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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

If they can able to provide KYC to reputable casino then continue if they want to gamble since with this this will never give them any issues.

But if they can't afford to do KYC then just leave it since there's nothing gonna happen and they cannot change what current implementation has been done. But in the case that they are been restricted in the casino due to some regulation happened maybe best for anyone to follow what has been implemented by the casino since bypassing or doing any forms of cheating may result to something that they don't want to encounter. So gamble with clean hands and don't cheat anything just to continue or try to take advantage on something.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

This is why we should be careful of where we pass our personal information to nowhere we do kyc verification.. we should remember that ones your data gets online, it is there and cannot be removed.. it's obvious that these people are buying peoples kyc information from the dark web and using it to sign up on casino. I can't imagine what would happen if they end up committing a big crime on that accounts and creating a problem for the real owners of the data they had used to pass through kyc. We should just avoid passing kyc unnecessarily so it don't end up getting into the wrong hands..

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Well, I believe it would be easy to catch out, knowing that it could easily be a standout and that there's a reason the people are banned. It's just how people are, and they find ways to make it work if they are forbidden.

It's complex, and maybe more behavioral tactics are needed to see the possibility of catching them again.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

This is not actually about KYC and from the article, those guys do not care about privacy but they are after profits. What I understand from the article is that they use others documents to probably create a new account in order to enjoy the welcome bonus that most of gambling platforms offer new users. I pity people that give out their documents to them for peanut amount.

The victims obviously have no idea of what might come up in the future. I see no reason for handling out your personal identification documents to anyone irrespective of what they are using it for. The meager amount offered doesn't worth the consequences ahead. I think it's high time people start learning about privacy protection.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 19, 2024, 10:20:44 PM

I think the gambling system has many loopholes. And I guess it won't really be made perfect.

The age limit, for example, something that should be implemented very strictly, can easily be surpassed by minor gamblers. A single click of the "I confirm that I'm aged 18 blah blah blah" and you're good to go.

As regards identity borrowing, there are in fact services offering KYC to those who can't pass it because of certain restrictions. It's not just available to casino users but also to exchange users and other platforms.

I think gambling system have those loopholes on purpose. If they close all of them, have strict customer service policy, force to pass KYC whenever they think gambler made a strange move or force to do it on registration stage, no one would gamble. Casinos must stay friendly or have such image. A lot of people go there only because they have heard how to cheat, heard someone won easily, heard stories of success, saw a win strategy. I think casinos close their eyes of several things and rule violations, just to make customers return.

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If there’s a will, there’s a way....that’s the gambler’s mindset. But let’s not ignore the risks here. Using someone else’s identity puts the account owner in serious danger. What if the gambler uses the account for money laundering? The registered owner could end up in big trouble for breaking the law.

This method isn’t worth it, and anyone getting paid to do this should think long and hard. The risks are massive, and the small reward isn’t worth the chance of landing in jail.

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Gamblers will found a way to keep playing gambling without we can think how they can do that. Casino can still block them by always checking all of their members and find the suspicious thing that their members doing. Maybe the casino can know by identifying the pattern that those gamblers doing so they can ask for more verification to make sure that their members are the same person with their documents. VPN can help gamblers to keep playing gambling on the same casino but if the casino strictly to that, they will know but we don't know how the casino can find the members who break their rules.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 19, 2024, 10:20:44 PM

As regards identity borrowing, there are in fact services offering KYC to those who can't pass it because of certain restrictions. It's not just available to casino users but also to exchange users and other platforms.

Yes of course, there are very many services offering Proxy KYC services, and they can be found in forums, Facebook groups and marketed on illegitimate sites. These proxy KYC is passed through borrowed identities and fake ones too. People leasing their identities for financial gains should be more aware that they are putting themselves in harms way if those that purchased their identities commit offenses.

Fake identities are frequently being detected recently and those that use them most times get their accounts blocked and funds forfeited. I also believe that reasons why most people opt for proxy KYC services is because most of them gamble from restricted countries and cannot provide their identities. There are always lots of loopholes and online casinos can only try, but people always tend to get their way most of the time.

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Yeah, this happens. In case some gamblers are curious, check Telegram in gamblers groups and you will find a lot of people trying to buy an account from popular online casinos or sports bookies up to the lowest of them.
The first time I saw this I was quite shocked that someone would really give up their accounts that were already KYC verified. Yes, we are jeopardizing our profile by doing this, and in case the account was used for money laundering then we should not be surprised if suddenly the authorities are in our doorstep knocking on our doors.
One reason that I could only surmise is the financial problem of most people so they will not even hesitate to sell it to others. Another reason is that it's a syndicate group stealing profiles and selling those accounts after creation with a different identification.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

Controlling this issue is the most challenging in online gambling. Currently, KYC cannot prevent minors from gambling. Taking some steps can help the casino ban or restrict a gambler for the good of the casino.
1. Using information from various national identity cards for KYC.
2. Completing KYC using face verification or fingerprint matching the national identity card.
3. Finger or face verification every time you log in. It must match the information used during KYC.
4. A file can be opened for gamblers of all sites or casinos. Where all the gambling information of each gambler will be there, how many shots a gambler has taken in gambling, how much money he has lost, how much he has received and how trustworthy he is. A file can be opened for inter-gamblers with this information. If a gambler is involved in a scam, all casinos or gambling sites will know that information.

Gamblers can be controlled by taking some more steps and can be banned or restricted from gambling by a person.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

It is becoming difficult to keep personal information secret. Recently, there was leak of the details of civil servants in my country. Almost all their personal and financial information they submitted to the government for employee verification were in public domain. This information can be used by anybody for KYC.

Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

If someone doesn't want to pass KYC with his personal information, then he should search for non-KYC casinos or quit gambling. Using another person's details is against the Tos of most casinos and is also a criminal offense. The casino has the right to sanction the account based on their rules.

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Casinos can’t do anything at present; these cheaters will always have the way to exploit the casinos. They have contracts that provide them fake identities and have premium proxies or VPNs to change locations. The only possible way for the casino is to do a video call verification, but I am sure many have found a way of bypassing it also. If a casino bans you, then go for others; why to run behind that old casino? I still don’t get it.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

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There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The forum here is full of scam accusations where gambling platforms have refused to pay out winnings. In 99% of cases, it turns out that someone tried to cheat the casino and, for example, played from banned countries with a VPN, used multiaccounting or carried out other practices excluded in the Terms of Use.

The casino therefore already has a very good lever: KYC and further identity checks when paying out winnings. Although it certainly costs them a lot in terms of support in such cases, it is still better than incurring penalties if they were to make payouts to blocked countries.

It would be possible to carry out the incoming identity checks during registration, but we all know how the crypto community feels about such things. This would put off a lot of customers in advance, even those who have nothing bad in mind.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

yeah, there is a thousand ways to conceal you real identity nowadays, If I am not mistaken there is some thread here in the forum that discusses about why people sell their gambling accounts. Now I know maybe some people are getting banned or they just don't want to use their real identities to play on that site. I mean the are many of possibility here.

Casino has their own rule and some casino are strict and some are dont. If we read their TOS carefully I believe its going to be fine and there is no reason casino banned us.

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There are lots of services who sell such data. The last time i saw about 10 identify packs for $1. Name, surname, birthdate, passport, some other data.
The employees from government organizations, banks, mobile operators, etc sell it for someone in darknet and anyone can buy it.
Add e-sim or virtual number and you are ready to register again and again.

If the casino has no KYC during the registration you can cheat casino this way for some time. Of course, they will ban you, but new account costs less than $1, 1 win is enough for 10-20 accounts.

But i think that it can`t become a serious problem for the owner of such data. He always can prove that his data was used by someone else.

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If it is online gambling it is difficult to stop people who have been restricted in their gambling because they will do anything to be able to gamble, unless gambling face to face with the gamblers directly and in accordance with their real identity then those who have been restricted will not be able to gamble or borrow other people's identities, but it seems impossible for casinos online to implement something like this because in addition to threatening player security, user identities are also unsafe because their faces are visible. But currently that is the only way to eradicate gamblers who cheat.

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This is a typical example of a thread where no one reads the source behind it.

And look that the article is short, eh? Four short paragraphs.

If someone had read it (apart from the OP) they would see that it's not about addicts, it's more about an organized group that the bookies have banned from playing more (which happens many times to winning bettors in sports betting) and have found a way to bypass the ban to keep making money.

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Banning a gambler now doesn’t stop them from gambling with the current system of casino. They will either use other person’s account to play, like you stated. or can use others person’s information to create an account. So banning them doesn’t stop them from gambling.
Here’s what I think could be best to do if they want to ban a gambler for life. They need to upgrade there system in a way that anyone who wants to gamble will be requested of their Face ID to log in to their account. This way they’ll know who’s behind the account. Then they can dictate a gambler who’s been ban

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

➥ First, no one can stop those people as long as gambling is done online. Even if every login session must be followed by facial verification, they can still get around it.

➥ Second, why are you asking that, are you one of the online casino owners? if not, then it is none of your business to ask that, let it be the business of the online casino owners.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

If you really understand that there is actually no Casino that wants to ban gamblers because they create sites for profit issues not as a community. But the problem is they need to make some policies regarding underage gamblers so that KYC is enforced so as not to get into trouble with the law. But what happens is the opposite, the issue of KYC identity can always be manipulated and now they are much smarter than their parents so that teenagers are involved in gambling.

Casinos will never completely ban gamblers because this is a business for them and what needs to be reviewed is how the gamblers themselves can control and parents also need to control their children so that they do not get involved in irresponsible gambling.

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