Topic: Royse777 is Casino Critique - page 2. (Read 3924 times)

Before you jump the gun too quickly, you should remember that Casino Critique did not scam anyone so it is inaccurate to say that Royse777's association with it adversely affects his reputation.

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Wearing a bitcoincleanup.com signature and avatar will not portray a multiple level compulsive liar such as AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027 and Dic3L0v3r in a good light (and those are just his known alt-accounts). Even one of the low-level trolls that is part of a tiny clique and had earlier supported him in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam threads has left a negative tag for him  

What cannot be denied is that Casino Critique took on naim027 as a team member while his account was banned, we all knew that as it was open information but only a select few were told Royse777 was behind Casino Critique therefore nobody outside that circle has the opportunity to question her about that disastrous decision.

Furthermore, Royse777 also knew that the AnotherAlt account was being operated by naim027 thus kept quiet about a ban evader. At that point the aptly named Dic3L0v3r account was known as the only alt-account naim027 operated. First the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam and then after that is this Casino Critique debacle including her dalliance with AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027 and Dic3L0v3r. The reputation of Royse777 is in tatters.

If the Casino Critique episode had not taken place I suppose I would have said to give it time and maybe she could rebuild her reputation but looking at the bigger picture now it will take a lot more and even then some of the red tags might never be revised.

I understand why you came to this conclusion because, in those screenshots, everything was almost ready to go.

I also mentioned that;


Later Royse said it was he who deleted the recruitment group. I am still working at my current place.
I had a conversation with my current employer about bitlucy job offer, but later they didn't hire me. So, I didn't leave my current job and I am still doing my previous (current) job.

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I still believe JollyFuck, AKA TrollyBag becomes a ghost hunter lately.
if you have nothing to do other than this, go and tag more 1xcraps so that you can get some joy. After all, you do it with passion.

Casino Critique was never going to succeed if it involved Royse777 and naim027 regardless of whether they presented large numbers or not. If these types of characters were involved in any project the chances of it succeeding are extremely low no matter how many large numbers they pluck out of the air when trying to seek attention or promote their ideas or when seeking investment.

The first shroud of secrecy was Royse777 hiding her involvement in the Casino Critique project. The second shroud of secrecy was when Royse777 covered up for naim027 and associated alt-accounts.

That was a fairly low-level thing to do but she probably needed support and regular back up from any user apart from the three trolls that formed a clique and gave her unnecessary widespread boost for reasons not warranted. His AnotherAlt account trolled me for a while in support of Royse777 before giving up.

For me what stood out was incompetence and gross negligence in the way she conducted herself throughout the Bitlucy scam therefore I had to give Royse777 negative trust. I 100% agree with the feedback you left her, I would also not trust Royse777 even for $0.01 deals.

I thought campaign managers were in most part generally respectful towards one another and there was not much friction between them. Just look at the manner in which yahoo62278 has conducted himself throughout this process, not one person can say he has been harsh with Royse777 on the contrary he has been exemplary and somewhat generous towards her considering the failings on part of Royse777.

I do think on several occasions Royse777 has attacked those questioning her conduct (myself and yahoo62278 were included) and with that aggressive stance and anger issues she failed to compose herself and articulate herself in a more acceptable manner. Her own conduct did herself no favours at all.

If you are familiar with Telegram group then you will understand it's a group conversation. In the group there were me, Naim, and Lucy. The temp name for the group was "Rec 2" as the short for the word "Recruiting". It was given number "2" as there were many other groups (temp groups) for individual possible applicants.

As for who to believe and who not to, I gave it up already, these days I do not care much. I am keeping myself away from all these because none of it really works. End of the day people make their own conclusions, take it as guaranteed then advise/suggest/give opinions to everyone. Everyone is a package of judge, jury, prosecutor - an entire law making agency.

My weakness that I am still looking at the interesting analogies from different members, I should not even want to correct you in the first place. It's obviously a lot for me to take and I am still working on it.

I apologize if I'm spreading misinformation, but it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who's lying these days.

My conclusion was based on the following quote:



From the conversation, you suggested to yahoo62278: "At least ask some of the users who worked with the owner.", to which naim027 (with his alt account) replied: "I guess I can help a little bit..." Additionally, the screenshots (if authentic) indicate that you offered naim027 a job and defined the salary for Bitlucy casino support staff. After being interviewed by the "Bitlucy CEO", naim027 informed you in a private conversation that he had decided to accept the position.

As far as I know, that's all the information available, so I hope you can see how I arrived at that conclusion. But hey! You should already know that I am always open to constructive criticism. If you think I made a wrong conclusion, please feel free to correct me and provide supporting evidence.

Please do not spread new kind of misinformation. naim027 never worked in Bitlucy team. He was interviewed but was not hired as at that time there were enough members in the team.

At the time of his ban from the forum on May 19th, naim027 had already been hired by Royse777 as support staff for BitLucy casino. Following the BitLucy fiasco, they continued to work together on Casino Critique project. The fact that naim027's account was banned wasn't a real problem for the CC project, since it was a known fact from the start. Although some members (including you) voiced their concerns, the issue was soon dropped and never brought up again.

yahoo62278 was accused of having it, and of having "taken away" some campaign, I think in Bitlucy's thread. What is clear is that I do not have a conflict of interest, and, on the other hand, did the other campaign managers, tag Royse777?

I think yahoo62278 was honest when tagging and wasn't trying to take advantage.


Whatever.


At a time in history when many people consider saying that boys have penises and girls have vaginas to be fascist on the level of Mussolini, using he or she I don't think is very relevant to what we are discussing.

naim027 is a member of the Casino Critique team gathered by Royse777, it is the connection between them. The problem is that at some point he was banned from the forum and there was additional doubt about the whole project (CC), and therefore about Royse777.


I noticed several of you persistently repeating yahoo62278's conflict with Royse777 as a conflict of interest and competition. I don't understand why, because those two aren't the only campaign managers here.


I think Royse777 is not "she" but he.

I think that's only part of it.

First of all, offering something for free is a good business strategy to stimulate sales. After the free chip offer, I was looking at the project and thinking whether to invest something. If I had, it would have been an amount I didn't mind losing, on the order of $100. But I didn't see the point. It is not the first time that I have been presented with a business project with big numbers, very well detailed, that in the end comes to nothing.

I guess it included those of us who initially supported the flag and/or left neutral feedback and then changed the feedback to neutral and withdrew support for the flag.
But I like to think of myself as having independence. It's not either you're with me or you're against me. Each case, taking into account the evidence presented, may lead me to one course of action or another. And for me, knowing that she had covered up for Naim027 was the straw that broke the camel's back. It made me rethink everything.

Also, there are some things that I'm becoming aware of. For example, there is supposed to be some competition between Royse777 and yahoo62278 for the management of signature campaigns.

But then I see that efialtis, who took a long time to red tag Royse777, despite saying clearly from the beginning that Bitlucy smelled like an exit scam, has a business that is the same that Casino Critique is trying to implement. Coincidence? I don't think so. And I'm not saying that for efialtis, who I think was sincere with the tag.

In my case I neither compete for signature campaing management nor will I start any business project in the forum (never say never ever but certainly not in the short or medium term).

At this moment I count 4 negative feedbacks to her, because the one from yahoo62278 even though it is neutral colored is clearly negative in my opinion.

AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027, Dic3L0v3r are known to be operated by the same puppeteer, that much has been ascertained but it seems there could be more accounts which remain unknown as of yet. Eventually he will let it slip.

As for you asking if Royse777 and naim027 are alt-accounts, that would be a huge surprise and highly unlikely scenario because they are most probably not but what cannot be denied is that naim027 was using his AnotherAlt sock-puppet account to promote the pro-Royse777 propaganda in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam accusation threads.

I don't think so.

They both got hit by the same shitstorm.

Note:

I haven't been following this thread line-by-line over the last few weeks.


Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??

Are they alts as well?  Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

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No.  None are banned with AnotherAlt online not that long ago.

How many would have any confidence in investing in anything related to Royse777 when almost zero time was given between the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam ending and Casino Critique starting up? You were right to be cautious.

The excuse provided by Royse777 for the massive cloud of secrecy surrounding the main protagonist behind Casino Critique was that two unnamed members (but heavily hinted at them being yahoo62278 and myself) would not allow the project to be given a fair chance to succeed had it be known Royse777 was behind it or involved in it. It was an excuse.

Yes of course you were right to reveal the so-called secret.

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas. First to try to get the naim027 account unbanned and second to push the Royse777/Casino Critique propaganda and whether there is any case to even conclude a 1% chance she was unaware, it cannot detract from the point that the so-called secret was something you were caught unexpectedly to receive without you making any commitment or promise.

If Royse777 is not going to blame you and several others for everything that she did wrong and everything that went wrong, who else will she blame? Did she whole-heartedly even accept her part in the Bitlucy debacle? Royse777 will not be accept responsibility for her mistakes, she had ample time to do so but opted to the contrary.

Allow me to provide some clarity, the primary reason why you were included in the small list of users that received the PM inviting you to receive freebie tokens and being instructed to keep the secret quiet. In the Royse777/Bitlucy scam and reputation threads, some of your posts could have been interpreted as being opposed to me or my views. In some of your posts you (rightly or wrongly) came across as though you were in favour of giving Royse777 a fresh start and minimising her input in the scam whereas I and several others were against it and wanted Royse777 to be fully held to account for her part in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam.

It was clear you were not trolling me as three low-level nonsense posting trolls were at the time (and they have been doing so intermittently since then) but the impression Royse777 probably got was you were against me and thus you were a staunch defender for her reputation. That is my most probable conclusion.

If a situation like that happens again, your consideration could have an impact on others including investors as well as your own reputation. It was a careless act on part of Royse777 dragging others in to her secret by forcing it in front of them in the form of a PM.

The correct format should have allowed you and others to have the right to make a choice about wanting to know a secret with a promise to not divulge it rather than receive a PM stating you have to keep a secret without you even wanting to know about it.

The problem, particularly in this case, is that when you agree to something like that and the info leaks out (which it was guaranteed to leak out because Royse777 was apparently telling about it to "many" users) you are in a position of either having to lie covering up the leak, or to break the promise of keeping the secret. And you can't really keep a secret on this forum if more than a few people know about it, what with the pervasive sockpuppeting and backstabbing culture.

Having said that, I can imagine myself getting roped into a situation like this. It's easy for me to talk about this now from the comfort of my glass house.

I agreed to withhold the mysterious, unknown person's identity (while there was a whirlwind of speculation that he was Royse777 and nobody in second place as far as possible contenders) for a number of reasons--but I'd say the main one was my own judgement of Royse777 and his credibility.  I definitely wouldn't have agreed to do that for just anyone.  There was also the structure of the funding, and escrows were in place to keep everyone honest.  In addition, even if Royse777 came up with the project idea and kicked it off, there was still a fairly large team working on Casino Critique, so I didn't see this would be in any way a golden opportunity for Royse777 to scam anyone, even if he were so inclined to do it.

Looking ahead, if a situation like that ever comes up again, I'm going to give it a lot more consideration.

And I hope he is not referring to me, for I did not break any oath.

Actually, now that some time has passed, I think that hiding who was behind Casino Critique was wrong, and there were many of us who knew it.

People like NotATether, who said:


had the right to know.

I can't stand it when statements like the above are made, because they always leave me wondering whether I'm being included in that broad set.  I didn't break any oaths, nor do I think I stabbed anyone in any part of their body.  Maybe I'm just one of those soldiers in a foxhole sniping here and there but generally just trying not to get in the war all the way.

Assume (correctly) that I'm stupid.  Did naim027 get his ban reinstated?

Wow I wasn’t visiting this board for quite some time and you know what?

It delivered.

Reading it page by page and it is worth every second I have spent here.

Oath breakers, fallen angels, back stabbers, anonymous executioners, negative trust ratings going in every direction like firing a machine gun…

This is the bitcointalk I remember.

Only Lauda is missing in this picture…somehow :/