Topic: Restricted gamblers found a way.... - page 8. (Read 2726 times)

I thought that the documents that you mentioned are borrowed from the owner where the owner does know or have knowledge about the documents being used. After reading more, I finally get the point where the documents are being stolen by a group of people which then they use it for KYC in a casino since they are restricted in the casino that they are gambling. If I am wrong then my que is, why wouldn't they share their documents for KYC?. There's a chance that they may use for something illegal.

For whatever reasons that is, what sort of human would give out their identity to a stranger?? I understand they could sometimes be tricked into getting tipped or payed for it but WTF? I guess it makes a whole lot of sense right now when we have people evading the KYC protocols in everything they getting registered on.

I'm afraid this is not happening anytime soon. They'll probably get the rules tighter than this... That being said, for the first line of your statement, have you thought about collusion? The day this rule is put aside is the day casinos would all run bankrupt, yahoo.

Actually it's a problem too here in my country, people think it's normal their personal information just for a few money and didn't know the consequences they might get after selling it to scammers.

Using someone else's identity is risky and unethical, not just for the gambler but also for the person lending their info, as it can lead to serious more trouble in the future. IP bans and account restrictions only go so far since VPNs and alternate devices are easy to use nowadays.

Gambler's will not also stop if they will always find a way to make money if there's a flaw in the system.

That's when they get caught when the platform asks KYC again especially if the expiration date of the passport expires. Its what Binance did to accounts they think are doing something suspicious.

But users who got away from buying accounts of submitting documents that aren't theirs are proud to have gotten away from it. People use refuse to submit KYC all the time, not sure why this time around it becomes normal already. 

If they only sell to the same nationally citizen, I think it will be hard for the casino to spot the account was changed hands.

The casino can detect difference of IP address and the account was never connect to the old IP address, but the new owner can give excuse like they've moved to new country. Any VIP account already have submitted KYC, even though the casino can request again in the future.

Too many ways the casino losses money to the hands of con players who try to maximize profits through multiple accounts. And a ban on all gamblers in this category might affect genuine players who obey the rules. So, the restricted gamblers always have a plan B of gambling under the cover of other people's ID and accounts. Which the casino may not detect easily.

Well with money a person's attitude and behavior can change, money changes everything but not for people who are able to maintain their common sense, I agree with you that something evil happens because of opportunity and not always about intention, on the other hand your words make a little sense that basically casinos will not be able to completely limit gamblers because after all only gamblers can make casinos continue to make a profit, so maybe the restrictions will not be maximized too much, like the discussion at the beginning that everything is possible for money or profit, that also applies to casinos.

Yes, those gamblers are clever to abuse the system although the casino can find them easily. We don't know which way they will use to have a new account on the casino.
And about the document, they can get the documents from people who they meet so they can use the document to register and verify in the casinos. But the casinos will not let that happens as they can check the document and will investigates the account if they think that is too suspicious for them.
The risk maybe for the gamblers because if casino found them and block them, they will lose the access to their account. But they can make another account using the other document and still playing gambling.

Even if the casino catch those gamblers, that will not stop them for doing the same thing again because they still want to get what they search for. Buying the casino account can be their ways but they should know that the casino can find them and ban them easily.
Completing the KYC will not be easy for them as the casino can know the pattern that they use before so the casino will doing prevention for those gamblers. Some of them can withdraw the money but the casino will trying to figure out if their account is a real account.
It will continue between the gamblers and the casino but the casino can prevents the same thing so they can run their business. But the gamblers will not stop what they did before as they can do that over and over.

It sounds immoral and in fact it happens everywhere because of the cases that have been revealed and money is always a medium that attracts people to do something negative or positive. Something evil is based on opportunity and maybe most of the motives for fraud occur because they have the opportunity to do it. As long as a person's morals are not formed, then never tell the truth because almost most of the fraud that occurs generally they never think about morality and victims. Back to the casino and I think there are not many ways for the casino to limit the ban on users because basically they are in business to make a profit.

I really don't think casinos have a ton of options for banning users. Eventually all the scammers end up screwing up and getting caught multi accounting and get their money confiscated.

Personally, most bonuses that users get are associated with your wagering, so I really don't find multi accounting to be that big a deal as noone is really taking advantage of much since they are wagering to get the bonuses. I would like to see casinos lose the 1 account per household rule.

Some people kill for money, it is definitely the root of all evil one says. I think killing for money would tear one’s soul apart. But you’re right the motives behind the criminal truly pain the pictures of one’s true intentions. These are con artists and they are usually highly versatile and it doesn’t surprise me that they really stop to no end and have thrown all morals out the window.

Gamblers always find a way, but for how long until the casino finally discovering it and refusing to pay the gambler for his winnings? It's not a smart move to be a cheater. If a gambler was restricted for some reason, he should just accept it and move along to a new casino where is welcome. This way he will prevent a lot of headaches, since he will be playing by the terms of the platform. Therefore, they will have no excuses to deny a withdrawal, for an example.

We have already read many stories from gamblers who complained about an unfair ban or withdrawal denial, but in the end, it was discovered they were breaking the rules through the usage of VPN, multi accounts or fake IDs. It definitely doesn't worth to act like that.

In my opinion, in such situations, the main source of problems are KYC procedures. It is the mandatory nature of these procedures that leads to individual players resorting to the services of drops (i.e. buying other people's documents).

Moreover, drops are used both in the crypto industry and in gambling. I condemn this practice, since it itself leads to big problems. One evil gives birth to another evil.

Therefore, in my opinion, you should try to avoid situations where you are required to undergo KYC procedures. You should also not use the services of drops.

You also need to protect your own documents and other personal data from theft by intruders.

As good as the online technology is, what you narrated is a disadvantage, no one actually knows the true person behind the screen, it is what they claim they are that the casino will agree to especially when they also have documents to back that up whether it's a fake or not.

I know that the behavioural pattern of a casino will go a long way in detecting them but this is limited to what the account is needed for. If it is an underage who uses a fake profile, the casino will detect nothing since it is a regular account. And if it is to cheat in collecting more bonuses, the casino will still detect nothing if the money in the former account has been lost and he is using the new account. They will find no link but see a regular player.

It would be a huge mistake if the casino ignored this, but I’m sure they’re well aware of the risks. That’s why they enforce strict KYC checks before allowing withdrawals—not just because it’s legally required but also to protect their reputation, as it prevents the platform from being misused for illegal transactions.

While they can’t catch everyone, this approach definitely reduces the chances of shady activity. So, for those gamblers who don’t like the KYC process, well, they’re probably the ones most likely to try to cheat the system! Because I see the huge benefits we can get from doing this, not just for the casino but also for us players. 

Some gamblers do it without the casino finding out, it is only few people that do not use their head when they have already been caught before that they catch again. After buying casino account and they use it under covered without revealing that they are not the owners of the information that was used to complete the kyc, It is when they want to withdraw that they make a mistake by trying to withdraw a large amount instead of withdrawing in smaller values that will not raise attention to their transactions. Nobody is going to ask you to verify your identity when you withdraw $500 to $1000 but when you withdraw amount like $5000 and above, it can get to the attention of the casino or when you withdraw multiple times in a row or in a day.

If this is harmless and poses no risk to the casino, then why do casinos always find ways or if they find out players are circumventing the rules, continue to ban them?

I think it depends, as if it is a registered casino and is strictly regulated by law enforcement. They need to be strict about this, they can't just go after small profits and may pay a heavy price if law enforcement finds out they are being lax in managing their users. Casinos also have risks and that is why they are very strict about this although it cannot be completely prevented as players will have many ways to cheat, IMO.

You mentioned that you met someone who was selling an account at a casino whose account was in the VIP category on the gambling platform. Is that right? Did he tell you himself that he was selling his account? If that gambler is getting benefits from his account at a casino, it means that the benefits he is getting from the gambling casino itself are good.

How much do you think he is selling that account for? And what benefits will the buyer who buys that account get? Is it the VIP?

You nailed it! Or maybe they stick to the same casino but use a different identity, device, and IP address. These gamblers are clever, they always have a backup plan in case something goes wrong. And these gamblers won't stop as long as there are people that are willing to supply them with the documents they need, because its just like a supply and demand thing. 

However, in terms of risk, its not on the casino because as long as the gamblers are losing, they're welcome all the time.

Although the casino can detected that, those gamblers will not stop for trying to do the same thing. Maybe they will try in the other casinos that they don't use before so they think that they will have the chance to pass the blocked.
But the casino smarter than we think because casino have a team that can check and identify those abuse that happen in their place. If they found their members sell their account to other people, they will not tolerate it and will ban the connection from that people.
It is never ending story between the casino and the gamblers so it will still continue. We don't have to be like them and it is better we use gambling for fun only.