours.

High centralization of power, much bureaucracy, so people have to be numbered and identified in a way.

Also about currency ("buy and sell"), if there are handouts, there cannot be any cheaters.

  The book of revelations is certainly compelling, and there is certainly a lot of clear truth and beauty in the Bible. I always come back to how it was compiled, with competing versions being destroyed and the authors killed, and one version being condoned by emperor constantine and canonized. Phrases like "Slaves, obey your masters as you would obey your Lord Jesus Christ"(Ephesians 6:5) just make me think "Well, yeah, I can see how this book was maybe compiled by the authorities of the Roman empire..." also, the coptic syrian and egyptian churches include different books in their collections of the bible, and the eastern orthodox church also includes different texts.

   Are all of the versions the complete divine truth? Do some have more divine truth than others? Do some leave some snippets out and the version compiled by the Roman Catholic church, the Church of the Western Roman empire, and the version used by almost all Christians in the US today, is that the only purely true and divinely inspired version? Rather I see a lot of political influence going into the selection of texts, which along with the questionable authorship of many of the books of the New Testament, really makes me think that there might be some passages in the Bible that should not be there.

       Of course, if you start to doubt any passage then you might start to doubt all of it, which is why I think it is so important for Christians to believe that the bible is divinely inspired and perfect in its entirety. I say rather that it is a book that contains divine wisdom but has been sullied by the hands of man, so just read it with your intuition and listen to your heart. The truth stands out clear from falsehood.

LOL, yes it is so tempting buy you nailed it in bold.

When I look, I believe the prophecy has already come true and it isn't Bitcoin. I don't want to convince anyone, so I'll LOL at myself again for contributing.

Personally, the idea that there could even be a mark on people to buy and sell would have been a somewhat strange idea at the time John wrote Revelation so that in itself is fascinating and should open our eyes a bit. But that said, with so many Biblical prophecies that have already come true, people still deny, don't want to believe, make up reasons why the Bible is not true etc. . . So I think people believe what they want to believe (or look for the evidence that supports what they already believe) and when there is a one world currency and we all have to have a mark to buy and sell no one will think it is the same thing mentioned in the Bible, or they will not care even if it does.

I know this will probably start another lengthy debate here.