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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

~ Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

As a matter of fact vpn may not help should casino has the sophisticated software with capability to gather the digital fingerprint of the machines used by the banned customers. In this case to procceed gambling those users would have to change their devices which might be too costly for them. Should this happened with me I would probably just leave that casino l^{uckily there are many places around to gamble}.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

To combat this method of using "fake" identities, the casino can use the requirement for video identification. That is, a ban on withdrawing a deposit without completing this procedure. Although I am an opponent of KYC, I can't imagine any other ways to combat fake "identities".

Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

It is unlikely that "your identity" will be used in completely criminal schemes and in the case of a casino, a surprise may be a sudden ban of your identity on playing in a specific casino. Or on all of them? Because of a joint blacklist.

Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

There is more than one casino in the world, right? So if a gambler is not blacklisted forever, what are the problems with moving to another casino?

And gamblers don't necessarily have to steal "other people's identities" and use them in dubious schemes in casinos, because gamblers can use the accounts of friends or relatives.

I expect that in the future, one of the effective ways to ban any gambler will appear. This will be achievable only with the progress of technology, namely, with the total tokenization and digitalization of everything and everyone. With the introduction of the CBDC and the linking of specific wallets and biometrics, it will be impossible to outwit a casino with a fake identity. Transparent blockchain and AI will allow casino to immediately notice the catch.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The casinos are limited to banning IP devices and the information provided by the player because this is an online tracking system; they have no way to track players who pay people to verify or sell their account or use both IP and device. They take action based on the provided information.
But if the player continues to cheat, the casino can ban him again. Casinos are good at catching cheaters because they know there are players who cheat the system to have an advantage over the house.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

It should be obvious that if someone were to make us an offer like that, we must reject it, after all if what that person was doing was legal and they were simply a good gambler, then they could gamble at any of the thousands of casinos that exist and be done with it, if they need another identity to keep doing what they are doing, then it should be clear they are doing something illegal, and when they eventually get caught, it will be you the one to pay the consequences.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

Does this pattern not follow the same logic as them getting an account that has been verified already? Or purchasing documents to verify account? The reason I asked this is because I have seen several newbie accounts come to the forum and create thread about them having some verified account in some well known casinos so I was thinking if that’s the reason those accounts are being sold? I know a genuine person won’t just go to a site register an account submit his personal documents and then come to a forum and start selling it without being cautious of who is going to buy the account.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

Some persons get blind by rewards and profit but they don't look at the risk of what they are about to do. If casino bands their customer for a valid reason, then the person should try a different casino.

Sadly, casino can detect whether specific is banned from other casino when they submit KYC they are same game provider with all their games. Game provider usually the one who flagged user when they are using multiple account from different casino while the account connected has a violation.

You can’t experience a hassle free gambling life if your identity was already tagged as problematic gambler because you will experience the same on other casino once they are detected the connection.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

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I'm sure that most copies of documents end up on the black market not through the fault or stupidity of their owner, but because many public and private companies that deal with personal information employ people who don't care about other people's privacy, they just want money. That's why they sell user document databases at the first opportunity. I have noticed that in the last few years the number of cases of illegal use of other people's documents has increased significantly. I think these numbers will be even higher in the future.

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If your friends ask your document to verify their account on the casino, you should not give it to them because that is break the casino rules. They can blacklist your document and when you want to playing gambling on the same casino, the casino will not allow you and will detect you have multiple account. You need to protect your document and not giving that to other people because they can abuse your document easily.

Those gamblers can be restricted by the casino by ban or block their access to that casino. Even if they use VPN, casino will know and do something to them. If they use your document to pass the KYC and the casino know about that, you can get limitation from the casino and the worst thing is casino can ban you from their casino.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

Casino has their own way to detect VPN when use by players. I think the change of IP can be easily dodge through changing an ISP provider and other tweak which the casino can’t detect.

It’s impossible for an online casino to totally ban a user since there’s no way to physically verified whether a user can borrow someone identity or not. There’s a lot of people living in 3rd world country that is willing to sell their identity for money.

The responsible gambling clause is the only self defense mechanism of casino if ever an addicted user keep dodging the restrictions.

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I have seen for myself that an addicted gambler will do anything to continue gambling. Anyway the nowadays people are more addicted to online gambling so you cannot stop the urge even if you want to. Unless gamblers face gambling directly and according to their true identity. In that case they will use the identity of others and may even use the identity of their own family. Even this is impossible to implement in online casinos because there are situations where faces are visible. So it is possible to identify fraudulent gamblers by making accounts visible by identity.

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If there’s a will, there’s a way....that’s the gambler’s mindset. But let’s not ignore the risks here. Using someone else’s identity puts the account owner in serious danger. What if the gambler uses the account for money laundering? The registered owner could end up in big trouble for breaking the law.

This method isn’t worth it, and anyone getting paid to do this should think long and hard. The risks are massive, and the small reward isn’t worth the chance of landing in jail.

I wonder why someone will sale their identity to someone else, whether it's for financial gains or as a help, it doesn't make any sense, they should first wonder why the receiver wouldn't use their own identities. Gambling platforms have been tagged by many, including governments as a means of money laundering, so people who sale or give their accounts to others needs to consider the magnitude of risks that they're putting themselves into. Anything that involves your KYC is your property in the eyes of the law, if any crime is committed with it, that means that you'll be held responsible.

If people aren’t fully aware of the risks and they’re getting paid to do it, some might be tempted to sell their identity just to create online gambling accounts. This could be especially true in countries where the poverty rate is high. For $100 to $200, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone agrees to sell their documents for account verification.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

Imagine the pure amount of black market KYC documents... Every single person who gave their documents to an ICO is going to have to worry about identity theft for the rest of their lives...

Getting banned from casinos is the least damaging thing they can do with someone else's KYC.

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In fact, there will always be a way to get around the exception, especially if a gambler is addicted, which usually doesn't care, they will do anything just to be able to realize their desires and habits to gamble, you said the right thing OP that now IP exceptions can be very easy to get around and I have also done it where one of the casinos excluded me with an IP scenario but when I tried to use a VPN I could freely enter and register, but of course I don't think I would ever want to lend or give my identity to anyone else including some of my friends even if they gave me some money, it's too dangerous and the impact can be very serious, it is not uncommon for cases of identity abuse to trigger many problems.

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Quote from: Wexnident on November 20, 2024, 08:27:57 AM

It's called "illegal" because people can't stop it or that there are methods to overcome blocking provisions that security made. Personally, I have no idea where it won't be THAT invasive. If that's possible then yeah, various means become possible like making the police involved, monitoring of user actions (yeah, as I said, invasive) and stuff like that. Sadly, gambling on a casino where you're banned isn't THAT big of an offense in the grand scheme of things.

It’s definitely illegal, but since it’s not their real identity, many don’t mind as long as they can gamble. In fact, some even buy fake documents from the black market to verify their accounts at casinos. As long as the casino doesn’t require a selfie, they can get away with it easily.

However, casinos have gotten stricter with verification processes lately, and selfies have become one of the most critical requirements. This makes it harder to use stolen IDs, but some people still find workarounds by hiring someone to verify the account for them using their identity. And since money could buy anything, there are plenty of people who’d take the job if the pay is good. It’s shady business, but as long as it works for them, they’ll keep doing it.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

If all sorts of ways have been done by the casino to minimize the arrival of illegal gamblers but still make them succeed in entering, then there is no other way and just let them do it. What is clear is that the casino has imposed restrictions according to applicable provisions, regardless of the actions outside the gamblers looking for ways to still be able to escape, then that is no longer the realm of the casino.
With the note:
- The casino is not harmed by gamblers
- Gamblers who are prohibited from playing in their own way because when they do suspicious actions then they already know the risk of losing everything.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

➥ First, no one can stop those people as long as gambling is done online. Even if every login session must be followed by facial verification, they can still get around it.

➥ Second, why are you asking that, are you one of the online casino owners? if not, then it is none of your business to ask that, let it be the business of the online casino owners.

If a gambler gets ban because of not following the rules of the casino, there will still be a way for a gambler to come back to Continue with gambling activity. Gambling companies won't be too strick on their customers by following up and not allowing them to use their platform because if they should do that they will be the one to be at lose because they need people who will use their platform, they only need to regulate their platform for gamblers to make use of it in the right way.

The reason why casino ban gamblers who are not following the rules is to make them to do right thing if they have opportunities to get back to the casino again. Reason for ban is not to totally stop gamblers from using the platform again.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

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It's called "illegal" because people can't stop it or that there are methods to overcome blocking provisions that security made. Personally, I have no idea where it won't be THAT invasive. If that's possible then yeah, various means become possible like making the police involved, monitoring of user actions (yeah, as I said, invasive) and stuff like that. Sadly, gambling on a casino where you're banned isn't THAT big of an offense in the grand scheme of things.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

You have already said it. A gambler who is ban from a casino can easily resolve to us VPN but I think such gambler may still be caught if he temporally succeeds in that because he will be flagged. Some gamblers are actually dubious and tries to cheat all the time, not following the casino rules and that is why they get banned.

I don't think there is other ways apart from VPN or going through another registration with a different identify and IP, otherwise the solution is to visit and sign up with a new casino and try to follow the rules to avoid being banned again.

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What's the need of using someone else's identity for our personal needs? If one is into some illegal activity, then they might think of it. When a person copes with the terms of service from the gambling platform, there is nothing to worry about, and even if some issue arises, we can seek the support of the team and sort out the problem. Recently, one incident took place in which a gambling platform was developed, and in the name of betting, more illegal funds have been transacted from different addresses. It is not the gamblers, but the people who do illegal businesses try to borrow and use others documents. It is our responsibility to analyse and act if someone requests documents providing benefits.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting.

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

If all the gamblers and the Casinos reason as one in regards to those who are banned there is no way they would have find another means to get back to the casinos even if they use a different IP or vpn because after registration it will still fall under the requirements of documents verification and there is no method they would use to bypass such way, so if perhaps all the gamblers will be very discipline that no matter the relationship they have with such person they would never share there gambling accounts and also if people will be educated enough to see the danger or crime of selling there private data for money there is no way all this bypassing would have happened, a lot of people are suffering in prison today out of ignorant of giving somebody there identity without knowing there purpose for it.

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