Topic: Royse777 is Casino Critique (Read 3919 times)

You're fueling this drama yourself, while still blatantly breaking forum rules despite having been unbanned for breaking forum rules. I doubt you could be so daft that you can't see how your "help" is not helping Royse777 at all so I'm assuming you're just trying to take down anyone you can along with you.

Just go away, you're done here.

Sorry if it's off-topic. But, Topic A related to Topic B, and I am talking about B. So, It's related. You can call me a kid if you want. But, Don't you think my Argument is right? Suppose you manage Winz.io Campaign; what if they start doing shady things? I don't think Campaign managers can do much except stop the campaign.

Yobit did it in the past, and I don't think you have anything to do. So, Why is Royse in question again when is he trying to stay away from the drama and do his things? Don't you think TrollyBad doing it intentionally and trying to keep this drama continuing?

Let's say it happens. Sinbad.io project walks away with their clients money. How will it effect Royse777 reputation? As far as I can see he or she is just a campaign manager. Always making your argument against the people you do not like is not a good state of healthy mentality.

I don't think criticism is bad no matter who you are, and I doubt he is afraid. I do think you have turned into a child since you were exposed. Being pissed off for a day or 2 once things came out was to be expected but acting like a little kid because you don't like someone is just silly, not to mention extremely off topic in your replies.

The original issue of who is who has been dealt with and the thread should be locked but unless an admin steps in to lock it likely it will never happen.

I was expecting (I guess everyone else) such a comment from you Mr. Trollybad. No matter what they (whoever opposed you) do, You will find a negative side and create another drama. BTW, Are you afraid of healthy criticism?

I do not recall anybody alluding to that effect and like you I too doubt that $2000 would a tempting amount for either Royse777 or anybody else trying to rebuild their reputation to exit scam. It is highly unlikely in my opinion.

Keeping the Casino Critique and Bitlucy episodes aside, this where Royse777 deserves credit for trying to rebuild her trust and trying to do it by campaign managing.

I have no idea who and what is behind the sinbad.io project or even if it is trustworthy but Royse777 has attached her name to it therefore I hope this does not end with piles of complaints from users that sent crypto intending to be mixed but received nothing in return except losses. I am not saying it will happen, I am hoping that it does not happen both for the reputation of Royse777 and for potential customers.

In the general sense it is a risky strategy associating your name to a business if due-diligence is not applied because it can ruin the reputation and in many cases due-diligence is applied and things still can unfortunately come crashing down. Unfortunately that is how things can work sometimes.

Usually having a third party escrow provides some form of protection depending on the record and respectability of the escrow but does not guarantee anything, likewise having a set up such as the one for sinbad.io (where Royse777 is escrow as well as campaign manager) it is normal as virtually all campaign managers do the same.

When I said "logical", I wasn't being ironic. I would have done the same, so it wouldn't be filled with people calling me a scammer and the like. I think in the last signature campaign he managed or tried to manage that's what happened. I remember something like that but I can't be bothered searching for the thread.


We don't know it for a fact. I actually don't think anything bad will happen with this campaign, so I think he will simply try to rebuild his reputation.

Yeah, he should probably make it non self-moderated so that JG can continue posting in that topic with all his alt accounts  
You can always check post archive and see how many posts got deleted.

I agree he should cool off, but what about main firestarter JG and his witch hunting?
He is intentionally creating conflict and doing constant bump of all topics related with him, he calls him a scammer, and trying to make situation worse.
You can't expect someone to cool off when other guy is jumping on his head all the time.

I think he paid from his pocket to anyone who was damaged in his casino fiasco project.
I wouldn't say he is good example of bounty manager, but I hope he learned a lesson.

Is it a casino or a mixer?
Title say Sinbad Mixer, and I think I saw something about this mixer posted before in forum, I remember opening their website very slow last month.

Good point, I've edited my post.

No. I still wouldn't trust an escrow with money problems, but in this case, if the casino mixer trusts Royse777, that should be enough. Campaign participants usually join anything they can, so they don't care about it either.

Do we know for a fact that Royse777 has money problems severe enough that he'd be tempted to steal $2000?

Here is the problem, or at least how I see it. Royse777 seems to be trying to rebuild his reputation. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a whole other discussion (I personally am a big fan of second chances but not so much of 3rd/4th/etc chances). The point is, he's doing it. By engaging in an activity that he's good at as far as I know. It'd be more worrying if he tried to e.g. buy/sell small trinkets to farm trust or some shit like that. However the only real way to prove trustworthiness is to show that you don't scam when you have a chance to do so. If you use escrow or go first in a transaction you can't prove that you're trustworthy (and positive trust ratings in such situations are worse than worthless IMO). So the reality for Royse777 is that he must ask for other users to risk their money - in this case campaign earnings - and show that he is paying it out, if he wants to rebuild trust in the community.

This is not an endorsement. For all I know he could do just fine with $2000 but build up to a larger exit scam later. Just saying that this escrow set up alone is not an indication of anything nefarious.

I think livecasino.io managers also say they have funds in escrow and they personally hold them, like Royse777. So I think suchmoon is right.

The difference in their case is that they don't have money problems (at least that we know of) and both of them have to agree to move the funds.

I wouldn't call it a lie. While it would make more sense to have a different escrow in Royse777's situation, as long as the campaign participants trust him (which they probably do as evidenced by applying to the campaign) and are aware that he's the escrow I don't see this claim as false. Campaign manager acting as an escrow is quite common as you probably know

In the end most of the dynamics in the forum are related to income and money generating. There are too many people using the forum for signature campaigns for most of their income because many are from countries where the monthly average income is less than what they can receive by enrolling on a signature campaign.

Once they look at the statistics, they then start looking at whether alt-accounts are a possibility and most of them cannot be blamed for thinking like that as money is the driving force and maybe that was the issue behind naim027 and all his known alt-accounts.

None of us know about the background situation to Royse777, we have no idea what her domestic situation is like but if memory serves correct there was an allegation and possible admission that Royse777 was not the original creator of the account which if true could mean that financial motive was there from the beginning if an account was purchased. I am fairly sure those were attributed to Royse777 in the past but if I have it wrong, simply regard the comment I made.

Having said that, maybe pressures of a domestic nature or a financial stress (coming from someone living in what I think is still considered as a relatively deprived country) got the better of her. To be clear, probably tens of thousands of others that have used this forum have gone through a situation where they can earn more here in a month than they can earn working their regular job.

Obviously, that's why anyone offers to use escrow.

It claims to have "Payment escrowed", which is a lie:
I wouldn't trust anyone with money problems to act as escrow.

I got the same impression.

That's easy if you live in a country with high wages, but in many countries the average salary is less than you can earn from a Bitcointalk signature campaign.

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

[OPEN] SINBAD MIXER Signature Campaign. Up-to $75/w | Payment escrowed

I personally have nothing against him.

I suppose much of the problem we have seen is due to relying heavily on forum income. That's why he didn't have a cooling-off period after Bitlucy.

I generally recommend to anyone that they have a lot of life outside the forum, and especially that most of their income comes from non-forum sources. I suppose there are some exceptions but for 99.9% of people relying heavily on forum income is a big risk.

Thank you for the clarification. A cooling off period may well have helped because the time from one debacle ending and the other starting was too close but regardless what did not help was the secrecy surrounding the main protagonist behind Casino Critique.

As mentioned above, I think we both have the same take on this.

Maybe as you suggest if she had taken things slowly (over say six months to a year) and maybe tried to be part owner of a another project with clearer thinking, then maybe things would have been different.

I could be wrong but I think having escrow in place was part of the plan that gave the project an air of respectability or trustworthiness. Put it this way if the project had Royse777 attaching her name to it from the start how many would have taken any interest in it?

Anyway, right now, is the project really going ahead and who are the current team members? Royse777 closed the Casino Critique thread being used as an ANN here and that last message about going solely on Telegram as the thread had no use seems like a scapegoat.

I wouldn't go so far to say that any project Royse777 was associated with was doomed to fail myself. I think NotATether is correct in saying Royse should have exhibited a cooldown period. Jumping from 1 failure straight into another project and hiding multiple facts showed me that Royse was not to be trusted. No, they didn't scam and with escrows in place I don't think scamming was possible (unless an escrow was talked into scamming, which is Ludacris due to both being pretty stand-up guys in the community), but if money was collected it would have been collected under false pretenses. It just seemed to go from a boo-hoo I got scammed by this guy to moving into a new project smeared in lies and deception. With a cooler head, maybe they would have come to their senses and started fresh without the lied and deception, maybe not I don't know these days.

Yes, I did write that. No, it is not a contradiction. I wanted Royse to get some time to cool down before working on another gambling project, but he didn't take any break - it would've been better for him. That does not mean he was going to run off with investors money though - he refunded the only investment (0.005BTC) that was sent to him as soon as he announced the escrow structure was going to change.

Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems as though you contradicted yourself with a statement you made on 17th October 2022: PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

For what it is worth, I agree with you. Casino Critique did not scam anybody but just like you if I were on the verge of investing 0.04 BTC in a project, I would avoid investing in one that had Royse777 involved in it. By simply having Royse777 associated with any project would send out warning signals and alarm bells ringing to avoid it.

Wait until his fire goes out, and let's talk about that later... after witches sin was purged and cleaned by flames.