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newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
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i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

Concededly, I have not really been giving out trust ratings, so I am not really that personally experienced to comment about the fairness of the situation.  But, I do see if you get in some kind of political battle on the forum, then you might attract red trust.

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.

I concede that it could take hundreds of posts to become liked in this forum, and to participate in a variety of threads.  I tend to participate in Bitcoin related threads, because that is what interests me.  Of course, since I have been on the forum for about 5 years, I have also recently (especially in the last year or so) meandered out into other aspects of the forum, including meta. 

what I am trying to say here is that it can take a decently long time to get people to know you well enough to want to merit your posts, and of course, if you get into political battles early on and receive red trust, then it might become more difficult to earn merit - except by perhaps continuing those political battles and trying to get merits based on politics rather than just participating in bitcoin (or perhaps crypto) forum topics.

This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

Merits seem to have helped with some of the spamming and farming of accounts.  I doubt that it is fair to assert that life is unfair because you happened to NOT be here in earlier days, before the merit system.  There is a kind of luck of the draw there, and yeah, there are likely a lot of high merited members who don't deserve such, but in the end, there is likely some value in trying to figure out ways to benefit yourself personally, whether that is spending less time on the forum, finding other places to spend your time or just contributing to the forum over time, and maybe in several years, you gain more and more credibility on the forum (if that is what you want to achieve?).

finding other places to spend your time or just contributing to the forum over time, and maybe in several years, you gain more and more credibility on the forum (if that is what you want to achieve?).

forget it! newbies eventually give up because of this merit system. Some resort to buying accounts.
spamming and farming of accounts. There are other ways to prevent it, like i thought the max post per week is already enough to prevent spam?
if you don't implement the merit system, buying of accounts will not even happen!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
He scammed you right? Do you think their negative feedback is appropriate?
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are you one of VINSIN alts account???
nice joke!
Of course it's appropriate, i bought from him and he scammed me.

He has not even tell us how many customers he have scammed!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!


You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust.  

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that.  

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

I just can't believe it that VINSIN gets negative feedback from DTs. Where are all his real customers giving the feedback???
This create the illusion for me that this guy maybe is being unfairly treated by DTs.

+ this forum should not be about old members anymore, look at the alexa rank for bitcoitalk alone, it's decreasing rapidly.
You can ask us to leave, it's okay. Because this forum has gained lots of traffic for the wrong reason too!
And believe me, lots of people are slowly leaving.
Mods here have to do something about the newbies who genuinely wants to grow.

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.

Are you being serious? You litterally accused VINSIN of being a scammer yesterday: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49503668

You even left him negative feedback twice. DT members tagged him for being an account seller, which is considered a highly dodgy activity.

because that's DT leaving him a negative feedback! How i know which are the real feedback?
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
▄▀ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT


I have never seen anything like this before in Reputation.

Account Deena woke up after 5 months, and from where are all these newbie accounts coming from... Roll Eyes

Dammit, I miss digaran, it seems he was the sane one...nah, just kidding  Smiley



just got started
full member
Activity: 756
Merit: 103
Does this really helps to defend Lauda? just added them to my list.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
give a good reason why my real customer feedback showing untrusted?
And your feedback showing as trusted? U did not even done any transactions with him.

or are u just defending this forum even though i have got a point?

Your attempt to buy a green account is a good enough reason to not trust anything you do or post.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104220.40 look at how many customers, with just 6 transactions, VINSIN manage to scam before me, by your so called perfect trust system?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
You can ask us to leave

Pretty please. Nobody needs this here:

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.

give a good reason why my real customer feedback showing untrusted?
And your feedback showing as trusted? you did not even done any transactions with him.

or are you just defending this forum even though i have got a point?

newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!


You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

ok, why is my real customers feedback being put on untrusted feedback?
While DTs fake feedback showing as trusted? they have not even pay money to him.

Not done any transactions and its trusted? Okay can!
I just can say this system is ripped off!

for 100 newbies, probably only 5 can rank up, even that takes years!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!


You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.

You are welcome to put in your own negative trust comment for the person who scammed you. It will show up when someone clicks on "untrusted feedback." However, anyone who is doing their due diligence when considering getting involved in a transaction with someone will check the "untrusted feedback" as well. By leaving legit trust feedback, even you, a newbie, can prevent someone else from getting scammed.

I just can't believe it that VINSIN gets negative feedback from DTs. Where are all his real customers giving the feedback???
This create the illusion for me that this guy maybe is being unfairly treated by DTs.

+ this forum should not be about old members anymore, look at the alexa rank for bitcoitalk alone, it's decreasing rapidly.
You can ask us to leave, it's okay. Because this forum has gained lots of traffic for the wrong reason too!
And believe me, lots of people are slowly leaving.
Mods here have to do something about the newbies who genuinely wants to grow.

I bought account because i think it's just really tough now for newbies to rank up.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!


You have 12 posts, gwsukabokepjepang.

You rank up based on merit, not trust. 

Of course, trust serves some kind of purpose, but in terms of merely participating in the forum and sharing bitcoin information, you don't need trust for that. 

You also don't need merit in order to participate in the sharing information aspects of the forum, but I will concede that ranking up is a kind of nice thing to show members who have both been around a while and have positively contributed to the forum (currently also as recognized by other members).

i mean think about it, if you want to detect scam, why is the one not being scammed giving the trust? Like DT giving trust?
are they being scammed? they can just anyhow give unfair feedback too!
shouldn't it be real customers?

yes, i know i need merits, but prob is also merit is now not even easy to get.
This creates a tons of newbies who in the end will give up.... Whats the point?
These DTs came in early and get the easy rewards before the rule changes.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
i believe in changing the trust system.

It's a fraud system.
This forum will decrease in ranking soon, newbies like us cant even rank up!
And there are only a small number of so called trusted people who i'm sure, they can even be trusted or not!
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
There's soo much red on this thread, avoid it..

Lauda is perfectly fine.

Not only I've talked to her , and she helped me through when I had some inconviniences, from what i've seen she keeps fórum very clean. So its a must IMO for Lauda to be on DT.

Regarding your list, I can't say much since never talked to any of them I guess. But I rather be safe than sorry.


You anecdotal experience means nothing.

I have proven lauda is a liar.
I have proven lauda is a trust abuser.
I have proven tman is a trust abuser.

You understand this is proven in black and white. It is not uncommon for a liar and untrustworthy person to help others now and then. However that makes zero difference to the fact they are proven liars and trust abusers and therefore unsuitable for DT.

All those supporting a proven liar and trust abuser are therefore untrustworthy too.

It is quite simple.
member
Activity: 222
Merit: 24
Doesn't seem quite consistent with what you're telling me. It's supposed to only be about how to remove Lauda!

Kindly fuck off. He does not have explain himself to you. This is a self moderated thread, just like other threads that are moderated on here. Try preaching free speech to your mates with moderated threads, then you'd be taken seriously.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
▄▀ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT
If discussion is exclusively for the removal of Lauda, then what of this?

wanna bet
ognasty escrow ok with you?


a stumped enemy
Doesn't seem quite consistent with what you're telling me. It's supposed to only be about how to remove Lauda!

what do you want to post here so badly?
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
▄▀ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT
If discussion is exclusively for the removal of Lauda, then what of this?

wanna bet
ognasty escrow ok with you?


a stumped enemy
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
▄▀ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT
I still don't think that an echochamber conveys your message better than well-reasoned thoughts.


chat about it all you want


It's interesting, I might say. (10 posts by 8 users with 5 merit deleted.)

Bit of confirmation bias innit.


bit of bias ya

Despite the narrative you're aiming to push it seems rather unlikely for any real progress to be made, especially since all those that have replied on the thread have a negative DefaultTrust rating.

dt rating does not matter
votes matter
nice try with misinformation

It's not misinformation that I'm spreading. You're trying to get "big players" into your plan. Most users that have earned merit aren't those that have heavy negative trust.

small votes are fine

I believe the real misinformation is pushed by those that are attempting to create a one-sided discussion.

k
we dont need anymore information
we know

If the crux of your beginnings are stemmed in censorship, then what kind of state are you pushing for the new DefaultTrust to become?

this is only one thread

Regardless of the number of threads, adding self-moderation and deleting every new reply that isn't in accordance with your beliefs is blatant censorship.

you are not signature spamming and merit whoring in my thread
you come up with a deal that removes lauda and we will talk to end the war

It just seems like an incontinent display of needless indignance: to resort to absolute control of the thread in a way as to isolate any opposition reduces perceptions to a guaranteed victory.

you are not derailing my thread

Derailing your thread? By adding in a differing opinion?

I suppose that's one way to consider it.

this thread is action

Aren't these ad-hominem attacks, these deletions of dissent, these attacks on differing opinions exactly the kind of thing that you would typically want to avoid when it comes to intelligent discussion?

not a discussion thread

Hey guys anyone can easily understand whats going on here. Its completely against the rules of bitcointalk. You guys are trying to manipulate the whole DT selection system. This subject should be discuss on Meta section & i am going to do it as a forum member.

do it

If the thread is not for discussion then why open it to replies? Perhaps a locked thread would be of more substance, aye?

only users i want in my thread

you are off topic

Then, if you offer only options of discussion to those that you permit, isn't it truly a one-way discussion? After all, if you're conversing with other members, that's a discussion by definition.

this thread is for removing lauda
keeping lauda discussion is off topic
my thread
go open a keep lauda thread

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now you are just trolling

I don't think I'm trolling. Would you like to have the moderators determine the validity of that claim? Just leave this post up.

Any discussion about not removing Lauda from DT is relevant to the removal of Lauda from DT. It's just P and (not) P.

why leave your post up?
discuss keeping lauda in your own thread
this thread is HOW TO REMOVE LAUDA
not if to keep or remove lauda
how to remove
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
We need to ensure the merit 250 threshold is met by people who are fair and just.  We need to ensure merit is given to merit worthy posts of the persons who a will be fair and use the trust system responsibly.

We need to start a union of persons that will not put up with this trust abuse.  Sensible persons need to apply for merit source and make sure merit goes to merit worthy posts of those that are proven to be fair and sensible.

Merit is the key to DT now. You can have no power in the DT system unless you have 2 persons there that have 250 earned (cycled and abused) merits apparently.

The union though must not be infiltrated by any scammers else it will destroy the credibility of it. Only those that are honest and want to see the board fair and open for all and not have it's free speech crushed by these broken and gamed systems of control.

DT is now based upon merits. The voting aspect is a sham without the 250 earn merit key positions required. We need to ensure some honest members who will not be bullied by these abusing scum meet that requirement. So review their posts for real merit worthy contributions.

All snr members plus should apply for merit source.

member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
▄▀ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT
Half the names you have on your trust list cancel most of the other half out with cross negatives of each-other.

THIS LIST IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHO TRUSTS AND DISTRUSTS LAUDA
https://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-29_Tue_08.13h/101872.html

plus those who have added this list because if they add the list then they distrust lauda so they are trusted on this list

elementary my dear timelord
you are on this list because you distrust lauda
sr. member
Activity: 938
Merit: 276
There is more to come.Some legendaries already talking.......big steps coming......


You finally made it happen that a bigger part of the older community started moving.
If you think that the DT trust list is everything which is going to happen than i have to disappoint you.

I doubt you will be able to stop it anymore.You had your chance long enough.

Theymos provided the tools we are going to use them and will pick only DT members who are really representing the community and owns their trust.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Great work let's remove these DT abusers.

I think it is time to take this to other boards also to bring more awareness soon.

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