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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The casino can only rely on their available tools on how they can trace their cheaters. Cheaters will always find a way, especially if they see flaws in the casino that banned them, which is why in the scam section we see casino representatives posting proofs or testimony that cheaters keep coming back because they see a flaw in the system. its important that casinos do not show how their system works to avoid cheaters studying and finding a flaw in their system.

Yeah right, there’s a lot of way to bypass casino restrictions. A cheater can simply just purchase new phone and sim card to play while KYC using friends or other family member ID that doesn’t have any idea about online casino.

Luckily, can observe players betting habits and pattern since they are doing the same strategy that will give them advantage against the casino. Usually they have method to cheat which is why they are caught and associated to an account that previously do the same strategy that result to ban.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on November 21, 2024, 03:24:44 PM

Even though his explanation seem logical, I'm not still able to understand how a player will be linked through games played in different casino even though they are games from the same provider. Does the game providers have access to the customer database of the casinos? It is really not making sense to me because I know the casinos will not release their customer database to Pragmatic Play, for instance, simply because users play their slot games in the casino. In addition, I don't think the game providers have access to the KYC data of their players rather the casinos does. Maybe he will explain further for clarity.

I was thinking that maybe they can find out depending on the pattern of gambling that the player uses, but yet it will be difficult to guess that right. They could also use IP address, but that's if the person uses the same device or maybe they have a special tools to do that. Maybe @Coin_trader can explain more.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

I don't know and feel like there is not much they can do about it, but as far as I know, casinos have their own system on recognizing patterns/activities of peple they have already banned, especialyl if they are a group of people just like the ones that was mentioned on the article. casinos collaborating with other casinos makes recognizing patterns/activities a lot easier to do.

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There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

There's a reason why casinos(and other online platforms) ask for a selfie of the user holding it's ID card. Imagine borrowing an ID card from another guy and sending a selfie with you holding this guy's ID card to the casino. Sounds ridiculous, right.
There are way more complex methods of bypassing ID verification. Some of those methods can be found on forums like Cracked and Nulled.
I wonder who would give his ID card to a random person for free. Perhaps only homeless people and addicts would do such thing.

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That is also a problem. Poor government governance of people's personal identities is something that needs to be considered, because often "criminals" use other people's personal data that they get from hacking government databases or data leak trading sites. This problem is morally detrimental to the people whose data is used because they don't know about the data and suddenly it is used either for crypto projects or registering on gambling sites.

That's right, I agree with your statement that even though we have protected our identity as best as possible, there are still other possibilities that could occur that could endanger our identity, such as leaks of public data in the government, and of course the ones who are to blame are those governments who are careless. in managing people's identity data, but for that problem I don't think there is anything we can do as a society apart from warning government officials to be more careful and more thorough in protecting people's identities in government, because it is not uncommon for such cases to occur which Many people feel at a loss when their data is misused by parties irresponsible people who ultimately cause a lot of problems in their lives.

People are really that too mindful about identity stuffs and other correlated aspects into it on which we do really prefer out on which kind of thing but we've been long time exposing ourselves about into those self information or identity related when dealing up with centralized services on which people do really just that not able to realize with. Although it cant be denied that there would really be those times or moments that you will really be thinking up with those informations that might leaked out specially on services that we do deal up online. This is why we would really be that too skeptical into this aspect and always wanting or loving on dealing up with those places on which it doesnt have any verification or having that KYC. If it turned out that KYC is being applied into something like buying up some good or whatever that correlated into it then
it will really be something which is really that too much and there would really be always those ways or loopholes on which people will really be trying out to look into and will really be that using up.

Honestly I don't understand what you are saying, it is too convoluted but without any points or solutions in it, I hope you can simplify your idea to the core point according to your point of view, my friend. Here we are discussing about the government that is not careful in maintaining the identity of its people so that there is a leak and which is misused by several irresponsible parties which ultimately harms some of its people who become victims, and there is nothing we can do as a society other than asking the government to be more careful and thorough in maintaining the personal data of each of its people.
On the other hand, I personally am always careful when I find anything that requires me to include personal documents, even though I like to gamble but at least I will first make sure whether the casino I visit has a good reputation or otherwise because if you choose one of the sites that has a bad reputation or even bad then of course it is likely that your personal data will be misused, and of course this method can reduce various unwanted possibilities such as data misuse which will ultimately face you in various problems.

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It's more like a general technological pitfall which cannot be blamed on technology either when it happens that a person can use someone's identity and wouldn't be noticed that they are just identity thieves. The best casinos can always do is the restrictions they place on an account that has violated their terms or is having some irregularities, secondly could be them restricting the IP address which the gambler can probably change device or us vpn and that is something the casino cannot control so the best the casino can and will always do is the restrictions they do tey to place.

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Quote from: Hispo on November 21, 2024, 05:35:25 PM

Perhaps that is why there is such a big underground market for people to sell and buy accounts of online casinos and sport books, I guess. There are gamblers who have been banned for whatever reason and they seek to continue to have access to the biggest and more liquid casinos within this industry, account dealers know that and since there is a demand for those accounts, the offer will eventually appear in form of supply.
I have read cases in which people are willing to go through KYC verification in order to sell such account in those underground markets, it only shows how desperate some people are for money and how big the demand for accounts is.
Even if casinos went for biometric verification, projects like Worldcoins have already showed to us people are willing to sell their biometric identity very cheaply.

We don't need to look that far; there are constantly newbies signing up here asking to purchase casino accounts; there's certainly a market for that. My question now is, are compromised accounts being sold, or do the original account owners willingly put these accounts on sale themselves? Why would you sell an account that has sensitive personal data and could possibly put you in trouble if the other person is malicious, and that's often what gets these accounts banned in the first place?

I've also seen friends share accounts or use each other's personal details, something that can also easily derail if someone ends up getting banned or face consequences if it's a centralized local casino, such as possible taxation.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 21, 2024, 06:17:45 PM

The casino can only rely on their available tools on how they can trace their cheaters. Cheaters will always find a way, especially if they see flaws in the casino that banned them, which is why in the scam section we see casino representatives posting proofs or testimony that cheaters keep coming back because they see a flaw in the system. its important that casinos do not show how their system works to avoid cheaters studying and finding a flaw in their system.

No matter how good the system implemented in a casino, there are still loopholes that can be exploited by people who are capable of committing fraud. I don't know if casinos share how their systems work or not, but most of the time I don't find that they do. Casinos will definitely cover up information about how the system works, only that people who have the ability can easily commit fraud on their site. The security system that is made is sometimes quite good and they even strengthen the security system in a more sophisticated way, but there are also times when they can be fooled by people who have the best abilities with technology.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The casino can only rely on their available tools on how they can trace their cheaters. Cheaters will always find a way, especially if they see flaws in the casino that banned them, which is why in the scam section we see casino representatives posting proofs or testimony that cheaters keep coming back because they see a flaw in the system. its important that casinos do not show how their system works to avoid cheaters studying and finding a flaw in their system.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

Simply deleting the account is the least that sites can do. In Brazil, betting sites will probably still report this to the authorities, as it is a crime....

In Brazil, the Penal Code states that anyone who commits the crime of false identity does so to obtain an illicit advantage for their own benefit or that of another person, generally to cause harm to another person or establishment. The penalty for this is moderate and varies from three months to one year, or a fine if the act does not constitute an element of a more serious crime.

From what I can see, most players who use false identities do so to get around existing blocks due to their age or the country in which they live.

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Quote from: hahay on November 21, 2024, 11:58:51 AM

As long as it is related to online gambling, then I believe it is a difficult thing about restrictions. There are so many age restrictions and also other restrictions because of violations in a gambling site and other sites. But the fact is, eventhough the site has such a ban or restriction, the fact is that many users can still access the site even though they are basically banned users or users who get restrictions to access the site. So yes, there are so many ways for any user to be able to still enter or access the site, because online sites that have access restrictions will actually be interesting for those who are looking for challenges.

Perhaps that is why there is such a big underground market for people to sell and buy accounts of online casinos and sport books, I guess. There are gamblers who have been banned for whatever reason and they seek to continue to have access to the biggest and more liquid casinos within this industry, account dealers know that and since there is a demand for those accounts, the offer will eventually appear in form of supply.
I have read cases in which people are willing to go through KYC verification in order to sell such account in those underground markets, it only shows how desperate some people are for money and how big the demand for accounts is.
Even if casinos went for biometric verification, projects like Worldcoins have already showed to us people are willing to sell their biometric identity very cheaply.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble.

Likely possible, if some people could be hacking and cheating on a gambling platform, then there is high possibility that the restricted ones too could find a means of sneaking on the platform for gambling or claiming of rewards as the case may be, but this is mostly possible if the casino is not having a high standard security measures and developers teams to ensure that loopholes like that are being blocked, this may cost them a huge amount of money to be able to set up a standard team of security experts, but its worth losing a reasonable amount to scammers for nothing.

Getting hold of gamblers who cleverly bypass KYC and IP restrictions is not simple. The internet is filled with services that could cause or break the terms of most platforms including casino. Web users are there to assist and provide all documents required to sign up into a casino that may have banned a specific player. It'll only cost the banned player money.

However, building a sophisticated team to tackle such loopholes can be helpful to the gaming platforms for a while until users or visitors find a method to boycott the regulation.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

Some persons get blind by rewards and profit but they don't look at the risk of what they are about to do. If casino bands their customer for a valid reason, then the person should try a different casino.

Sadly, casino can detect whether specific is banned from other casino when they submit KYC they are same game provider with all their games. Game provider usually the one who flagged user when they are using multiple account from different casino while the account connected has a violation.

You can’t experience a hassle free gambling life if your identity was already tagged as problematic gambler because you will experience the same on other casino once they are detected the connection.

Does this mean that game providers have access to user data stored on casino servers? There are many game providers, does this mean that they are pooled to share information about flagged users? I can't imagine how this could be the case. I can't recall ever hearing of someone being banned from one casino because they were banned from another. The idea makes no sense.

However, I wonder who would need to use a fake ID to use one casino if they could use their real ID at another casino. Enjoying the bonus isn't the good reason to buy a fake identity worth a significant amount that exceed the winning bonus (if any).

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 19, 2024, 10:53:47 PM

A gambler will definitely do anything to keep playing and regardless of all the exceptions and prohibitions that have been given by gambling sites, paying money and borrowing other people identities will always be the main way for those who want to gamble without having to use their own data.
Someone will not think twice, they will definitely give it because there is reward of money, especially for those who really need it and it will be difficult for gambling sites to really handle all problems like this, impossible about restrictions forever because there are many ways that gamblers can do.

gamblers I have a different way to manipulate when they are restricted to participate in one particular gambling platform the thing is that if it is a gambling platform that accept kyc it is the place that you can figure out your gamblers or people who patronize you but the process whereby or kYC documentation is not being done, people can manipulate the platform by having a different account that will enable them to gamble to have seen different people who have a different account in one particular gambling site so there is no way you can restrict them they will not have the chance of penetrating platform except that the system of that particular gambling platform trapped the ID address of the system they are using to access the website

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble.

Likely possible, if some people could be hacking and cheating on a gambling platform, then there is high possibility that the restricted ones too could find a means of sneaking on the platform for gambling or claiming of rewards as the case may be, but this is mostly possible if the casino is not having a high standard security measures and developers teams to ensure that loopholes like that are being blocked, this may cost them a huge amount of money to be able to set up a standard team of security experts, but its worth losing a reasonable amount to scammers for nothing.

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Some persons get blind by rewards and profit but they don't look at the risk of what they are about to do. If casino bands their customer for a valid reason, then the person should try a different casino.

Sadly, casino can detect whether specific is banned from other casino when they submit KYC they are same game provider with all their games. Game provider usually the one who flagged user when they are using multiple account from different casino while the account connected has a violation.

You can’t experience a hassle free gambling life if your identity was already tagged as problematic gambler because you will experience the same on other casino once they are detected the connection.

Wow, little did I know that that's how it works. I actually thought that if casino "A" ban a player, the player can just move on to register on another casino "B". If that's the case, that's why those ban users try to create account with someone's details or buy account other another user. I can never allow someone use my personal details to do KYC because it's risky.

Even though his explanation seem logical, I'm not still able to understand how a player will be linked through games played in different casino even though they are games from the same provider. Does the game providers have access to the customer database of the casinos? It is really not making sense to me because I know the casinos will not release their customer database to Pragmatic Play, for instance, simply because users play their slot games in the casino. In addition, I don't think the game providers have access to the KYC data of their players rather the casinos does. Maybe he will explain further for clarity.

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Wow, little did I know that that's how it works. I actually thought that if casino "A" ban a player, the player can just move on to register on another casino "B". If that's the case, that's why those ban users try to create account with someone's details or buy account other another user. I can never allow someone use my personal details to do KYC because it's risky.

If a gambler was banned and he still registered on that same casino with another identity, he might still get caught again. So there is no need to give anyone our documents to verify their false KYC.

I actually had that thought too in mind but I believe that if they use another person's details to register (which is unprincipled), they might be more conscious not to get caught again. He or she will definitely learn from their first mistake that got them banned, unless it's a foolish person.

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As long as it is related to online gambling, then I believe it is a difficult thing about restrictions. There are so many age restrictions and also other restrictions because of violations in a gambling site and other sites. But the fact is, eventhough the site has such a ban or restriction, the fact is that many users can still access the site even though they are basically banned users or users who get restrictions to access the site. So yes, there are so many ways for any user to be able to still enter or access the site, because online sites that have access restrictions will actually be interesting for those who are looking for challenges.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

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Well, casinos have the rights to ban any accounts that doesn't do according to their rules. Actually, a gambler need to keep their identity protected, and anyone who doesn't have a gamble account should not give out his personal documents to anyone for them to verify KYC just because of little penny. However, nowadays some scammers uses gamble platform to do money laundrying, so with all this, one need to be careful with his or her documents.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 21, 2024, 11:18:17 AM

Wow, little did I know that that's how it works. I actually thought that if casino "A" ban a player, the player can just move on to register on another casino "B". If that's the case, that's why those ban users try to create account with someone's details or buy account other another user. I can never allow someone use my personal details to do KYC because it's risky.

If a gambler was banned and he still registered on that same casino with another identity, he might still get caught again. So there is no need to give anyone our documents to verify their false KYC.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

If the casino administrator found a strong evidence of the lapses thar you've made there's no hesitation they'll really going to ban or restrict you for the sake of their safety. Identify breach is rampant along casino, but there's no exception for this because eventually the get caught in the long run. So always bare in mind that it's rather to follow rules instead of account got compromise.

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